Street Justice and general points refunds.
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Ad Astra,
Posted on: 2011-10-05 09:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
To move onto a general point, will we be able to get refunds on sets, powers, etc that we feel disappointed with.
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Don't hold your breath on that one... cause you'll die.
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Simple answer No.Nc Soft never gives refunds
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
So I have to say I am extremely disapointed and unhappy with Street Justice .
The set is just plain weak... the aoe's are so small as to be meaningless, and a 5 target limit on one and a 10 on the other. ITs inferior to SS in both single and aoe damage. The set was changed from the time it came off beta but before live, and did not go back on test. This feels rather bait and switch, even though it wasnt nerfed live. To move onto a general point, will we be able to get refunds on sets, powers, etc that we feel disappointed with. There was no way to view the real stats before purchasing, so again I feel this was a somewhat deceptive. I am EXTREMELY unhappy with this. |
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I've hated Spines since I first started playing. I wasn't given the opportunity to see Spines in action before I started playing. Can I get a refund of part of my sub for the last 6+ years, please?|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
So I have to say I am extremely disapointed and unhappy with Street Justice .
The set is just plain weak... the aoe's are so small as to be meaningless, and a 5 target limit on one and a 10 on the other. ITs inferior to SS in both single and aoe damage. The set was changed from the time it came off beta but before live, and did not go back on test. This feels rather bait and switch, even though it wasnt nerfed live. To move onto a general point, will we be able to get refunds on sets, powers, etc that we feel disappointed with. There was no way to view the real stats before purchasing, so again I feel this was a somewhat deceptive. I am EXTREMELY unhappy with this. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Different, you paid for that as a part of a package. Spines was part of the original set of sets.|
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I've hated Spines since I first started playing. I wasn't given the opportunity to see Spines in action before I started playing. Can I get a refund of part of my sub for the last 6+ years, please?
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Liking some and not others is part of it.
Street Justice is a premium price for one item, which is disapointing.
I could charge back the charge, but Im not so upset im ready to leave the game, so if I felt strongly enough I could do it.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
So I have to say I am extremely disapointed and unhappy with Street Justice .
The set is just plain weak... the aoe's are so small as to be meaningless, and a 5 target limit on one and a 10 on the other. ITs inferior to SS in both single and aoe damage. The set was changed from the time it came off beta but before live, and did not go back on test. This feels rather bait and switch, even though it wasnt nerfed live. To move onto a general point, will we be able to get refunds on sets, powers, etc that we feel disappointed with. There was no way to view the real stats before purchasing, so again I feel this was a somewhat deceptive. I am EXTREMELY unhappy with this. |
I know quite a few online games with cash shops, offer refunds if you buy something and don't like it. Within a certain period of purchasing it.
Perhaps Paragon Studios could learn something from Riot Games, and have it so that after a week or two of being out, a powerset goes on free trial for a few days. To let people try before they buy.
It would save them money in the long run, their whole no refunds clause? Kinda illegal in several places around the world, like the UK.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Please provide your hard numbers that support your statement of SJ being the weakest set in terms of ST and AOE damage.
Otherwise people might misconstue your posts as being childish.
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the target caps for the two aoes are 5 and 10 respectivly, and the aoe distance insanely small. Its very difficult to hit anything with the aoe. The radius on the aoe is also a miniscule 7 feet and 50% arc and 6 feet radius.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
Please provide your hard numbers that support your statement of SJ being the weakest set in terms of ST and AOE damage.
Otherwise people might misconstue your posts as being childish. |
Footstomp has a 15 foot radius and a 16 target cap, it does more with 1 power than Stj does with 2.
Also the heavy hitter, have almost exactly the same stats except KO does a bit more damage.
ITs a weak set, it was changed after it came off beta but before live, so its not the same set I beta tested.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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That analogy is so poor it's quality can only be compared to the writers intelligence level. Buying a game and not liking one set of powers out of the enormous amount offered is drastically different than buying a specific powerset with limited points given on a monthly basis. |
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I've hated Spines since I first started playing. I wasn't given the opportunity to see Spines in action before I started playing. Can I get a refund of part of my sub for the last 6+ years, please?
Eco |
My guess is the dev team got tired of releasing sets on par or better than previously existing ones, then having to nerf the new set a few months later only to hear the shrieks of horror.
If the power was changed significantly from beta to live, I can see his irritation. I didn't pay any attention to it personally as it thematically doesn't fit any of my character concepts.
As for refunds, while I sympathize with you, I would be surprised if NCSoft issued one.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
the target caps for the two aoes are 5 and 10 respectivly, and the aoe distance insanely small. Its very difficult to hit anything with the aoe. The radius on the aoe is also a miniscule 7 feet and 50% arc and 6 feet radius.
Footstomp has a 15 foot radius and a 16 target cap, it does more with 1 power than Stj does with 2. Also the heavy hitter, have almost exactly the same stats except KO does a bit more damage. ITs a weak set, it was changed after it came off beta but before live, so its not the same set I beta tested. |
You probably have grounds to ask for a refund then, especially if the set you beta tested was not the set you bought.
Paragon Really do need to allow people to try before they buy when it comes to powersets.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
There is a test/beta server for a reason. While im not sure if the street justice set is back on the test server, it was for quite a bit of time for people to test and play with it.
This should have been the timeframe for people to judge if they like it or not. Since you mentioned SS i presume you have used the set on either a tank or a brute, why not a scrapper? Plus dps on a SJ is indeed higher than a SS and well . . . . looks cool! 
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Why don't you put in a support ticket and ask for a refund then, instead of filling the forums with yet another boo-hoo post?
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I'm sorry, did I miss your DPA and DPS calculations? You keep using subjective terms as definitive statements (insanely, weak, miniscule, etc). If you want to be convincing then I propose you provide factual data that shows the discrepencies in a more objective light. |
Originally Posted by Shubbie
the target caps for the two aoes are 5 and 10 respectivly, and the aoe distance insanely small. Its very difficult to hit anything with the aoe. The radius on the aoe is also a miniscule 7 feet and 50% arc and 6 feet radius.
Footstomp has a 15 foot radius and a 16 target cap, it does more with 1 power than Stj does with 2. Also the heavy hitter, have almost exactly the same stats except KO does a bit more damage. ITs a weak set, it was changed after it came off beta but before live, so its not the same set I beta tested. |
Lastly, you shouldn't compare any new AoE power to Footstomp. Instead, you should avoid using Footstomp in any comparison. It's an out-lier.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
I'm sorry, did I miss your DPA and DPS calculations? You keep using subjective terms as definitive statements (insanely, weak, miniscule, etc). If you want to be convincing then I propose you provide factual data that shows the discrepencies in a more objective light.
Lastly, you shouldn't compare any new AoE power to Footstomp. Instead, you should avoid using Footstomp in any comparison. It's an out-lier. |
Don't other AoE's all cap at 15?
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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The bolded part can't be correct, as Ultimus came in a few days ago and posted the changes.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
So I have to say I am extremely disapointed and unhappy with Street Justice .
The set is just plain weak... the aoe's are so small as to be meaningless, and a 5 target limit on one and a 10 on the other. ITs inferior to SS in both single and aoe damage. The set was changed from the time it came off beta but before live, and did not go back on test. This feels rather bait and switch, even though it wasnt nerfed live. To move onto a general point, will we be able to get refunds on sets, powers, etc that we feel disappointed with. There was no way to view the real stats before purchasing, so again I feel this was a somewhat deceptive. I am EXTREMELY unhappy with this. |
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15 what?
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Don't other AoE's all cap at 15?
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15 targets obviously.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
15 what?
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Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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Because the Dpa and dps numbers are fine, no need to do the calculations.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
I'm sorry, did I miss your DPA and DPS calculations? You keep using subjective terms as definitive statements (insanely, weak, miniscule, etc). If you want to be convincing then I propose you provide factual data that shows the discrepencies in a more objective light.
Lastly, you shouldn't compare any new AoE power to Footstomp. Instead, you should avoid using Footstomp in any comparison. It's an out-lier. |
ITs the aoe's that are atrocious, the single target being weaker than SS is secondary.
its the low target caps and miniscule aoe thats the problem especially for a set with only 2 aoe.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
Plus you can use the character creation tool to SEE the numbers as they are on live . . . . . . . .
Changes [both good and bad] from beta > live are to be expected.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
Most AoEs cap at 10.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
15 targets obviously.
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Thunderstrike max targets is 10.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Plus you can use the character creation tool to SEE the numbers as they are on live . . . . . . . .
Changes [both good and bad] from beta > live are to be expected. |
you can not see the numbers till you buy the set.
This is confirmed.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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The target caps are in line with most AoE powers. Whirling hands, Thunderstrike, Fire Sword Circle, etc etc etc are 10 targets.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Because the Dpa and dps numbers are fine, no need to do the calculations.
ITs the aoe's that are atrocious, the single target being weaker than SS is secondary. its the low target caps and miniscule aoe thats the problem especially for a set with only 2 aoe. |
And Footstomp has a target cap of 10 also...
So I have to say I am extremely disapointed and unhappy with Street Justice .
The set is just plain weak... the aoe's are so small as to be meaningless, and a 5 target limit on one and a 10 on the other.
ITs inferior to SS in both single and aoe damage.
The set was changed from the time it came off beta but before live, and did not go back on test.
This feels rather bait and switch, even though it wasnt nerfed live.
To move onto a general point, will we be able to get refunds on sets, powers, etc that we feel disappointed with.
There was no way to view the real stats before purchasing, so again I feel this was a somewhat deceptive.
I am EXTREMELY unhappy with this.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.