Premium Players get less than expected!
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Posted on: 2011-09-24 05:58 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Maybe you're unfamiliar with the Paragon Rewards program.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Yeah, heaven forfend anyone think that literally years of loyally subbing to a game - with real money, no less - entitles them to a few perks. That kinda thinking has to stop and the sooner the better! *facepalm*
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Heaven forbid that the loyalty program not include everything such that highly veteran players actually have a reason to subscribe.
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Also they have been saying for MONTHS now that Incarnates are VIP only perk.
I'm not really sure how anyone missed that since it isn't the first time it's been discussed.
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As some of us said at the time, paying for something still in Beta testing is risky. You can't know what the final version will be like.
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Originally Posted by Death_Badger
Removing it during beta does not negate the fact that by that point they had already sold it with that feature.
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Tell me what perks you got for your loyalty if you had stopped paying your sub three months ago.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Yeah, heaven forfend anyone think that literally years of loyally subbing to a game - with real money, no less - entitles them to a few perks. That kinda thinking has to stop and the sooner the better! *facepalm*
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Yeah, heaven forfend anyone think that literally years of loyally subbing to a game - with real money, no less - entitles them to a few perks. That kinda thinking has to stop and the sooner the better! *facepalm*
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You mean something along the lines of all expansions being opened up and accessible, a tree of rewards which long term subscribers can pick from and which include new cossies, powers and other perks, a headstart on a server just for them and some extra free bonus points just for subscribing for the last few months?
We can but dream...
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So if Incarnates were included for not paying for the game, what would be the incentive to subscribe?
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Yeah, heaven forfend anyone think that literally years of loyally subbing to a game - with real money, no less - entitles them to a few perks. That kinda thinking has to stop and the sooner the better! *facepalm*
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Non sequiter: no one did ANYthing before Freedom without paying a subscription. This is stating the obvious. | Carnifax: To gain Incarnate access you needed two things "back in the day" : GR Access and to pay a sub. |
The point was - deny it as you may - that in order to have access to GR and, AND! the Incarnate system, one had to purchase GR. If there is proof otherwise I'd love to see it.
Now Incarnate access has been ripped out of the GR package. The marketing team can and will do what they want, meanwhile I will not be spending that $15 on my new second account. I'll use it for SG invites only; I am glad I found out about all this before I spent a lot of money on upgrades that won't apply to that account. Simple.
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Indeed. I have no sympathy: none at all.|
Originally Posted by DocBenway
the sense of entitlement here is sickening.
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For weeks (indeed a couple of months) pre-launch I listened to players both in these forums and in game channels brag about how they were going to go premium and get everything for free, how clever they were for punking the system and how subscribing was for suckers.
Now they've found out what Bob Heinlein knew fifty years ago: that "there's no such thing as a free lunch." Boo Effing Hoo. Want your VIP goodies back? Pay up. Simple as.
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As long as people were spending money on the game, who cares if they subscribe? SPENDING MONEY. That is the key concept. |
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
So if Incarnates were included for not paying for the game, what would be the incentive to subscribe?
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Free players are out in a hinterland of their own making. However Premiums who PAY FOR THINGS should actually go all hog-wild and get what they paid for, capische? Or not....?
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I am a VIP player and maintaining my subscription, thanks.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Maybe you're unfamiliar with the Paragon Rewards program.
Heaven forbid that the loyalty program not include everything such that highly veteran players actually have a reason to subscribe. |
a few perks....yea, i wish we had a vet reward program. free issues would be nice too. a VIP server would be really cool. free paragon points. etc. all that stuff would be a great perk for playing an amazing game ... oh wait, we already have that stuff. maybe they can mail each subscribed player a pie. that would be great.
seriously though. this is an amazing game that I've been playing for almost 7 years. i can't say that about any other game. I'll continue along as I have since 2004. I'll continue to pay for my subscription and continue to get the great game that I've been playing all these years. I have an idea, why don't you continue to pay for the game like you always have been and continue to get all the perks (plus some) that you've been getting.
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NCsoft cares. They've shown they won't hesitate to shutdown any game that suddenly stops making as much money. |
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
As long as people were spending money on the game, who cares if they subscribe? SPENDING MONEY. That is the key concept.
Free players are out in a hinterland of their own making. However Premiums who PAY FOR THINGS should actually go all hog-wild and get what they paid for, capische? Or not....? |
Having most or all subscribers suddenly stop subscribing would be all the signal needed for NCsoft to cut the cord. That publisher doesn't play.
And subscribers are currently going hog wild. There is a thread on here with SUBSCRIBERS dropping $100 or more on the store on the first day.
I think Paragon Studios has hit the jackpot with their hybrid model.
Your version (I believe) would cause the game to be shutdown.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
509 posts? Well, 510 now, but anyways. Really? And its still going?
Gating content as an incentive to subscribe. What's so hard to understand about that?
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Hostess Fruit Pies. I'd pay Paragon Points for those!
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Originally Posted by DocBenway
maybe they can mail each subscribed player a pie. that would be great.
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Going Rogue grants access to the Alignment System and Praetoria. It does not grant access to Incarnates. However the Alignment System and Praetoria content is needed for Incarnate content.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
But since buying GR anyways now denies Premium players the main point of GR - the Incarnate system - that's money that the game wont be getting out of me. |
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Is your position actually that Premium players who PAID, please note that word *PAID* for GR and recieved Incarnate access like we did in the good old days [when you paid for GR = Incarnate access] - that those who PAID would all cancel their subs en masse as a result, and this would cause the game to fail?| Having most or all subscribers suddenly stop subscribing would be all the signal needed for NCsoft to cut the cord. That publisher doesn't play. |
Are you serious? Because that looks like a pretty wide leap of logic to me. But ok.
I guess.
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Except that's never been the case.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
[when you paid for GR = Incarnate access]
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You needed to have paid for GR and have an active subscription.
Now all you need is a subscription.
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It shouldn't be anyone's position, since it never worked like that.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Is your position actually that Premium players who PAID, please note that word *PAID* for GR and recieved Incarnate access like we did in the good old days [when you paid for GR = Incarnate access] - that those who PAID would all cancel their subs en masse as a result, and this would cause the game to fail?
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Incarnate access is the one thing that you can *only* get by subscribing. Ergo, if one could get that without subscribing, and a'la carte the other things one needs/wants, it could well come out cheaper than subscription (depends on rewards level and what one needs/wants). Why would anyone *not* drop their sub if that were the case?...seems pretty logical to me..spending less > spending more.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Is your position actually that Premium players who PAID, please note that word *PAID* for GR and recieved Incarnate access like we did in the good old days [when you paid for GR = Incarnate access] - that those who PAID would all cancel their subs en masse as a result, and this would cause the game to fail?
Are you serious? Because that looks like a pretty wide leap of logic to me. But ok. I guess. |
I'm tier 9....fairly certain it'd be less than 15 a month for me if incarnates were free
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Fixed that for ya. |
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Is your position actually that Premium players who PAID, please note that word *PAID* for GR and had a paying subscription to the game and recieved Incarnate access like we did in the good old days [when you paid for GR and had a paid subscription = Incarnate access] - that those who PAID would all cancel their subs en masse as a result, and this would cause the game to fail?
Are you serious? Because that looks like a pretty wide leap of logic to me. But ok. I guess. |
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And?
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I am a VIP player and maintaining my subscription, thanks.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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You're right, it is a wide leap of logic. But not the one you seem to think it was, since you had to have an active subscription in addition to having bought GR.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Because that looks like a pretty wide leap of logic to me.
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Now you only need an active subscription.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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So she's going to have more money to spend on her main account rather than her secondary account. |
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
The marketing team can and will do what they want, meanwhile I will not be spending that $15 on my new second account. I'll use it for SG invites only; I am glad I found out about all this before I spent a lot of money on upgrades that won't apply to that account. Simple.
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Uhm how does that hurt the company?
Edit: Fix'd sentence
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Actually, the Hybrid model they are using here is pretty unique. Traditionally, you are capable of buying everythign the game has to offer with a lump sum cash spend up which is not the case in CoH.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
NCsoft cares. They've shown they won't hesitate to shutdown any game that suddenly stops making as much money.
Having most or all subscribers suddenly stop subscribing would be all the signal needed for NCsoft to cut the cord. That publisher doesn't play. And subscribers are currently going hog wild. There is a thread on here with SUBSCRIBERS dropping $100 or more on the store on the first day. I think Paragon Studios has hit the jackpot with their hybrid model. Your version (I believe) would cause the game to be shutdown. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. |
In the other models, it is those "Free" players who generate the most income, the short time players who spend hundreds of dollars and only play for a couple of months.
Subscribers are their bread and butter but Freebies are their Ferraris and Holiday Homes.
I consider a video of Positron stating at PAX that Going Rogue included the first tier of Incarnate access (which I linked earlier) fairly conclusive proof.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA