Real Life Superhero Arrested
Storming into the middle of a group of people (costume or not) and telling them what to do, then breaking out the pepper spray when they refuse to comply, is something only a police officer in uniform has the authority to do. Anyone else is committing an assault. Period.
This guy had no business sticking his nose in there, no business dragging his camera-toting buddy down with him, and no business claiming self-defence when he's the one who barged into a fight knowing full well his options were either take them down or be taken down. Put him in the slammer where he belongs and melt the key down.
Storming into the middle of a group of people (costume or not) and telling them what to do, then breaking out the pepper spray when they refuse to comply, is something only a police officer in uniform has the authority to do. Anyone else is committing an assault. Period.
This guy had no business sticking his nose in there, no business dragging his camera-toting buddy down with him, and no business claiming self-defence when he's the one who barged into a fight knowing full well his options were either take them down or be taken down. Put him in the slammer where he belongs and melt the key down. |
Storming into the middle of a group of people (costume or not) and telling them what to do, then breaking out the pepper spray when they refuse to comply, is something only a police officer in uniform has the authority to do. Anyone else is committing an assault. Period.
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In fact, I'd say it's your duty to do the same. Of course, most people won't because they're too worried about themselves.
This guy had no business sticking his nose in there |
no business dragging his camera-toting buddy down with him |
and no business claiming self-defence when he's the one who barged into a fight knowing full well his options were either take them down or be taken down. |
I'd say it's the other way around, that there's something wrong with the world when the only people who will help others in need when they see it are those eccentric enough to want to dress up to do it.
It's even and even worse indictment on society when such people are mocked. Jones could well have saved someones life. Street fights aren't like schoolyard scraps between children. |
Of course, I would selfishly hope if someone is doing much more than brawling and my life is in danger, someone would step in to save my life if no police were around. And then I would probably sheepishly do my duty as a citizen and label them a vigilante so they are arrested along with the perpetrator.
He did nothing wrong, because if you look at it in another way the Law holds you accountable if you witness a a crime and DON'T stop it, depending ont he type of crime of course.
I also call major childish, vindictive foul on that Police department for telling a $#^@ Internet dirt sheet the guy's real name..There's no telling who he's upset doing this and now they put his entire family at risk.
There's no telling who he's upset doing this and now they put his entire family at risk.
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Knowing that he has a family makes me facepalm all the harder about the whole situation. It's irresponsible enough to undertake a narcissistic, self-publicizing (how compatible is that with the whole secret identity thing, by the way?) costumed crimefighting career in the real grown-up world, where things don't work that way, if you've got nothing much to lose by doing it (apart from the structural integrity of your own fool head). Doing so when you do, and more to the point when other people have something to lose by you doing it, crosses some invisible line somewhere from "foolishly eccentric" to "criminally imbecilic".
And I'm not buying the "oh, he just did what any civic-minded citizen ought to do in a situation like that" line, either. He was dressed up in a mask and costume and had a camera crew with him on what he himself called "patrol". Ergo, he was looking for trouble, not reacting in a small-h "heroic" fashion to a situation which Just Happened to Arise. I call bullcrap on any defense of his actions involving the sentiment that "that's what anybody ought to do".
Look, I get that you guys think the whole "real life superhero" thing is cool and all, but this isn't about cool. Bow ties are cool. Fezzes are cool. Premeditated intervention in street crime without the proper training or credentials is not cool, whether you're dressed like Night Thrasher or just wearing regular clothes. It's stupid and dangerous. Full stop.
Bow ties aren't cool.
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Look, I get that you guys think the whole "real life superhero" thing is cool and all, but this isn't about cool. Bow ties are cool. Fezzes are cool. Premeditated intervention in street crime without the proper training or credentials is not cool, whether you're dressed like Night Thrasher or just wearing regular clothes. It's stupid and dangerous. Full stop.
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This guy tried to involve other people in forcing his imaginary world into reality, despite being more than old enough to realize that reality wants no part of that crap. In most instances where that happens, the perpetrator ends up in one of three places: psychiatric care, a jail cell, or a grave. The police were simply following a longstanding precedent.
Agreed. It's about time people in this thread came out of their little fantasy world and realized that the only thing comic books have in common with real life is that human beings are involved somehow. "Superhero" stories are pure wish fulfillment.
This guy tried to involve other people in forcing his imaginary world into reality, despite being more than old enough to realize that reality wants no part of that crap. In most instances where that happens, the perpetrator ends up in one of three places: psychiatric care, a jail cell, or a grave. The police were simply following a longstanding precedent. |
You also probably were never informed that you were the only person in a room of a hundred people to come forward as a witness to the shooting or even call 911, nor heard those that were there arguing with the police about being held for questioning about the incident. I hope none of that ever happens to you, I don't want to shake you from your "reality".
The one thing I found interesting about the article which I don't think has been mentioned yet is that he's requested that they leave out his real name which *most* media outlets are complying with.
You've obviously never watched a guy die at your feet, helpless to be able to do anything to help as you waited for the police and the ambulance to arrive, and because the 911 operator was more interested in getting a report then connecting you with someone that could tell you how to help. And then when they finally do arrive, the police not allow the ambulance in the area, until they secured the lookiloos that were standing there watching.
You also probably were never informed that you were the only person in a room of a hundred people to come forward as a witness to the shooting or even call 911, nor heard those that were there arguing with the police about being held for questioning about the incident. I hope none of that ever happens to you, I don't want to shake you from your "reality". |
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Look, I get that you guys think the whole "real life superhero" thing is cool and all, but this isn't about cool. Bow ties are cool. Fezzes are cool. Premeditated intervention in street crime without the proper training or credentials is not cool, whether you're dressed like Night Thrasher or just wearing regular clothes. It's stupid and dangerous. Full stop.
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Agreed. It's about time people in this thread came out of their little fantasy world and realized that the only thing comic books have in common with real life is that human beings are involved somehow. "Superhero" stories are pure wish fulfillment.
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But hey, look after number one right? If you do anything else then you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
This isn't about being a "super hero" or dressing up in a costume, it's about a guy witnessing a large group of people beating up a small group and saying "No, I'm not going to let this happen right in front of me." and then doing the right thing by helping his fellow man.
Another sad indictment on society where helping others is considered a childish fantasy.
But hey, look after number one right? If you do anything else then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. This isn't about being a "super hero" or dressing up in a costume, it's about a guy witnessing a large group of people beating up a small group and saying "No, I'm not going to let this happen right in front of me." and then doing the right thing by helping his fellow man. |
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OK, um... I'm not sure where you're going with this. Is it your contention that none of that would have happened if Walter Mitty had been there with a camera crew? 'Cause we're not talking about police response, 911 operators' level of engagement, or citizens intervening of their own accord in a time of unanticipated crisis (you know, heroism) here. We're talking about a delusional and/or self-aggrandizing dude deliberately going out and looking to involve himself in as public a way as possible in situations where he doesn't belong, apparently without heed to the danger in which, by doing so, he places himself, his publicity team, bystanders, his family, etc.
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Oh, if I didn't make it clear, what I described happened to me, and it was then I realized "normal" people suck big time.
At least he's making a consious choice to do the right thing, the costume is just a symbol of commitent. If it takes putting people in costume to kick people in the rear to help out whenever they see someone in trouble instead of gawking or doing nothing then so be it, I'll be happy to stand in a corner to hand out domino masks. I've seen the ugly first hand that happens when people they helping others is someone else's job. I'm happy whenever some regardless of attire does the opposite of what is "normal" in this world, cause what is "normal" is crap.
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I really hope you're never lying on the floor while three dudes beat you mercilessly to an audience of people, all the while you are wondering why nobody from that crowd has stepped forward to stop these aggressors, where the cops are or if they're even coming, and if the people kicking your face in are going to stop just before you die or just keep going until your nothing but a memory smeared across the cement.
That's the grown up world, and it's only that way because people are too damn scared of getting hurt to stop those *three* metaphorical people from trying to execute one guy. Well within their power, but completely out of their mind. No, we'd much rather stand back and make up excuses why we shouldn't do anything to get involved. Still, I can't help but wonder if you keep the same rationale when it's you on the floor.
I hope to God that it's never you on the floor.
That he went looking for trouble doesn't defeat the fact that he tried to stop it in the most civilized fashion possible. Yes, he probably will get hurt, and maybe that alone scares you into submission, but that's the price of heroism. If we where all willing to stick our neck out for each other, we probably wouldn't need to do it as often as we don't.
They're not butting in because they have the sense to realize it'd still be three against one and the outcome would simply be them taking your place on the recieving end.
If you want to volunteer yourself to get curbstomped in my place, I won't complain. But I'm not naive enough to expect it from anyone with enough working brain cells to avoid nominating themselves for a Darwin Award.
They're not butting in because they have the sense to realize it'd still be three against one and the outcome would simply be them taking your place on the recieving end.
If you want to volunteer yourself to get curbstomped in my place, I won't complain. But I'm not naive enough to expect it from anyone with enough working brain cells to avoid nominating themselves for a Darwin Award. |
I think he had plenty of understanding, the only "wrong" thing he did was wear a costume. The only physical act he performed was pulling the trigger on the can of pepper spray. But the police should have had everyone involved at least detained, not just get half the story and ultimately arrest the wrong guy. But this is just a long line of screw ups the police have been a part of recently...*glares at the Occupy Movement*