Discussion: When Do I Get My Paragon Points and Reward Tokens? (VIP)

This is what I'm concerned about as well. But I'm adding up on my fingers and I had 17 tokens going into issue 21 which came out a week or so before I would have gotten my 39 month badge... but 39/3 = 13 + 3 years + 1 = 17 so maybe I got my September token a few days early. I'm not entirely sure. I guess I'll just drop my question for now and hope I get my token in October. But I'm still disappointed that I'll not have my paragon points until the day after the costume slot sale is over. Oh well, such is life I guess.

BTW - I'm also in the "I'd rather get news and deal with it sometimes being premature than to never hear anything at all until after release" camp. Not getting the tokens when we pay is a bummer because I was hoping to hit tier 9 sooner rather than later, but it isn't going to keep me from continuing to pay year-to-year.

This thread is about VIP Points and tokens and such.



and going back to edit in what I recall hearing about transfer tokens.

For the record, I agree: I'd rather hear the plans, even if they are subject to change.

I don't recall "You get all your points when you subscribe!" being mentioned outside of the forums, so I don't see how it was a sales point. It's also a fairly minor thing- far from being a 'major feature.'

I'm not terribly fond of the way it's set up, either, and I hope it changes. But to freak out and demand they not announce anything that has even the slightest chance to change is seriously an overreaction.

I can confirm this.

I was curious to see if a first purchase of Paragon Points gave you a free Reward Token as indicated.

So I purchased 400 Paragon Points for $5 and lo and behold was awarded a free Reward Token.

This can only be done once. But you can also get a Reward Token if you purchase 1200 Paragon Points - I haven't tried this yet, and probably wont.

As I said, I was just referring to the VIP "allotments" not the as-you-buy-points.

This and Josh's replies led me to re-check the Freedom Official parts of the site. As I cannot find any mention of getting as many tokens at one time as you pay for months, I must retract my earlier comments and request, as well as humbly issue a sincere apology, as it does, in fact, appear I was misleading myself. I am very sorry for that, and will try in the future to check my sources prior to posting.

Raven.

A reminder to myself and others, of something Mark Twain once said - "A closed mouth gathers no feet." Sound advice, just wish I followed it better.

Most amusing complement I've ever been paid on an outfit, from @Ukase regarding my Blue Eyed She-Devil Anson Maddocs "Fallen Angel" homage:
"She gives my ex-wife a run for the money."

I've always preferred his line, "It's better to be thought a fool of than to speak and remove all doubt."

I do appreciate that someone online actually being willing to man up when they're wrong, though. Given the attitude in other places (and sometimes even here on these boards), most people seem to want to turn having a disagreement into a personal holy crusade against the world; I'm glad you're not doing that.

J

Except the Pod People

Well, clearly someone doesn't understand much about it.

I have 39 Reward Tokens because I got an extra one with a 400pt purchase (I was curious to see if you did get a Reward Token for a first purchase of Paragon Points)

The total without the purchase of Paragon Points is 38 Reward Tokens.

I can see Severe's college education is finally paying off in posts that completely make sense and non-nonsensical rants.*

Oh wait...

* Forgive my double negative, it's a freshman mistake.

So what is the max amount of given/included tokens one can get, if they have subscribed the entirety of the game, bought box sets before, etc etc.....I was under the impression it was 38. I am not talking about additional tokens one can get via paying for points.

This post indicates this person got 39 via subscription/box purchases. Others have indicated 42, but it is unclear whether they bought additional ones or not.

I have 38. I thought everything was square as I've been here for the venerable "forever" amount. Sounds like I need to get a support ticket going?

My bad! I Should have clarified. It's 38 Reward Tokens.

39 Reward Tokens is with the 400pt purchase I made to see if I would get an extra reward token.

Apologies for any confusion.

I'm not quite sure where you got the impression you would get no Paragon Points until Feb 28 next year. I'm assuming that is your next billing date on your subscription plan?

If so, you should have gotten points at the beginning of head start (assuming you were paid during July, Aug, and Sept) - 400 for your July 28th billing date (even if you don't pay on your billing date due to having paid a bulk rate for X months, the date you pay is your billing date each month), another 400 for August 28th, another for Sept 28th - all paid on the 13th of Sept (they should have advance paid you for your Sept points even though your bill date of the 28th hadn't yet come around). You might have gotten extra points based on reward tier in the Paragon Rewards system as well, but you should have started with 1200 points when the head start opened.

Since they advanced you the points for September's billing date, no points were handed out on that bill date. You should get another 400 (or 550 if you are at tier 9 on Para Rewards) on the 28th of October. And again on the 28th of every month until you stop paying.


The Reward Tokens are a bit more confusing, and Paragon Points grants for people with a billing date between the 1st and the 11th of the month will be a bit "off" while they get synced back up like they should be.

Reward tokens don't necessarily award on your billing date though, the reward date is calculated based on time paid (and apparently some combination of time played of the time paid for) - it has always had the potential to be different than billing date. I'm not sure why, but although my billing date is the 5th of the month, my Vet badges under the old system were granted on the 1st of the month every third month. I'm not quite sure how it was calculated for paid time to be all of four days off of my billing date, but it was.

Currently there isn't a way to see what the Paragon Rewards grant dates are - I had assumed they would grant (assuming no lapses in payment/VIP status) based on the same 1st of the month schedule that my old vet rewards granted on, but I have not yet received one for October - for either of my accounts with nearly identical vet time (one has been paid/active exactly a month longer than the other - so vet badges had always been one month off - one should have granted this month under the old system, one granted last month under the old system) and they have identical billing dates. So, I'm not sure that system didn't do something odd like the Paragon Points grants for the head start messed up early month bill dates getting a screwed up grant date while things get lined back up with the billing system.

Anyway...no, you shouldn't have to wait until Feb to get points or tokens.

I would guess the latter myself

by not being as broke as some of us? IE: perhaps they purchased points, etc...

Or for like people like me, "The number that will continue to go up until the sky esplodes because I'll never xfer a toon short of Test or Beta."

There's got to be some sort of conversion for this like X number of xfers = Y number of slot tokens, etc. It feels like that bloody extra "FREE mobile security software" that my cellphone provider added to my mandatory phone insurance plan After they raised it by $2-$3 because of said bonus with no way to go back.

You should get whatever perks are included w/ the box, the included month sub tacked onto your acct, the token (end of month), and stipend I believe. IE: I wouldn't buy anything that should be included in the box from market just yet. What people are saying that you don't get is the extra token for purchasing the box unless you've Never previously purchased a boxed product before. *awaits correction*