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I'm starting to wonder if the Red Cross really is run by vampires.
You must taste pretty good to them...

It's funny but just the other day I was randomly channel-surfing and watched a couple of minutes of this show that was like one of those kid-oriented Disneyesque ripoffs of Harry Potter. In the bit I saw the kids had just discovered that the friendly neighborhood blood-mobile was secretly being run by vampires.


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A- here.


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After many, many nights of sitting around a campfire drinking and BSing me and my friends actually came up with a post-apocalypse battle plan. It's sheer elegance in its simplicity. We actually create our own small kingdom complete with raiding parties.


 

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After many, many nights of sitting around a campfire drinking and BSing me and my friends actually came up with a post-apocalypse battle plan. It's sheer elegance in its simplicity. We actually create our own small kingdom complete with raiding parties.
This is basically my own plan as well. If I ever win one of those $200-300 million lotteries, my first task is to build a defendable castle, complete with renewable energy sources and it's own, internal well system for water near a larger water source and enough arable land to support about 20 people. Train some as farmers, some as fighters, and then hope for the best.


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Our plans are remarkably alike. One of my friends owns several hundred acres even further out in the boonies than me. He has a gas well on his property and one of the stipulations in his contract is that he gets free gas for as long as the well is producing. Every appliance in his house is gas. Even his refrigerator.


 

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Also, and not many people are probably aware of this, but they usually also do further screening to determine if your blood can be given to very young children. Carl would likely have been fine, but if it was an infant, there might have been some problems there.
I was aware of that as well because I'm one of the 20% of Americans whose blood is CMV negative.


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Here's a tough question -

In a zombie apocalypse, how many of you would abandon your pets? I don't know if zombies would respond to a dog's barking, a cat meowing, etc., but a poorly trained pet could certainly give you away if their vocalizations attract zombies.

I have two cats - one is normally quite as a mouse, but the other one "talks" incessently. And whenever I put either of them in the carrier to take them to the vet, they cry pretty much non-stop. I still don't think I could abandon them, and I hope I'm never in a position to have to make that decision.


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End of the world? Sorry kitty your zombie food.


 

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End of the world? Sorry kitty, you're MY food. Nom, nom, nom.


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Kittens are bait to attract larger animals. Did you know that kittens are the favorite food of otaku and that a single otaku is fat enough to feed you for 3 weeks? During the convention season they can actually grow to be a whopping 350 lbs.


 

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It depends on the type of zombies we're dealing with.

For instance, the World War Z zombies went after dogs, but dogs were great at detecting them.

The remake of that zombie movie in the mall the zombies didn't care about the dog at all, so they'd be great for scouting missions if you could train them well enough, or for transporting goods to/from nearby buildings, as they did in that movie.

However, pets use up an enormous amount of resources (mostly food/water) that could be spent on humans. So mine would probably be a goner, despite how cute she is.



We can always domesticate some other species after the apocalypse.


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Dogs and cats can fend for themselves for the most part, unless it's the cutesy, useless type of animal. With refuse piling up after the fall of civilization mice/rat populations would sky rocket and provide dogs/cats plenty of food. My leopard gecko requires a ridiculously small amount of food/water, but the outdoor temperatures would do him in in no time. The idea of zombies actually catching dogs/cats with any efficiency or regularity strikes me as ludicrous, even at fast-zombie speeds.


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We can always domesticate some other species after the apocalypse.
Ive seen a cpl versions of "domesticated" zombies in...

1 - Shaun of the Dead
2 - The Walking Dead comic (Michonne? had zombies on leashes with their jaw bones removed if I remember correctly)

Who wants a pet zombie?


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2 - The Walking Dead comic (Michonne? had zombies on leashes with their jaw bones removed if I remember correctly)
Jaw bones and arms removed. Having them near her worked like the slathering-of-dead-bits that Rick and Glenn did.



 

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Jaw bones and arms removed. Having them near her worked like the slathering-of-dead-bits that Rick and Glenn did.

Obviously she'll be hearing from PETZ (People for the Ethical Treatment of Zombies) once things settle down. ;-)


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Dogs and cats can fend for themselves for the most part, unless it's the cutesy, useless type of animal. With refuse piling up after the fall of civilization mice/rat populations would sky rocket and provide dogs/cats plenty of food. My leopard gecko requires a ridiculously small amount of food/water, but the outdoor temperatures would do him in in no time. The idea of zombies actually catching dogs/cats with any efficiency or regularity strikes me as ludicrous, even at fast-zombie speeds.
I've watched several of those "Life after People" shows that they've had on the NatGeo/Science type channels. Basically each episode covers a different aspect of what would happen to the world months and years after a sudden disappearance of all humans from the planet. I realize that's not quite the same as a Zombie Apocalypse, but as far as most dogs and cats would go it's probably a pretty close approximation.

According to these shows the fate of most of our dog breeds would be death in a matter of a few months. Unless a dog is already pretty big and relatively close to being "wolf-like" then they are going to be goners from their inability to hunt in the wild and from predation from larger animals. So much for the tea-cup poodles of the world. Any surviving domesticated dogs would very quickly, like in a matter of just a few generations, go back towards the size and shape of wolf-like feral animals. The show assumed domestic cats would fair better in the post-human world, assuming they weren't locked up inside people's houses or whatnot.


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I've watched several of those "Life after People" shows that they've had on the NatGeo/Science type channels. Basically each episode covers a different aspect of what would happen to the world months and years after a sudden disappearance of all humans from the planet. I realize that's not quite the same as a Zombie Apocalypse, but as far as most dogs and cats would go it's probably a pretty close approximation.

According to these shows the fate of most of our dog breeds would be death in a matter of a few months. Unless a dog is already pretty big and relatively close to being "wolf-like" then they are going to be goners from their inability to hunt in the wild and from predation from larger animals. So much for the tea-cup poodles of the world. Any surviving domesticated dogs would very quickly, like in a matter of just a few generations, go back towards the size and shape of wolf-like feral animals. The show assumed domestic cats would fair better in the post-human world, assuming they weren't locked up inside people's houses or whatnot.
Im no Bill Nye the Science Guy at all, but Im not sure about the dogs dying off so quickly deal...could be though. I say that because when I was in the military, a large amount of my time was spent at Ft Hood, Texas...largest military base stateside. Some of the units I was stuck in would go out to conduct these obscenely long training exercises in the boonies, basically miles and miles of open woodlands away from civilization used for heavy weapon firing ranges etc. While back there playing soldier, we would run across packs of wild dogs that people had probably abandoned/dumped (Honey, we just got orders for Germany. Yes! What about the dogs? Dangit! We'll just "drop them off" before we go)...they were just running around and hunting dear etc. In these packs were A LOT of small dogs...I mean like Pomeranian small dogs hoofing it alongside the German Sheperd types and assorted mutts. It was really strange to see. The smaller ones could have died off quickly I suppose.

And housecats? Yeah...theyre just wild animals waiting to happen as soon as you let them out the front door. I think theyve been domesticated for a lot shorter period of time compared to dogs.


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Ok, I have a question, going back to the walker's live flesh preference... I didn't see this addressed already, so appologies if I missed it:

The walker hanging in the tree had had his legs eaten by the other zombies. This would imply that they are willing to eat dead flesh, including their own kind, unless perhaps he didn't manage to kill himself and was hanging there, slowly suffocating and they came upon him at that exact moment. So, if there is a lack of living food and the walkers begin to "starve", would they start eating each other? Can they starve to death?

Also, given how mindless they are, I would have expected them to stay theyre, trying to pull his body down forever (unless, as mentioned above, he was still alive when they found him and they wandered off when he died).


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Ok, I have a question, going back to the walker's live flesh preference... I didn't see this addressed already, so appologies if I missed it:

The walker hanging in the tree had had his legs eaten by the other zombies. This would imply that they are willing to eat dead flesh, including their own kind, unless perhaps he didn't manage to kill himself and was hanging there, slowly suffocating and they came upon him at that exact moment. So, if there is a lack of living food and the walkers begin to "starve", would they start eating each other? Can they starve to death?

Also, given how mindless they are, I would have expected them to stay theyre, trying to pull his body down forever (unless, as mentioned above, he was still alive when they found him and they wandered off when he died).
Well we do know that based on what Dr. Jenner said it could take as much as several days between a person dying and becoming a zombie. I guess it's always possible that some zombie found the dead guy hanging there during that period of time. *shrugs*

I really don't think the rules are that strict when it comes to how finicky the zombies in this show are. Sure they might avoid a body that's been dead long enough to get cold, but I figure they'd probably still tear into somebody who's "freshly" dead.

Maybe the only thing that stops them from eating something is whether or not that something is infected by the virus or not. Maybe it's just a coincidence that the zombies seem to avoid "non-live" meat because in general anything that dies is usually quickly infected by the virus. I'll bet if someone made human jerky and kept it from getting infected with the virus that your average zombie would love it.


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Most movies/novels that I've seen pretty much ignore the "starving to death" zombie issue. Pretty much all of them make the zombies out to be pretty immortal until being shot in the head or otherwise destroying the brain. This is mostly done to ensure that the story continues for the prescribed length of time.

Unless zombie-ism is a magical curse, most of the times it's some sort of virus or bacteria that is causing the state, and viruses need the same types of energy-providing materials as other cells do, and without them, they would die. So in a true zombie apocalypse, you'd have zombies starving to death quiet quickly once the initial plague outbreak passed. Basically, you could survive the zombie apocalypse as long as you had enough food, water and shelter to outlast the zombies' need to feed the virus.


I think it was in World War Z where the zombies that were created were still fairly vulnerable to heat and decay, and so started to become less of a problem over time. Some exploded due to gasses building up inside of them from decay, and such.


But "immortal" zombies make for a better story.


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Here's hoping they finally move on from the farm/traffic pileup tonight...


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Here's hoping they finally move on from the farm/traffic pileup tonight...
IDK man, besides the kid shooting, there was a major story item in the graphic novel based on the farm and not shane shooting cool, fatboy hunter types. I dont need to see that show stick to exacts, but I would like to see this one happen.


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