Real Life Superhero Arrested
Your philosophies are utterly alien and abhorrent to me.
They lack all logic and something one might call "humanity".
I just hope that one day you or your families are never in need of help, only for everyone to ignore you because it's not their problem.
Your philosophies are utterly alien and abhorrent to me.
They lack all logic and something one might call "humanity". I just hope that one day you or your families are never in need of help, only for everyone to ignore you because it's not their problem. |
I have Asperger's Syndrome. I do not, cannot, percieve the world in the same way as the average Joe. I cannot read most nonverbal cues, my fine motor skills are in the bottom third of the human race, I am prone to obsessive/addictive behavior, and my attention span is too unpredictable to measure. Because of this malfunction I was ostracized by my peers throughout my primary and secondary education. I was misdiagnosed, mismedicated, and told my problems were all in my head. I graduated high school as much because my father was a teacher and kept me pointed in the right general direction by sheer force of will as because of my own intellect.
My condition was properly diagnosed only after I was well into my 20s - over two decades too late to do any good. Most autism-spectrum therapies are targeted at preschoolers - they don't even try to help adults with the condition. Like countless others, I had fallen through the cracks before the floorboards were even laid down.
The only people who ever gave half a damn about my situation were my family, and even they hardly do more then tell me to suck it up and deal.
I sit here now as a gainfully employed human being in defiance of a society that would prefer people like me ceased to exist. It's not their problem.
By the way, nice job stomping on a whole lot of unhealed wounds with just 3 lines. That takes talent.
Been there, felt that, have half a dozen T-shirts which express my feelings on the matter in some form or other.
I have Asperger's Syndrome. I do not, cannot, percieve the world in the same way as the average Joe. I cannot read most nonverbal cues, my fine motor skills are in the bottom third of the human race, I am prone to obsessive/addictive behavior, and my attention span is too unpredictable to measure. Because of this malfunction I was ostracized by my peers throughout my primary and secondary education. I was misdiagnosed, mismedicated, and told my problems were all in my head. I graduated high school as much because my father was a teacher and kept me pointed in the right general direction by sheer force of will as because of my own intellect. My condition was properly diagnosed only after I was well into my 20s - over two decades too late to do any good. Most autism-spectrum therapies are targeted at preschoolers - they don't even try to help adults with the condition. Like countless others, I had fallen through the cracks before the floorboards were even laid down. The only people who ever gave half a damn about my situation were my family, and even they hardly do more then tell me to suck it up and deal. I sit here now as a gainfully employed human being in defiance of a society that would prefer people like me ceased to exist. It's not their problem. By the way, nice job stomping on a whole lot of unhealed wounds with just 3 lines. That takes talent. |
I've become bitter and disgusted with a human race that isn't the slightest bit as virtuous as it likes to think it is. I've lost all sympathy for people who go looking for trouble when it doesn't need an invitation. I have accepted the lessons life has taught me: if you don't look out for yourself, nobody will; if it sounds too good to be true, it is; if you stick your neck out for someone, you'll get it snapped; if you trust that someone else will come through for you, you'll be let down.
If that means I'm cheering people who beat sense into would-be "heroes", then so be it. That's just natural selection at work.
The only way humans have made it this far is working together. It's amazing that the bad guys all understand that naturally while everyone else wants to tell the good guys to stop standing up.
I just hope that one day you or your families are never in need of help, only for everyone to ignore you because it's not their problem.
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I'm gonna go over this one more time, just because I'm an optimist, and then I'm done with you. We're not talking about someone who, in the course of a day, ran across a situation in which someone happened to need help, and who then rendered said help out of the goodness of his heart. That is heroic. I have no problems with that.
What we're talking about here is a guy who dressed up in a rubber superhero costume, acquired a camera crew, and went around on "patrol", ergo, looking for trouble. This is not the act of a good Samaritan doing the Civic Thing for fellow-citizens in trouble. This is the act of either a) a delusional fantasist or b) a narcissistic publicity hound. One is pitiable, the other contemptible. In neither case is he providing a valuable service to his neighbors (except possibly by accident) - he's just as likely to make any given situation worse. And in neither case has he anyone to blame but himself if he gets roughed up, locked up, or both. He's lucky he hasn't gotten shot up.
So, to recap: I'm not down on helping people who need help - on the average Joe becoming a hero by circumstance, by being the one who finds himself in the right place at the right time. I am down on people like this guy who think they can arrange their heroic moments themselves and then put 'em on YouTube. That's only one step removed from these rogue firefighters who set fires you hear about now and then.
Cave Johnson, we're done here.
Latest word is that they are not going to try and press any charges against Phoenix. He was in court for less than 10 minutes.
My own suspicion is that the cops did this so that he would have to unmask in hopes that would dissuade him from continuing to patrol.
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!
It's interesting how you and Innovator keep invoking the "I hope you never need anyone's help" rhetoric, as though what I said had anything to do with helping people in need.
I'm gonna go over this one more time, just because I'm an optimist, and then I'm done with you. We're not talking about someone who, in the course of a day, ran across a situation in which someone happened to need help, and who then rendered said help out of the goodness of his heart. That is heroic. I have no problems with that. What we're talking about here is a guy who dressed up in a rubber superhero costume, acquired a camera crew, and went around on "patrol", ergo, looking for trouble. This is not the act of a good Samaritan doing the Civic Thing for fellow-citizens in trouble. This is the act of either a) a delusional fantasist or b) a narcissistic publicity hound. One is pitiable, the other contemptible. In neither case is he providing a valuable service to his neighbors (except possibly by accident) - he's just as likely to make any given situation worse. And in neither case has he anyone to blame but himself if he gets roughed up, locked up, or both. He's lucky he hasn't gotten shot up. So, to recap: I'm not down on helping people who need help - on the average Joe becoming a hero by circumstance, by being the one who finds himself in the right place at the right time. I am down on people like this guy who think they can arrange their heroic moments themselves and then put 'em on YouTube. That's only one step removed from these rogue firefighters who set fires you hear about now and then. Cave Johnson, we're done here. |
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but that would mean he's wrong!
To be fair. The camera crew/publicist actually looked him up and asked to follow him, not the other way around.
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There's also the fact that a good number of these Heroes/Patrollers carry video recorders or digital cameras with them to deal with the exact thing that is happening to Pheonix right now on top of being able to catch criminal activity on camera and how they deal with it.
It's a lot harder to say a nutjob started beating you up when you're on camera breaking the law and trying to assault them.
It's interesting how you and Innovator keep invoking the "I hope you never need anyone's help" rhetoric, as though what I said had anything to do with helping people in need.
I'm gonna go over this one more time, just because I'm an optimist, and then I'm done with you. We're not talking about someone who, in the course of a day, ran across a situation in which someone happened to need help, and who then rendered said help out of the goodness of his heart. That is heroic. I have no problems with that. What we're talking about here is a guy who dressed up in a rubber superhero costume, acquired a camera crew, and went around on "patrol", ergo, looking for trouble. This is not the act of a good Samaritan doing the Civic Thing for fellow-citizens in trouble. This is the act of either a) a delusional fantasist or b) a narcissistic publicity hound. One is pitiable, the other contemptible. In neither case is he providing a valuable service to his neighbors (except possibly by accident) - he's just as likely to make any given situation worse. And in neither case has he anyone to blame but himself if he gets roughed up, locked up, or both. He's lucky he hasn't gotten shot up. So, to recap: I'm not down on helping people who need help - on the average Joe becoming a hero by circumstance, by being the one who finds himself in the right place at the right time. I am down on people like this guy who think they can arrange their heroic moments themselves and then put 'em on YouTube. That's only one step removed from these rogue firefighters who set fires you hear about now and then. |
You repeatedly ignore the basic aspect that there was someone in trouble and he was there to help. It doesn't matter one bit that he was out looking for people in trouble, all that that matters is there was and he was there at the time.
As for the camera, that's just common sense. You get a record of everything that happened, footage can be used to identify criminals, license plate numbers, as well as a perfect witness to your, as well as others, actions.
...all the way through this thread no-one posted the Gutters comic?
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Absolutely what he did was illegal and wrong, us as general public should never ever try to take the law into our own hands or better yet help people, stop violence, theft or crime.
Next time when someone is getting punch or killed or ra.ped across the street don't intervene instead call 911 and hopefully that person survives their encounter unscathed. When someone breaks into your home, wait for police to arrive or pray to god there is a batman because you can't do diddly poo.
I don't care if you're wearing a superhero costume.
I don't care if you're wearing a Badge.
I don't care if you're wearing a T-Shirt and Jeans.
I don't care if you're wearing Vintage clothes and Ironic Glasses.
I don't care if you're dressed like Santa Claus.
I don't care if you're self-aggrandizing or purely selfless.
I don't care if you get paid or not.
I don't care if you're buck naked and screaming like a lunatic, waving your genitals at the people holding me down to hurt me or worse.
If you save me in that situation, I don't care who you are or what you represent. I don't care if you use a fist, a taser, or pepper spray to subdue the people hurting me. Thank you for saving me in that situation. Thank you for doing the right thing and helping someone in trouble.
Ignore the Captain_Photons. Ignore the Black Zots. Ignore the people who say it's not your business whether I'm beaten, bludgeoned, *****, or murdered. If you can save me, please do. And after that danger is passed we can figure out what to do from that point on, whether it's calling the cops or going to a hospital.
You might even get yourself a sidekick.
Save me. Even if Photon and Zot and Others want you to let them die when they're in trouble: Save Me.
Godspeed and good luck, Phoenix Jones. May your oppressors be exposed as the bumbling fools and out of touch loonies they so obviously are.
-Rachel-
I don't care if you're wearing a superhero costume.
I don't care if you're wearing a Badge. I don't care if you're wearing a T-Shirt and Jeans. I don't care if you're wearing Vintage clothes and Ironic Glasses. I don't care if you're dressed like Santa Claus. I don't care if you're self-aggrandizing or purely selfless. I don't care if you get paid or not. I don't care if you're buck naked and screaming like a lunatic, waving your genitals at the people holding me down to hurt me or worse. If you save me in that situation, I don't care who you are or what you represent. I don't care if you use a fist, a taser, or pepper spray to subdue the people hurting me. Thank you for saving me in that situation. Thank you for doing the right thing and helping someone in trouble. Ignore the Captain_Photons. Ignore the Black Zots. Ignore the people who say it's not your business whether I'm beaten, bludgeoned, *****, or murdered. If you can save me, please do. And after that danger is passed we can figure out what to do from that point on, whether it's calling the cops or going to a hospital. You might even get yourself a sidekick. Save me. Even if Photon and Zot and Others want you to let them die when they're in trouble: Save Me. Godspeed and good luck, Phoenix Jones. May your oppressors be exposed as the bumbling fools and out of touch loonies they so obviously are. -Rachel- |
This! All day long! If he is a real hero (and I think he is) he will stand before the accusations, plead his case, and accept the will of the legal system.
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Next time when someone is getting punch or killed or ra.ped across the street don't intervene instead call 911 and hopefully that person survives their encounter unscathed.
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With that in mind, the police response time was around...10, maybe 12 minutes from the 911 call to them rolling up on the scene.
Protip: it doesn't take that long for an attack to be fatal.
If I was being beaten, I sure wouldn't want to wait for the police to show up, even if my help was an untrained idiot in a mask. At the very least, he'd draw the attackers' ire for a few moments and that could be what saves my life.
Having said that...
Mr. Jones breaks the basic rule of super hero vigilantism. Spider-Man doesn't stick around for the police to bust him with the crooks. Batman gets scarce when the GPD shows up. I question his genuine desire to help people with his super heroics, because it seems like like he's an adrenaline junkie out picking fights and looking to be the center of attention and he's using the costume to justify that. Batman is right to call him a d-bag.
Reviewing the video, I would have handled the situation differently instead of pepper spraying a girl half my size and staying to further antagonize her and her associates.
For one, I would have waited until I had incontrovertible video proof that it was an actual fight before acting. His video coverage doesn't really show anything that can dispute the claims of the people he pepper sprayed that they were 'just dancing'.
After calling 911, I wouldn't have run in announcing my presence and tried to break it up in person with that many involved. That's just stupid. In this case, tossing some cheap noisemaker firecrackers near them from an alley before retreating would have startled them into stopping the fight and caused enough confusion until the police arrived. If he had smoke grenades, that would have been even better because it would disperse a crowd, attract more police attention and facilitate your retreat.
Distract and exit. That's all that needed to be done.
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I am part of My neighborhood watch task force in my suburb and I only see Phoenix Jones doing the same thing except on a much larger scale.
Our motley group of "Heroes" have stopped fights that have broken out at teens homes having underage parties (and parties of this type are now very infrequent), We patrol peoples property when we know when they are out of town, question unknown individuals if they seem suspicious and try to keep our neighborhood an overall safe environment for everyone. Are we doing anything illegal? No we are not and by doing such activities over the course of several month's ne'er do well's are being persuaded to cease illegal or harmful activities or take them somewhere else.
I have a big can of pepper spray and if warranted I'm certainly not afraid to use it. I have seen what not getting involved can do and what terrible consequences it can have. I certainly would not enter into any situation that presented a chance for me to lose my life lightly but I will not stand by while an innocent is being harmed just because I'm afraid I might be hurt.
"A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one" A hero never shies away from responsibility, always tackling what needs to be achieved head-on. He is fearless. When he dies he has no regrets and has always tried his hardest. This is how I see our Mr. Fodor. You may or may not think his actions are justified and may see him as delusional but he is at least doing something rather than standing there saying "it's not my responsibility, it's not my problem."
My two cents...
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For one, I would have waited until I had incontrovertible video proof that it was an actual fight before acting. His video coverage doesn't really show anything that can dispute the claims of the people he pepper sprayed that they were 'just dancing'..
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The people they have incontrovertible proof of assault from are the girls hitting everyone and the driver of the car that obviously clips the guy in the grey sweater.
Well the girl that ended up attacking Pheonix Jones was pissed off about something before Phoenix got there, you can here her screaming from their first positon. You also see a guy get knocked down just before Pheonix reaches them. Then after the girl attacks Jones and the other guy she goes and attacks the car which speeds off and clips someone. It sure looks like a fight.
The people they have incontrovertible proof of assault from are the girls hitting everyone and the driver of the car that obviously clips the guy in the grey sweater. |
Maybe so. He dodged it either way.
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So.. in this 'normal' world, helping others is abnormal?
So this average Joe, this person who has made a commitment to himself and the citizens of Seattle to not let crime go unpunished when he sees it, to help those in need, to do the right thing in this so wrong world, is not seen for what he is? He is a Hero.
If he get's arrested for helping others in need, a bunch of people should get arrested for the same crime.
*Steps up*
I saw a fight break out in front of where i lived. A person i knew was on the floor, two people i didn't know were beating him. One had a baseball bat, the other was hitting him with the blunt side of an axe.
My instinct kicked in, walked up to them and demanded they'd stop.
The guy with the bat came to me, pushed me, i pushed back. He took a swing for my left knee, hit it just a few inches above it. He looked surprised i didn't go down, i told him "I don't feel pain." He took a swing against the left side of my torso, i flexed my muscles and took the hit. Again he looks at me with a surprised look, "I told ya" i said.
He swings again, this time, aiming for my head. I raise my left arm to counter the attack. Motionless i stand in front him while his baffled look keeps growing. I glance over, and see that the person is back on his feet. I look back at the person in front of me, just in time to see the bat in a swinging motion heading to the right side of my head. Violently i swing my right arm against the incoming bat, breaking it. "I told ya, i don't feel pain. Now get lost!" He runs to his buddy, who is now talking to the person they both were beating up. I grab the piece that was broken off, and walk to the crowd that was gathered outside. They inform me that the cops have been called. I look over my shoulder, and see my attacker on a bike, with the broken bat, and the axe. In my mind i promise myself that i'll kick him off the bike if he makes a break for it with evidence. 15 yards away from me, he jumps off the bike, and walks toward me. I step away from the crowd, don't want them to get involved, this is about me. He threatens me, claiming he'll kill me. I do what i did prior, just look in his eyes, look for the next move he'll make to counter. I see his eyes shift, glancing across the street at something. I take my chance, lean forward, and take the weapon closest to me out of his hands. This rattles him, baffled by my brazen action, he stands motionless. I raise my arms, raise the bat "I'm right here, NOW WHAT!?" He retreats.
The guy was 6'4" about 125lbs, i was 6'1" 145lbs, but i won a fight, without throwing a punch.
But wait.. according to some people here, i should be arrested for destruction of property, i did break the bat. Oh, and theft, since i did steal the rest of the bat, right out of his hand.
So yeah, this is a confession, see if the cops will arrest me.
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So.. in this 'normal' world, helping others is abnormal?
So this average Joe, this person who has made a commitment to himself and the citizens of Seattle to not let crime go unpunished when he sees it, to help those in need, to do the right thing in this so wrong world, is not seen for what he is? He is a Hero. If he get's arrested for helping others in need, a bunch of people should get arrested for the same crime. *Steps up* I saw a fight break out in front of where i lived. A person i knew was on the floor, two people i didn't know were beating him. One had a baseball bat, the other was hitting him with the blunt side of an axe. My instinct kicked in, walked up to them and demanded they'd stop. The guy with the bat came to me, pushed me, i pushed back. He took a swing for my left knee, hit it just a few inches above it. He looked surprised i didn't go down, i told him "I don't feel pain." He took a swing against the left side of my torso, i flexed my muscles and took the hit. Again he looks at me with a surprised look, "I told ya" i said. He swings again, this time, aiming for my head. I raise my left arm to counter the attack. Motionless i stand in front him while his baffled look keeps growing. I glance over, and see that the person is back on his feet. I look back at the person in front of me, just in time to see the bat in a swinging motion heading to the right side of my head. Violently i swing my right arm against the incoming bat, breaking it. "I told ya, i don't feel pain. Now get lost!" He runs to his buddy, who is now talking to the person they both were beating up. I grab the piece that was broken off, and walk to the crowd that was gathered outside. They inform me that the cops have been called. I look over my shoulder, and see my attacker on a bike, with the broken bat, and the axe. In my mind i promise myself that i'll kick him off the bike if he makes a break for it with evidence. 15 yards away from me, he jumps off the bike, and walks toward me. I step away from the crowd, don't want them to get involved, this is about me. He threatens me, claiming he'll kill me. I do what i did prior, just look in his eyes, look for the next move he'll make to counter. I see his eyes shift, glancing across the street at something. I take my chance, lean forward, and take the weapon closest to me out of his hands. This rattles him, baffled by my brazen action, he stands motionless. I raise my arms, raise the bat "I'm right here, NOW WHAT!?" He retreats. The guy was 6'4" about 125lbs, i was 6'1" 145lbs, but i won a fight, without throwing a punch. But wait.. according to some people here, i should be arrested for destruction of property, i did break the bat. Oh, and theft, since i did steal the rest of the bat, right out of his hand. So yeah, this is a confession, see if the cops will arrest me. |
I've been thinking. Those of you who think that somebody who isn't a cop but steps in and breaks up a fight that is none of his business should be arrested. Do you feel the same way about bouncers? Start a fight in a club and they will break it up and toss you out.
Since I know you are about to use the "That's different, it's private property." argument I'll head you off. Start a fight in the street in front of a club and the bouncers there will still break it up even though you are on public property. Fights out front aren't good for business. So should the bouncers be arrested and shamed for breaking up fights that are none of their business and using physical force against somebody who didn't attack them first?
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!
Doesn't matter if you're expecting one person to intervene or a hundred, you're still asking them to go against one of the animal kingdom's most basic and powerful instincts: self-preservation. You know why it's one of the most basic and powerful? Because creatures without it tend not to survive to pass on their DNA to the next generation.
You can't expect people to go directly against hundreds of millions of years' worth of biological programming en masse. It simply won't happen. Ever.
Which brings us back to the lone nutcase who thinks he knows better than the folks trained and equipped to handle these situations. You want to be that nutcase? I won't shed any tears when the inevitable happens and your family is mourning your loss.