Real Life Superhero Arrested


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Another reminder that superheroes are, alas, not nearly as awesome in real life.

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Originally Posted by Chris_Zuercher View Post
Another reminder that superheroes are, alas, not nearly as awesome in real life.[/url]
Money quote: the police spokesman saying "He inserted himself and sprayed them with pepper spray."

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That's why you never insert yourself into anything and then pepper spray what you're inserted in.


 

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I saw the thread title and said to myself, "That's Phoenix Jones, isn't it?"

Yeah.


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However if you watch the video of the incident it's obvious that the group was fighting, not dancing. Phoenix tried to break it up, got attacked, pepper sprayed a couple of the guys that came at him. There was one crazy woman who kept coming after him hitting him with a shoe or purse or something and he didn't fight back against her. Then somebody jumped in a car and tried to run over some of the group and managed to clip one of them.

The cops were willing only to take the statement of the people who claimed Phoenix assaulted them. When the camera man and another person who was there documenting Phoenix's patrol for a book he is writing tried to talk to the police and give their statements they were told to leave the area immediately or get arrested for being accomplices.


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It's okay -- most superheroes run afoul of the police early on in their careers.


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However if you watch the video of the incident it's obvious that the group was fighting, not dancing. Phoenix tried to break it up, got attacked, pepper sprayed a couple of the guys that came at him. There was one crazy woman who kept coming after him hitting him with a shoe or purse or something and he didn't fight back against her. Then somebody jumped in a car and tried to run over some of the group and managed to clip one of them.

The cops were willing only to take the statement of the people who claimed Phoenix assaulted them. When the camera man and another person who was there documenting Phoenix's patrol for a book he is writing tried to talk to the police and give their statements they were told to leave the area immediately or get arrested for being accomplices.
And those guys need to be fired and immediately brought up on charges.


 

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After seeing the video, I'm on Phoenix Jones' side on this one.


 

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After seeing the video, I'm on Phoenix Jones' side on this one.
That's pretty awesome.

It's all well and good saying you shouldn't intervene, but call the cops. The problem is, it took the cops 20 minutes to turn up, by which time someone could have be killed.

Jones seems to be breaking up the fight and drawing the heat onto himself, it is risky but he has got armour and pepper spray.


 

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And those guys need to be fired and immediately brought up on charges.
You mean the ones who were hassling the cops and getting in their way while helping the crazy person in the mask aggrandize (and possibly profit from) his illegal exploits? Yeah, totally with you there.


 

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You mean the ones who were hassling the cops and getting in their way while helping the crazy person in the mask aggrandize (and possibly profit from) his illegal exploits? Yeah, totally with you there.
You must have watched an entirely different video.


 

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So dude goes in to stop a fight and tells people to call the authorities which is what you should do. He then get's attacked, the camera crew with him gets attacked, and then the cops come up and tell them to stop filming and arrest the dude in the right?

I can understand why they arrested Phoenix though and it's largely the film crews fault how he reported what was happening over the phone, however, the police in the area should know these guys' MO already so shouldn't have arrested Jones especially since he obviously was cooperating and the one trying to stop the assault... and the cops should not have said anything to the film crew either other than asking to see the tape.

So I find fault with everyone in this situation other than the Phoenix Jones... and personally I would have done a lot more than pepper spray people once they pushed the guy in the wall and made it clear they weren't going to go away with just being sprayed.


 

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So dude goes in to stop a fight and tells people to call the authorities which is what you should do. He then get's attacked, the camera crew with him gets attacked, and then the cops come up and tell them to stop filming and arrest the dude in the right?
The guy's wearing a mask and having people film him taking the law into his own hands. Hell yeah, they all get run in. Vigilantism is illegal, and it's illegal for a very good reason - this dude is going to get himself or somebody else seriously hurt if he keeps this business up. Even in Seattle, life is not a comic book. Guy wants to enforce the law so bad, let him join the force. 'Course, then he won't be able to wear the cool costume and put his exploits on YouTube, but you know what, that's life in the actual grown-up world.

Sorry to harsh your buzz, guys, but I have zero sympathy for these rubber-clad Walter Mitty types and their dreams of Batmanhood. Well, no, that's not entirely true. I have sympathy for them inasmuch as I'm sympathetic to anyone with mental illness, and if you're dressing up in a superhero costume on days other than Halloween and trying to break up bar fights for great justice - with a camera crew in tow - there is clearly something wrong with you.


 

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The guy's wearing a mask and having people film him taking the law into his own hands. Hell yeah, they all get run in. Vigilantism is illegal, and it's illegal for a very good reason - this dude is going to get himself or somebody else seriously hurt if he keeps this business up. Even in Seattle, life is not a comic book. Guy wants to enforce the law so bad, let him join the force. 'Course, then he won't be able to wear the cool costume and put his exploits on YouTube, but you know what, that's life in the actual grown-up world.

Sorry to harsh your buzz, guys, but I have zero sympathy for these rubber-clad Walter Mitty types and their dreams of Batmanhood. Well, no, that's not entirely true. I have sympathy for them inasmuch as I'm sympathetic to anyone with mental illness, and if you're dressing up in a superhero costume on days other than Halloween and trying to break up bar fights for great justice - with a camera crew in tow - there is clearly something wrong with you.
Actually what he did is not Vigilantism. It is perfectly within the law to do what he should do and he is both legally and morally in the right.

Vigilantism is by law acting outside of the law as their own law.

These "heroes" act within and according to the law, with the law.

Whether he goes out dressed in a mask or not does not matter. As long as he doesn't overstep his bounds, which he clearly hasn't, he's not a vigilante...

but someone likely will at some point especially now adays with how the police are acting, but then again... one might argue not.


 

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Whether he goes out dressed in a mask or not does not matter.
I'd like to see that argument attempted at e.g. a bank.


 

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Vigilantism is illegal, and it's illegal for a very good reason
Yes it is. I would hardly call Jones a Vigilante though.

A vigilante would have beaten all of them to a pulp with a bat.
A vigilante would have shot them from afar.
A vigilante would have followed them and rammed their car off the road.
A vigilante would have pepper-sprayed them, then curb-stomped them.

A Hero would have seen an illegal activity and not allowed it to continue. By calling the authorities and, if needed, stepping in to moderate until they arrived.

Phoenix Jones works with law enforcement, using only legal methods. Nothing vigilante about it. Just because you don a mask and run around putting yourself in stupid situations doesn't make you a vigilante.

Edited to add: Look at it from another PoV. It's broad daylight and a dad is walking through the park to soccer practice to get his kid when he see's a fight break out. Fearing for the safety of the lone girl in the mix, he attempts to mediate the situation, asking them to be calm or something. They then turn on him at which point he sprays them to protect himself. Should the police have arrested him upon arriving at the scene? For being a concerned citizen?


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The guy's wearing a mask and having people film him taking the law into his own hands. Hell yeah, they all get run in. Vigilantism is illegal, and it's illegal for a very good reason - this dude is going to get himself or somebody else seriously hurt if he keeps this business up. Even in Seattle, life is not a comic book. Guy wants to enforce the law so bad, let him join the force. 'Course, then he won't be able to wear the cool costume and put his exploits on YouTube, but you know what, that's life in the actual grown-up world.
Except that nothing he did was actually illegal. Also, it's not vigilantism.
To quote Wikipedia:
A vigilante is a private individual who legally or illegally punishes an alleged lawbreaker, or participates in a group which metes out extralegal punishment to an alleged lawbreaker.
Members of neighborhood watch programs and others who use legal means of bringing people to justice are not considered vigilantes.

Jones is not punishing criminals. He is breaking up fights and calling the police. This is something that any decent person should do. He's just decided to dress up like a super hero while he does it.

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Sorry to harsh your buzz, guys, but I have zero sympathy for these rubber-clad Walter Mitty types and their dreams of Batmanhood. Well, no, that's not entirely true. I have sympathy for them inasmuch as I'm sympathetic to anyone with mental illness, and if you're dressing up in a superhero costume on days other than Halloween and trying to break up bar fights for great justice - with a camera crew in tow - there is clearly something wrong with you.
I'd say it's the other way around, that there's something wrong with the world when the only people who will help others in need when they see it are those eccentric enough to want to dress up to do it.
It's even and even worse indictment on society when such people are mocked. Jones could well have saved someones life. Street fights aren't like schoolyard scraps between children.


 

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I'd like to see that argument attempted at e.g. a bank.
An entirely different situation.
For instance, you can be naked at home, but not at the local kindergarten.

Wearing a mask outside is not a crime.


 

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An entirely different situation.
For instance, you can be naked at home, but not at the local kindergarten.

Wearing a mask outside is not a crime.
I hope not. There will be a lot of filled prisons come the 31st if it is!


 

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The cops there have just been looking for an excuse to bust this guy, and I understand their reasoning. They want him off the streets before he gets himself or someone else hurt or killed.

However, in this case they were a little over-zealous. He didn't do anything illegal, it's on tape and they are going to get a lot of bad press over this.

But, they did reveal his identity which up until now was not known, and for a good reason. The guy has a girlfriend and two kids, he can't afford to put them in danger. Looks like his career as a "masked hero" is over.


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The cops there have just been looking for an excuse to bust this guy, and I understand their reasoning. They want him off the streets before he gets himself or someone else hurt or killed.

However, in this case they were a little over-zealous. He didn't do anything illegal, it's on tape and they are going to get a lot of bad press over this.

But, they did reveal his identity which up until now was not known, and for a good reason. The guy has a girlfriend and two kids, he can't afford to put them in danger. Looks like his career as a "masked hero" is over.
This. The cops likely wanted an excuse to arrest him. What he does isn't vigilantism. He could of easily have done this in street clothes, he just wouldn't have gotten the press over it.


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The guy's wearing a mask and having people film him taking the law into his own hands. Hell yeah, they all get run in. Vigilantism is illegal, and it's illegal for a very good reason - this dude is going to get himself or somebody else seriously hurt if he keeps this business up. Even in Seattle, life is not a comic book. Guy wants to enforce the law so bad, let him join the force. 'Course, then he won't be able to wear the cool costume and put his exploits on YouTube, but you know what, that's life in the actual grown-up world.

Sorry to harsh your buzz, guys, but I have zero sympathy for these rubber-clad Walter Mitty types and their dreams of Batmanhood. Well, no, that's not entirely true. I have sympathy for them inasmuch as I'm sympathetic to anyone with mental illness, and if you're dressing up in a superhero costume on days other than Halloween and trying to break up bar fights for great justice - with a camera crew in tow - there is clearly something wrong with you.
I'll agree with you about him joining the police force, but you're wrong on just about everything else.


 

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He clearly has no understanding of the law. His actions have probably made him open to complaints and charges from the people involved in the brawl and the police had no choice but to arrest him. It would be very difficult for him to make the case of self defense or even citizens arrest because, as the video shows, they did not see who was at fault and who were the victims, he simply sprayed everyone with pepper spray which may be considered assault with a weapon under the law and he could face jail time or suits.