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Actually that thought did occur to me...

If you recall none of the female Halloween costume powers were available either. And there was a problem with the text of these powers which made it imply that these permanent powers you bought from the market only lasted two weeks.

I'm hoping that taking them offline will give them a chance to make sure all of these issues are sorted out.

How about a points purchase that makes costume unlocks global from level 1?

So if you buy it and earn say the Roman Costume ingame the purchase would make it global from level 1.
(You would still have to complete the challenge to unlock the Romulous items tho.)

Advantage global costume pieces from level 1.
Disadvantages you have to make a one time store purchase and earn the parts to make them global.

This could also then be used for unlockable weapons, shields, etc.

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Well, its not really about having money beyond the $15 per month which we've all been paying, is it?

The problem is now, that I can't choose to spend my stipend on Roman Armor over say, Street Justice or extra costume slots or whatever else is on sale in the store.

And I also can't work for it, by having another characters by unlocking the pieces account-wide, to pave the way for the amazon warrior character thats so dear to my heart (hypothetically).

As it stands I have to make the character and play her for somewhere between 50-100 hours before she looks right.

No-ones asking for everything at once, just for this one thing to not be so inaccessible.

I agree completely that its good to not get everything straight away. but We wouldn't run out of per-character goals just because one costume piece that over 99% of characters never wear anyway was no longer exclusive.

has f... all to do with money...but u want them on the market..well then yer it does do with money...

listen my fear is if one thing thts locked goes on the market (like vanguard) everything is going to go there. without them being replaced.

i understand u want to create something at the start..been there myself..a lot ... but i work around it and look at it as a goal..twist the bio of my toon and let it evolve when the time comes tht i have the cossie pieces.


but hey im just one guy.

Well, ignoring the strawman argument that cropped up at the end there, the "why not" is because those things* are not purely cosmetic like costume pieces, so they're poor comparisons.

*except Ascension armor, but apparently the devs feel it's a special case because it exists primarily as a status symbol.

Thats not true at all. They give those out all of the time. I know for a fact that they gave out over 30 codes at a costume contests a few weeks ago on the exalted server (I got my hands on one), and a year or so ago they gave out codes every week on these forums. They seem to use them as goodies to give out when they have events and contests.

As far as the costume parts go, I can see them unlocking holiday event costume parts since they are only available once a year. Stuff like roman armor should stay as a unlock IMO. If we want costume parts for theme ideas, then I'm for making new costume parts. Why not ad some new roman costume items and sell them for a fee rather than port a existing set over to buy? I don't know about you, but I'd rather have new costume parts.

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So what? So smegging what? Costume pieces are not like IOs, TFs or anything else, despite your previous comment. The total effect they have on gameplay or anything for that matter is ZERO. Nul.Zilch. Nada.

If you don't want to get them until level 35 and have that in your biog, that's fine! You can still get them n-game! You can still do things the free way should you choose!

But some people are sick to the back sodding teeth of waiting that long. Right now there is one option; the level gated way. Why is having more options a bad thing? Why, in fact, is your way 'Right' and having things in the market for those who want them 'wrong'?

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

While they might hand out a few of these special codes during contests and when the Devs make their infrequent appearances online I would hardly consider that to be a consistent or reliable source for the average player to get those codes. Your hyperbole that they "give them out all the time" is just about the equivalent of saying something like "people get struck by lightning all the time". Sure it happens, but it's hardly an "all the time" occurrence.

Also it's generally accepted that maybe at best 10% of the players of this game even read these forums much less post to them. Having codes that you can get via a few one-time handouts here a year or so ago is hardly a wide-spread distribution by any stretch of the imagination. I've been a fairly regular forum poster here for the last 7+ years and the handouts you spoke of happened maybe 2 or 3 times in total.

Anyway you didn't really offer any reason why these codes should not be something they could eventually sell in the Market. I think it would be a nice gesture for the 99.9% of the player population who would otherwise have no realistic chance to get these items.

Its far from hyperbole. How long were they giving them out on the forums? It was a long time (months and months) because I managed to get every single costume code they had at the time. At first it was several codes a day for weeks. It was a mad dash for a list of codes posted. First to claim won. Then they had the 3 separate contests (word find, screenshot, and another...) when there were giving out 3 codes a week. During the CoH: Freedom opening event they were giving them out like there was no tomorrow. Like I said at least 30 were handed out. Then before that they were doing server testing and inviting people to come over and test the server stability. During that they gave out at least 20 or so costume codes per test. And they had around 1-2 tests per week that lasted a few weeks. They also give them out as prizes for various PvP events. I saw some go out on Ustream and various online radio shows ect ect ect. You have regular opportunities to get the codes through contests and events not to mention meeting and conventions.

I'm not against selling them in the p.market, but it is cool having something exclusive for them to give away from time to time.

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And again all I'm saying is that the vast majority of your so-called "regular opportunities" to get these codes revolve around either ONE TIME events like the launch of CoH:Freedom, via forum handouts which, as I've already said, a vast majority of players never know about, or face-to-face meet-n-greets which very few people can physically travel to. It's one thing to gate content like the Roman costume items behind a TF that ALL players have the opportunity to get to. It's another thing when the only chance you have to get something is either being online at the right place at the right time or being able to buy a cross-country airline ticket.

I simply believe your definition of "regular opportunities" in this case is vastly askew from reality. I'm happy for you that you were able to get many of these codes for yourself, but trust me when I tell you that you are relatively unique in that regard. The fact that a few dozen people got these codes according to what you listed means nothing compared to the many thousands of people who play this game.

As far as the question of "exclusivity" goes this game has already shown us that almost nothing they offer is PERMANENTLY exclusive. Many of the things that used to be available only via pre-order deals are now more widely available to everyone. Heck, even many of what used to be called Vet badges are now effectively purchasable via buying points from the Paragon Market. I have no problem if they want to keep giving out the special codes for "free" as special promotional things and I wouldn't even mind if they had a policy that they'd wait like six months or a year before specific codes were released on the market. That'd still reserve far more "exclusivity" to these codes than many other things this game has retained thus far.

Obviously Zwillinger's reply is not a definite confirmation either way, but it seems they are at least considering the idea...

Because you can't do that at character creation? Or sub-level 35.

I hope they add event costume pieces like the valentines stuff to it as well. Hate waiting all year to unlock that stuff.

That about sums it up, really.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

That's nonsense. For some people the cos-play aspect IS GAMEPLAY. Which you well know. Sure it has no affect on combat, but that's irrelevant. You're asking for an in-game reward to be sold for cash.

Now, that said, there are other in game reward that do affect combat that are sold for cash (uncommon IOs) so it's entirely possible that it would be fine to have these items sold. I think the question is are the Roman pieces more like uncommon IOs or more like Rare+ IOs. Is there a value in making the pieces a reward instead of something that is readily available. I don't really know the answer to that question, but it's complete and utter bunk to argue that costume pieces are not related to gameplay. For many players, costumes are the most important part of the game.

Nope. The costumes are an aspect of the GAME, but they have nothing at all whatsoever to do with game PLAY. If they did then we would have Boots of +3 Stonking and Spandex of +5 Shibbleflop. Like a certain 800 lbs fantasty MMO.

Honestly, why is it such a major gripe for those who like the in-game unlocks? No one is going to magically take away those unlocks; they will still be there. But for those of us who get utterly, utterly sick and tired of hunting 100 Fake Nems or 200 Chompy Eyeballs there is a viable niche in a store-bought option. It has no effect on gameplay, and no effect on those who are not interested.

So, can someone please explain to me a genuine, objective downside to this, other than 'I don't like it!' or 'I earned it the hard way, so should everyone!' ?

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Ha loser! I have Spandex of +6 Shibbleflop on all my characters.

But seriously as a compromise I'd be fine with the idea of being able to buy things for secondary characters as long as you've had at least one character on the account that unlocked the item via playing the game the intended way. I understand that having to unlock things MULTIPLE times can be annoying but I still think you as a player should have to unlock the items in question at least once by playing the game for it.

Again, that's nonsense. The Roman pieces are an in-game reward for PLAYING THE GAME! Specifically the ITF. You want that reward, you do the ITF. You don't do the ITF, you don't get the reward. Whether that reward be merits, or a pretty shield, it's still an in-game reward for completing a challenge.

Most badges do nothing in combat either, so should we start selling Empath? Or Advisor? Of course, not. Those badges are earned achievements in the game. Many people chase badges just because they are there. Likewise some people chase costumes or Inventions or Incarnates. All rewards that are valuable to someone. All earned through GAME PLAY. The rewards are used in playing the game. Whether that be doing a TF, trying to win a costume contest, or just cybering with the hot catgirl (who may be a dude!)

Achievements lose all meaning if they can be bought. It's that simple. Some costume unlocks are achievements that you must earn. Allow folks to bypass that, and you have removed all purpose for having them be a reward in the first place.

Disagreement is not the same as hatred.

And this is set in stone, forever and ever until the end of time? And is this just for the Roman costume bits, or for all unlockable costume bits in the game? What dev told you this? Or is this just your opinion?

Your slippery slope argument is fallacious. Just because people want to be able to buy costume parts that were only attainable before by unlocking them, that doesn't mean that will lead to us being able to buy an instant level-up to 50 with every Incarnate slot opened up, or whatever scare tactic you were trying to use there, lol.

Speak for yourself, dear. And let me speak for myself: As someone who has unlocked a great deal of content in this game, I am still all for letting all costume bits be attainable via game points! I don't think it diminishes the rewards at all.