Street Justice and general points refunds.
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Posted on: 2011-10-05 09:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Most cap at 10... and so does Foot Stomp, for that matter.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
15 targets obviously.
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Whirling Mace/Axe/Sword, Fire Sword Circle, Thunder Strike, Spin...
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Not really. There was a reason it was called beta. It wasn't the final product. If he wanted to make sure that it was a set he wanted he could have always waited and asked other players about his concerns.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
You probably have grounds to ask for a refund then, especially if the set you beta tested was not the set you bought.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Paragon Really do need to allow people to try before they buy when it comes to powersets.
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I really don't see the devs putting time into developing something like that, but it would be nice.
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Allowing people to try RELEASED versions of things before you buy them is one idea I'm not particularly opposed to.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
You probably have grounds to ask for a refund then, especially if the set you beta tested was not the set you bought.
Paragon Really do need to allow people to try before they buy when it comes to powersets. |
But having the expectation that anything under beta test will exist in the live environment in EXACTLY the same shape or form as it did during beta is borderline naive and foolish. If anyone attempts to ask for a refund for something because "it doesn't work in live the same way it did in beta" then I can only hope, for their sake, that the customer service people don't laugh -too- hard at them for trying.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't do anything with the set until you buy it. You can't even make a character to look at, as the character creator freezes on the power select page until you buy the set.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Plus you can use the character creation tool to SEE the numbers as they are on live . . . . . . . .
Changes [both good and bad] from beta > live are to be expected. |
Surely its a "middle of the road" set then? 
Do people expect each set to be vastly superior to every other set when they come out?
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You can, but you have to take a roundabout route to do it: get the power names from wherever (Paragonwiki for example), then use in-game chat to bring up power info, e.g. by chatting [Heavy Blow] then clicking on the link it creates.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
WRONG
you can not see the numbers till you buy the set. This is confirmed. |
Far from ideal in terms of convenience and likelihood of people knowing about it, but it does work.
Weren't you the same guy who said Redside needed 'fixing' a few months ago after posting the same thing a year prior to that?
Also, StJ is a freaking blast and I've never leveled a Brute so quickly in my life.
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I'd also like to make note the other AoE power is a Cone and its range and arc are right in line with other powers.
Jacob's Ladder - 7ft, 50 degrees
Shadow Maul - 7ft, 45 Degrees
Shatter - 8ft, 45 degrees
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Lets look at that for a moment.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
The target caps are in line with most AoE powers. Whirling hands, Thunderstrike, Fire Sword Circle, etc etc etc are 10 targets.
And Footstomp has a target cap of 10 also... |
Whirling hands is in EM, which has for a while been considered a weak set.
Elec however is strong so lets look at that. lets get up mids here.
Jacobs ladder about the same stats as sweep, okie, but Elec also has thunderstrikes, chain induction and lightning rod which has a whopping 20' radius.
What Stj needs is a sweep to be moved to 10' and a 10 target cap.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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Apparently at least some of them do...
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Surely its a "middle of the road" set then?
Do people expect each set to be vastly superior to every other set when they come out? |
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Getting links from someone else who also had to buy it to get those doesn't count. There has to be a source at one point.|
Originally Posted by Biowraith
You can, but you have to take a roundabout route to do it: get the power names from wherever (Paragonwiki for example), then use in-game chat to bring up power info, e.g. by chatting [Heavy Blow] then clicking on the link it creates.
Far from ideal in terms of convenience and likelihood of people knowing about it, but it does work. |
True, for an individual it can provide a solution to get the stats from a third party, but it's not something a business should rely on to make its approach fair.
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Argument invalid, EM is a terrible melee set with one AOE, a useless control power and three too-long-animating attacks. It can't be compared to StJ; that'd be like comparing a typewriter with a netbook. Yes, they do the same thing but one is vastly superior.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Lets look at that for a moment.
Whirling hands is in EM, which has for a while been considered a weak set. |
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Wow thats obscure, ive been playing since beta and I didnt know that.
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Originally Posted by Biowraith
You can, but you have to take a roundabout route to do it: get the power names from wherever (Paragonwiki for example), then use in-game chat to bring up power info, e.g. by chatting [Heavy Blow] then clicking on the link it creates.
Far from ideal in terms of convenience and likelihood of people knowing about it, but it does work. |
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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You can check out all of the powerset's power names in the actual game. All you need is the power names, and you can see that at character creation. And if you can't, ask.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
WRONG
you can not see the numbers till you buy the set. This is confirmed. |
Secondly, claiming that a 6-foot-radius AoE can't hit anything is profoundly ignorant.
Lastly, proclaiming that the powerset was made weaker since Beta is false. The numbers are identical.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by dbuter
You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't do anything with the set until you buy it. You can't even make a character to look at, as the character creator freezes on the power select page until you buy the set.
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Then that is my fault since i just used the ingame commands to look at each power and presumed it was ok to look at via the creation tool too.
Besides the point though, still ways to look at the actual numbers
Plus that thread that was all about the changes to the street justice set.
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Footstomp - 15 ft radius, 10 targets|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Lets look at that for a moment.
Whirling hands is in EM, which has for a while been considered a weak set. Elec however is strong so lets look at that. lets get up mids here. Jacobs ladder about the same stats as sweep, okie, but Elec also has thunderstrikes, chain induction and lightning rod which has a whopping 20' radius. |
Whirling Mace - 8ft, 10 targets
Tremor - 15ft, 10 targets
Burst - 8 ft, 10 targets
FSC - 10 ft, 10 targets
Whirling Hands - 8ft, 10 targets
Thunderstrike - 7ft, 10 targets from targeted critter
Spin - 8ft, 10 targets
Whirling Axe - 8ft, 10 targets
You seem to just want a footstomp clone. Not. Going. To. Happen.
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Yeah its not terrible, its a middle of the road, bleh set.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Apparently at least some of them do...
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Not worth 10 for it on its own, save the bleh sets for free or expansions or packs.
Selling it on its own for 10 it needs to be good, not best but good.
its not.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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I found out about it back in I19 when we got sneak peeks at the Judgement powers.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Wow thats obscure, ive been playing since beta and I didnt know that.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Footstomp - 15 ft radius, 10 targets
Whirling Mace - 8ft, 10 targets Tremor - 15ft, 10 targets Burst - 8 ft, 10 targets FSC - 10 ft, 10 targets Whirling Hands - 8ft, 10 targets Thunderstrike - 7ft, 10 targets from targeted critter Spin - 8ft, 10 targets Whirling Axe - 8ft, 10 targets Looks like the AoE power is right in line with previous sets. You seem to just want a footstomp clone. Not. Going. To. Happen. |
There is NO reason though either the range of sweep cant be made 10' or the arc 90% and the cap raised to 10.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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There's a shortcut to delete all your scrappers at once?
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
And [The I Win Button], obviously.
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I would simply offer that your definition of "good enough" in this case may differ from someone else's. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Yeah its not terrible, its a middle of the road, bleh set.
Not worth 10 for it on its own, save the bleh sets for free or expansions or packs. Selling it on its own for 10 it needs to be good, not best but good. its not. |
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Because that'd turn the power into a near-clone of Pendulum/Crowd Control, and the set would be imbalanced. The set is fine, and your demands are unreasonable.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
There is NO reason though either the range of sweep cant be made 10' or the arc 90% and the cap raised to 10.
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Edit: Also who the heck in this game has an arm that big? Not even Huge models at max height have limbs that gargantuan.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Yeah its not terrible, its a middle of the road, bleh set.
Not worth 10 for it on its own, save the bleh sets for free or expansions or packs. Selling it on its own for 10 it needs to be good, not best but good. its not. |
A LOT of people love the street justice set, so it was clearly a powerset which they felt was more of a premium set than time manipulation.
IMO its one of my favourite sets ingame, thats what the whole point of the paragon market was i thought. YOU chose what ones you want to buy.
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You have yet to provide a reason as to why they should be increased.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
There is NO reason though either the range of sweep cant be made 10' or the arc 90% and the cap raised to 10.
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Shouldn't this be a question for Customer Service? They have a new fancy shindig for it and everything...
If you want to be sure what you are buying before you buy it.....WAIT until it's out for longer then a day to see what people are saying about it. Common sense is still a thing ya know...
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