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They did explain how the farm had electricity. When Rick came up to Herschel and Herschel mentioned the missing horse. Herschel was filling up the gas tank on a home generator, which BTW, was loud as hell and certainly not something I'd want running a lot.
I'm reasonably sure Suspicious_Pkg was making a joke out of that particular post.

Still your point about the generator being loud is noteworthy because all along it has seemed like Hershel has been relatively lackadaisical about the whole idea of "defending" his farm against zombies. He simply does not seem to be as worried about them storming the farmhouse the way you'd think most rational people might be concerned about that.

I think the revelation about his collection of zombies in the barn answers this mystery to some degree. Clearly Hershel has some relatively reliable way to herd the zombies and keep them safely contained in the barn. Maybe he has learned some way to control them which also extends to being able to maintain some safe perimeter around his house. Perhaps something along these lines will explain why he never quite seems as "worried" about the zombies as everyone else seems to be. Maybe his years as Vet has taught him how to handle various types of "animals" which gives him some insight about the zombies.


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  • I guess they figured, hey we got all these cars set up on the highway, let's shoot an extra scene; still, I'd rather they add to the source material through these flashbacks than the characters that do nothing and the sub-plots that go nowhere.
  • Kind of weird that they'd have Carol bring up Rick's leadership position when that hasn't really been established.
  • Is it just me or did they totally skip over the introduction of those two other kids and are now acting like they've been there the whole time?
  • Looks like they felt compelled to address the electricity with the scene by the generator.
  • How are you going to start reminiscing then get pissed about bringing up the past?
  • I sure as hell wouldn't be using the same arrows/bolts to hunt my food as the ones I use to kill zombies.
  • Would tying a piece of cloth around your waste on top of the arrow really help?
  • Ugh, I can see that the writers are recognizing folks are taking a liking to Daryl, but using the hallucination as an excuse to center the episode around him just feels weak; leave the dredging up of stereotypes up to the audience and just let the characters be.
  • Was that really the best way to get up that hill? Really?
  • They certainly seem to be bringing out Hershel's dickishness earlier than they did in the comic; although, just why the hell is Rick's group so eager to piss off Hershel with their inconsideration?
  • Again, didn't you just use that knife to stab a zombie, and now you're cutting open your lunch with it?
  • Glenn's advances toward Maggie seem to be running counter to his earlier and persisting sheepishness.
  • Sweet! They're finally going to give Andrea a gun and show everyone what she can do! Oh ****, really? She's not going to shoot him because she's got a scope, right? Nope of course there's glare somehow . . . So . . . stupid . . . So . . . forced.
  • And why the hell did everyone run out to kill one zombie?
  • Also, why did Glenn mention the trophy necklace and not Daryl's bloodloss?
  • The note-passing thing seems as forcibly dramatic as the outdoor pregnancy test scene.
  • Does anyone know how to play the guitar? . . . Otis did . . . WOMP-WOMP
  • A hint of Daryl totally replacing Tyreese with Carol cozying up to him?
  • Glenn's little head is going to pop from all these secrets.

Unfortunately, this show is becoming like a slow-moving trainwreck that I can't help but watch.


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Would tying a piece of cloth around your waste on top of the arrow really help?
It's "waist". "Waste" is something else entirely...

I was thinking that that was more to stabilize the arrow than anything else. Tie it around the arrow, then tie it around yourself, to keep it from moving and potentially causing more trauma, along with a modicum of tourniquet/blood soak.

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Is it just me or did they totally skip over the introduction of those two other kids and are now acting like they've been there the whole time?
They've been there, just in the background. I'm pretty sure I saw both of 'em in previous scenes/episodes.

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They certainly seem to be bringing out Hershel's dickishness earlier than they did in the comic; although, just why the hell is Rick's group so eager to piss off Hershel with their inconsideration?
I'm not sure how long they were at Herschel's in the comic. He at least made the point of him telling Rick that they weren't welcome there forever, unlike springing it on him in the comic.

Exactly what, beyond Glenn nailing Maggie is all that inconsiderate? They seem to be acting all right to me. Rick was willing to take that kid at his word that Herschel was ok with the horse and him going (though, yes, it wouldn't hurt to check with him).

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Again, didn't you just use that knife to stab a zombie, and now you're cutting open your lunch with it?
He did wash it off in the lake.

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Also, why did Glenn mention the trophy necklace and not Daryl's bloodloss?
Because you've got a pacifist host and you bring a wounded guy back with an ear necklace? Not exactly the best impression to make.



 

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It's "waist". "Waste" is something else entirely...

I was thinking that that was more to stabilize the arrow than anything else. Tie it around the arrow, then tie it around yourself, to keep it from moving and potentially causing more trauma, along with a modicum of tourniquet/blood soak.
Oops mistype.

It just doesn't make sense when there doesn't seem to be any drawback of taking the arrow out, and it doesn't look like there's any stabilization to be had when you tie it down at the same point it's going through.

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They've been there, just in the background. I'm pretty sure I saw both of 'em in previous scenes/episodes.
Did any of them have lines? And how long ago?

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I'm not sure how long they were at Herschel's in the comic. He at least made the point of him telling Rick that they weren't welcome there forever, unlike springing it on him in the comic.
In the comic it seemed like they were only there for a week or two tops. And in the comic he pretty much said the same thing, but it was Rick who assumed they could stay. However, even when they discussed it further, Rick told Hershel (no "c" BTW ) he hoped he'd reconsider after seeing how useful they could be.

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Exactly what, beyond Glenn nailing Maggie is all that inconsiderate? They seem to be acting all right to me. Rick was willing to take that kid at his word that Herschel was ok with the horse and him going (though, yes, it wouldn't hurt to check with him).
Did the kid mention the horse or just him going along? (And did they even show the kid in any of the search parties out in the woods?) It seemed like Daryl just took the horse without asking anyone. And then when they were getting ready to take care of that "zombie" out in the field, Rick mentioned Hershel wants to deal with them his own way (and when was this?) and Shane's just like, "**** that, let's go."



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He did wash it off in the lake.
And then the trophy necklace went in is mouth later! Did you see?

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Because you've got a pacifist host and you bring a wounded guy back with an ear necklace? Not exactly the best impression to make.
I'd think he'd be more concerned with the wound. But the trophy necklace was a stupid way to play up his badassery anyway.


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  • Was that really the best way to get up that hill? Really?
Daryl had a hard day even without getting shot. Climbed up and down one hill to fetch the doll then climbed another twice. But yeah I would have at least traveled upstream until the going got easier.


 

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I guess they figured, hey we got all these cars set up on the highway, let's shoot an extra scene; still, I'd rather they add to the source material through these flashbacks than the characters that do nothing and the sub-plots that go nowhere.
To be picky the flashback scene in last night's episode was on a two-lane road. The car pile-up in the previous few eps were on a stretch of four-lane Interstate somewhere. That being said I like that the story timeline is being filed in by these various flashbacks.

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Kind of weird that they'd have Carol bring up Rick's leadership position when that hasn't really been established.
I think it's pretty well established that Rick is the group's leader. They may have not taken a formal vote on the matter but it's fairly obvious from a de facto point of view.

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Is it just me or did they totally skip over the introduction of those two other kids and are now acting like they've been there the whole time?
Yeah I'll give you this one. The number of people we see as "Hershel's family" seems to change from episode to episode.

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Looks like they felt compelled to address the electricity with the scene by the generator.
I never had a compelling need to have that "mystery" answered. The assumption of some kind of generator didn't really need to be explained in this case.

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I sure as hell wouldn't be using the same arrows/bolts to hunt my food as the ones I use to kill zombies.
Would tying a piece of cloth around your waste on top of the arrow really help?
Again, didn't you just use that knife to stab a zombie, and now you're cutting open your lunch with it?
Yeah they keep playing it kind of vague as far as how much "contamination" from zombie blood can or can't make you turn into one. It'd be nice if they nailed that detail down a little more precisely, especially when it comes to things like Daryl's crossbow bolts.

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Ugh, I can see that the writers are recognizing folks are taking a liking to Daryl, but using the hallucination as an excuse to center the episode around him just feels weak; leave the dredging up of stereotypes up to the audience and just let the characters be.
The Merle hallucinations were a little cliche but they were handled well enough. At least I favored the idea of seeing Merle like that as opposed to having the show have to come up with a reasonable excuse for why Merle would have been there for real.

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They certainly seem to be bringing out Hershel's dickishness earlier than they did in the comic; although, just why the hell is Rick's group so eager to piss off Hershel with their inconsideration?
As I mentioned before it seems pretty clear that Rick and Hershel are heading towards some kind of confrontation regardless.

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Glenn's advances toward Maggie seem to be running counter to his earlier and persisting sheepishness.
Glenn's adapting to the situation and becoming more confident in himself. His character growth (and I'm not just talking about the "growth" in his pants) seems perfectly reasonable here.

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Sweet! They're finally going to give Andrea a gun and show everyone what she can do! Oh ****, really? She's not going to shoot him because she's got a scope, right? Nope of course there's glare somehow . . . So . . . stupid . . . So . . . forced.
And why the hell did everyone run out to kill one zombie?
Also, why did Glenn mention the trophy necklace and not Daryl's bloodloss?
The note-passing thing seems as forcibly dramatic as the outdoor pregnancy test scene.
Does anyone know how to play the guitar? . . . Otis did . . . WOMP-WOMP
Yeah these scenes were a little "forced" as you say.

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A hint of Daryl totally replacing Tyreese with Carol cozying up to him?
Not sure if Carol's going to totally "shack up" with Daryl but clearly she's fairly overwhelmed and grateful that he would be willing to risk his own life to look for Sophia. Her relationship with Tyreese was obviously very abusive so her reactions to Daryl seem completely reasonable given the circumstances.

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Glenn's little head is going to pop from all these secrets.
Well I'm pretty sure he's not going to keep the zombie barn a secret at all. And as far as Lori's baby goes that secret is going to out itself eventually anyway.

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Unfortunately, this show is becoming like a slow-moving trainwreck that I can't help but watch.
It definitely has plenty of rough edges, but it's still keeping me entertained which is all you can really hope from most TV shows these days.


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Not sure if Carol's going to totally "shack up" with Daryl but clearly she's fairly overwhelmed and grateful that he would be willing to risk his own life to look for Sophia. Her relationship with Tyreese was obviously very abusive so her reactions to Daryl seem completely reasonable given the circumstances.
That guy wasn't Tyreese. Tyreese is a big, black, ex-football player with a penchant for smashing zombie heads with a hammer. He shows up with his daughter and her boyfriend in the comics. Can't remember if it was before or after Herschel's, but I think it was before.

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Oops mistype.

It just doesn't make sense when there doesn't seem to be any drawback of taking the arrow out, and it doesn't look like there's any stabilization to be had when you tie it down at the same point it's going through.
Drawback to taking the arrow out is that he'll then have two gaping holes in his body. By keeping the arrow in, he's limiting the amount of potential bloodloss. It's only when it's fight-or-die that he takes it out. By stabilizing it, he's limiting it's movement within the wound. Had he more time, he could've unscrewed the head and pulled it out backwards.

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Did any of them have lines? And how long ago?
No lines, but I think they were there when Rick came running up to the house with Carl. Possibly while they were waiting for Otis/Shane to come back.

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In the comic it seemed like they were only there for a week or two tops. And in the comic he pretty much said the same thing, but it was Rick who assumed they could stay. However, even when they discussed it further, Rick told Hershel (no "c" BTW ) he hoped he'd reconsider after seeing how useful they could be.
True, but that Herschel wasn't even pretending to reconsider at any point. He made the case that there wasn't enough food for everyone, what with winter coming on. This Herschel at least made the appearance of considering Rick's plight.

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Did the kid mention the horse or just him going along? (And did they even show the kid in any of the search parties out in the woods?) It seemed like Daryl just took the horse without asking anyone. And then when they were getting ready to take care of that "zombie" out in the field, Rick mentioned Hershel wants to deal with them his own way (and when was this?) and Shane's just like, "**** that, let's go."
I believe the kid mentioned the horse.

They did not show anyone out searching beyond Darryl, Shane and Rick.

Think it was last episode or possibly the one when they first reached the farm that Herschel didn't want to kill the zombies. Rick mentioned something about him not knowing what it's like out there. Again, not 100% sure.

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And then the trophy necklace went in is mouth later! Did you see?
I think I remember him tying the knot with his teeth. Not sure.

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I'd think he'd be more concerned with the wound. But the trophy necklace was a stupid way to play up his badassery anyway.
Did they even know that he was wounded beyond Andrea's almost-headshot? Would they even have to mention it since everyone saw it happen?

They might've just assumed that the blood was from the zombies, rather than him.



 

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Its hard to try to keep the TV show aspects away from the comic. Especially when I think the comic has done a much better job up to this point.

The Positive- The adventures of super Daryl and his magic crossbow are always a high point every episode. There's something about a muscular Larry the Cable Guy type acting competent in a ZA that makes for great watching.

The 5 minute scene at the beginning (the helicopters napalming Atlanta) was worth the price of admission alone. I would pay GOOD money to watch the weeks of the actual apocalypse, and the fruitless efforts to stop it.

Shane going coo coo for cocoa puffs is getting good. I cant wait for the inevitable confrontation between Shane and Rick.



The Not so Positive - Andrea. I absolutely adore her in the comic. She's smart, strong, independent, and a valued member of team Grimes. The TV version is not so much.

Rick- Stop. Whining.

T-Dog- Where the HELL is Tyrese? I dunno what the writers were thinking when they decided not to include Tyrese in this show . T-Dog isn't remotely the character Tyrese was in the comic.

The pacing has GOT top pick up. Its soap opera slow. I needs moar zombie killing.


That being said, I enjoy the show very much and watch it first run. I can only hope it gets better.


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***COMIC SPOILER ALERT***

So the below is a quick snapshot of our friend Hershel from the comic's perspective during time spent at the farm. It shows the difference between the TV and comic as far as the people that are present in his group. Also, different areas point out how much of a religious guy he really is, Id say to the point of being fanatical, naive and idiotic all wrapped up in one. I wasnt trying to put a negative spin on his faith or religion, but people like this IRL have always bothered me. Anything good done by mankind is influenced by God while anything bad is not. If you actually believe in the basic principles of most religions...everything is actually under God's direct influence, good and bad alike (the reason for the ZA and the cure as well in this case).


"Things took a turn for the worse however one day. After Rick had discovered that he had been keeping the zombies inside of the barn, he had lambasted Hershel about the danger of doing such a thing. Hershel discovered that Rick had been killing them all, and argued using his belief about the disease and the possibility of a cure out of there somewhere that they didn't know about. All of this commotion distracted them from seeing an approaching zombie as it got closer to the property, and seconds following, lead to the barn being opened and a major attack occuring. Half of his children were bit and Hershel forced himself to use a gun to kill each of them before they reached the re-animation process. The situation grew even more hostile when he caught his daughter Maggie having sex with one of the survivors he met, Glenn. Being overly protective, he threw a fit, infuriated that she was defying both his own rules and the will of God. What she was doing was immoral, especially considering this person she engaged in sex with was a complete stranger. His attitude was rotten from this point on.

This led Hershel into a downward spiral, the worst he had been since his wife's passing. His personality turned grim and his mindset was narrowly focused on getting the survivors out of the area so as not to lose any more of his children, or even his own life. A fight ensued between everyone, as he refused to let them stay with him and his family after Carl was fully healed. This led to him calling them freeloaders, and then Lori, in a furious state, insulting him about kicking them out when they had no other place to go. All of this ultimately led the man to put a gun to Rick's head in order to show the rest of the group how serious he was and how much damage he could do.

They did end up leaving, with him keeping his children by his side. The event that had transpired earlier turned Hershel into even more of an emotional wreck, as he convinced himself that, because he was about to kill an innocent man, he must therefore be evil; not to mention a bad role model for the youngsters. He believed himself to be a corrupt indvidiual, and he was going to kill an innocent man."


And yeah I agree...I wish T Dogs chracter was replaced by the comic version of Tyreese and his folks. T Dogg is like the third wheel of a bike, I dont really see a reason for him to still be around in the show and if anyone took a vote about who should die next, Im sure he would win hands down.

With all of that, I read this online, "A popular speculation is that T-Dog may be an alternate personification as Tyreese from the comic series." In the comic, Tyreese and Carol end up together.

Cmon! Tyreese was the shite, T-Dog...not so much.


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Wait. You mean that the farm people haven't been using zombies as a food source? Wow. I totally misinterpreted the meaning of last night's final scene.
Wouldn't consuming zombie flesh cause infection?


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That guy wasn't Tyreese. Tyreese is a big, black, ex-football player with a penchant for smashing zombie heads with a hammer. He shows up with his daughter and her boyfriend in the comics. Can't remember if it was before or after Herschel's, but I think it was before.
Yeah that was my bad. I haven't read the comic this show was based on and I didn't really remember Carol's husband's name either (mostly because he was only in a few episodes and he was abusive goof anyway) so I made the quick assumption that's who was being talked about in that post. I basically didn't realize CaptainFoamerang was mixing TV and comic references there. *shrugs*


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Hershel has been relatively lackadaisical about the whole idea of "defending" his farm against zombies. He simply does not seem to be as worried about them storming the farmhouse the way you'd think most rational people might be concerned about that.
Not only zombies, but other people too. I would think any band of desperate survivors would be attracted by the sound of a running generator, and they could potentially be more dangerous than zombies. Given the lay of the land, and the lack of any other man-made sounds, it seems like the noise that generator was making might carry pretty far.


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Ok I gotta know the suspense is killing me, do they find Sophia and is she alive or zombified then have to put her down? I am asking for those who read the comic, I know we don't know in the tv show yet, but in the comic I sure would like to know if they find her or not.


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Ok I gotta know the suspense is killing me, do they find Sophia and is she alive or zombified then have to put her down? I am asking for those who read the comic, I know we don't know in the tv show yet, but in the comic I sure would like to know if they find her or not.
There was no stupid lost Sophia arc in the comics.


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There was no stupid lost Sophia arc in the comics.
I pretty much assumed there was no "Lost Sophia" arc in the comics because no one here who's read the comics has ever bothered to blab about it.

As far as my predictions go I think as a bare minimum they will find Sophia. Now she might be dead and/or zombified, but they will at least find her. I understand it might be "realistic" for them to never learn of her fate, but I really don't seeing that happening for the purposes of this show. The audience simply has too much invested in the "mystery" surrounding her disappearance not to fully resolve it one way or the other.

I figure there's even a good chance she'll still be alive, but she might be some kind of prisoner to another group of people. There really are still quite a few possibilities for her, and whatever those possibilities turn out to be will likely drive the next major arc in the story.


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I wonder if Sophia is going to have anything to do with a certain person from the comics...



 

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I wonder if Sophia is going to have anything to do with a certain person from the comics...
I think I was thinking the same thing and if I'm right about us thinking the same thing then I doubt AMC will do it, which is why I didn't say anything. The idea is just too sick for TV.


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I think I was thinking the same thing and if I'm right about us thinking the same thing then I doubt AMC will do it, which is why I didn't say anything. The idea is just too sick for TV.
I'm not talking the truly sick part of that character (the implied bit).

They've already shown child zombies, what with that girl from the first episode, so it wouldn't be too far fetched.



 

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I'm not talking the truly sick part of that character (the implied bit).

They've already shown child zombies, what with that girl from the first episode, so it wouldn't be too far fetched.
I could kind of see it, but it loses it's impact without the truly depraved aspects.


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Who knows? At the rate they're going that storyline won't come up till season 17.



 

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Who knows? At the rate they're going that storyline won't come up till season 17.
LOL True.


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I think I was thinking the same thing and if I'm right about us thinking the same thing then I doubt AMC will do it, which is why I didn't say anything. The idea is just too sick for TV.
The idea had flitted across my mind, and I rejected for the same reasons. That and the connection wouldn't be there. Now, though,... If she doesn't turn up soon, I'll start to expect it. (Which could be intentional on the part of the producers.)

The other option is they give up hunting, and her absence haunts them for a long time as a barb to poke their conscience regularly.


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The idea had flitted across my mind, and I rejected for the same reasons. That and the connection wouldn't be there. Now, though,... If she doesn't turn up soon, I'll start to expect it. (Which could be intentional on the part of the producers.)

The other option is they give up hunting, and her absence haunts them for a long time as a barb to poke their conscience regularly.
There's that, too. The preexisting relationship between the two characters just isn't there. And that relationship is a huge part of what made the whole thing so horrible.

I think at this point they know we want an answer about Sophia and I feel like not creating any closure for the audience is a bad move. Even if they don't let the characters know what happened to her, I think they need to let the viewers find out.


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Yeah I don't really mind if Sophia's dead and/or zombified. I wouldn't even really mind if her fate was particularly gruesome or depraved. And I don't even mind if the rest of the group doesn't directly find out what happened to her. I just think at a bare minimum the -audience- eventually needs to be told what happened to her.

I would find it rather odd if they just left us hanging with an unresolved big mystery that's pretty much been the main thread of this entire season of shows. We already have Merle as the "question mark" character whose fate is currently a mystery - we really don't need that to happen to yet another character.


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Yeah I don't really mind if Sophia's dead and/or zombified. I wouldn't even really mind if her fate was particularly gruesome or depraved. And I don't even mind if the rest of the group doesn't directly find out what happened to her. I just think at a bare minimum the -audience- eventually needs to be told what happened to her.

I would find it rather odd if they just left us hanging with an unresolved big mystery that's pretty much been the main thread of this entire season of shows. We already have Merle as the "question mark" character whose fate is currently a mystery - we really don't need that to happen to yet another character.
Don't forget Morgan from episode one.


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