Discussion: Extended Live Server Maintenance - Thursday, September 22, 2011


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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA View Post
Come on folks, you gotta expect this sort of thing in an open beta

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i thought this was i21 launched with head start for VIP? if its not that would explain alot, oh well like most people, downtime sucks but it sucks even more when stuffs not fixed

guess it another thursday of no game time, cest la vie


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I thought they JUST UPGRADED the hardware. No? Then what were they doing while they said they were?


 

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Originally Posted by Diggis View Post
17th, 4 hours from 5pm to 9pm BST

20th 3 hours from 12pm to 3pm

22nd 12 hours from 9:30am to 9:30pm

While I understand the need for upgrades, this is getting silly.

I don't know if the times are accurate but I damn sure haven't had much luck when trying to log in lately. Either the game is down, the server I want is down or once you do get in something happens and the server needs to go down. I just friggin resubbed the day before this crap started. Starting to make me wish I just kept my damn account inactive until everything is fixed. Might be a good time for some damage control from customer service because if this continues I will probably cancel again and not look back.


 

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Eh. I work all day.


 

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Originally Posted by Zortel View Post
'Hey, I'm going to knuckle down tomorrow and get my Nin/Time levelled before work in the afternoon.'

Welp, that's that plan scuppered.

Yes, it's necessary, yes, it's essential, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck any less for people who want to play in the EU. I was hoping to use the early evening to run some missions with my friends, but that's not an option.
This. we accept downtimes are necessary. We accept long ones are sometimes necessary.

But almost every significant downtime lately has pretty much wiped out EU peak playing hours. This is starting to get distinctly frustrating now. When they merged the communities and teams, they said we'd get the same class of service as everyone else. We were promised we would not be second class citizens. They said it again during the server list merge. Guess what? We're getting the sharp end of the stick again.

Downtimes in peak hours: Check.
Losing our global names: Check.

What's next?


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Hah, There goes my work day entertainment! Now I'll have to go back to the olden days of actually doing my job!

So unfair.

There has been a lot of downtime of late, But then, a lot of very big changes have been happening, so I guess I can understand that. Anything that makes the game better in the long run, I can put up with a little annoyance in the now for.

Good luck and God Speed you crazy Server poking fools!


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Players! Remember this was expected with the new Freedom version and sometimes doing a backup > shutdown > upgrade > restore > dry run, can take a LONG time. And with some of the crazy people in CoH, like me if I had the money, the bonus they no doubt got from people spending $300+ this month might have forced the devs to upgrade earlier than expected.

This is still kinda a beta really it's just live for the paying people and I REALLY wanted this version but I expected TONS of downtime since running a 7 year old MMO isn't a small amount of data, especially with all the altoholics (me again) out there.

Granted maybe some people are upset with all this new stuff with the downtime, but really it's gotten me to pick up the area around my desk and was it needed!

Keep up the work devs, seeing long down time, to me, means work is getting done and I see my money being used.


 

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This is how many times in a week the game's been down for an extended period of time? Cripes. I understand stuff happens but this is getting to be ridiculous.


 

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With all due respect to the folks who play this game outside of NA I think under ordinary circumstances it's at least understandable why most maintenance periods are going to happen during the "daylight" hours of NA.

But having said that I think it's fairly reasonable that once in a while (especially for a maintenance period that's going to last 12 hours anyway) they ought do a period that takes place during a "non-standard" time. For instance how much worse would it have been for them to have scheduled a 9:30PM BST to 9:30AM BST period this time around? It's still going to suck for a solid 12 hours regardless of what time of day that is.

Obviously most of the people who play this game live in NA so most of the time the maintenance periods are going to favor NA players. But even as a NA player I think it would only be fair for me to get hit by a few of these prime-time downages from time to time.

Fair is fair after all...


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Players! Remember this was expected with the new Freedom version and sometimes doing a backup > shutdown > upgrade > restore > dry run, can take a LONG time. And with some of the crazy people in CoH, like me if I had the money, the bonus they no doubt got from people spending $300+ this month might have forced the devs to upgrade earlier than expected.

This is still kinda a beta really it's just live for the paying people and I REALLY wanted this version but I expected TONS of downtime since running a 7 year old MMO isn't a small amount of data, especially with all the altoholics (me again) out there.

Granted maybe some people are upset with all this new stuff with the downtime, but really it's gotten me to pick up the area around my desk and was it needed!

Keep up the work devs, seeing long down time, to me, means work is getting done and I see my money being used.
yeah, it's still a beta really.. but that doesnt make things any better.. using live servers as a frekkin beta-test is just plain stupid.. why even bother trying to sugarcoat it?


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No offense to the EU players, but you do realise that Paragon Studios is based in the U.S., not in the EU, hence why the downtimes line up more with the NA work days, rather than the EU. If they were based in the EU, the same thing would be happening to the NA players rather than the EU players. That all being said, this head start 'is' effectively a huge open beta, as CoX freedom still doesnt allow in F2P and premiums, and only VIPs. Hence all the downtimes as of late. Kinda a bad idea in some aspects, but i know there have been alot of people buying stuff on the paragon market lately, and as such Paragon probably has had a big influx of cash to spend on new server shinyness for us to be happy about once the maintenance is over. Just my two cents, beat me down if ya want i guess >.>


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yeah, it's still a beta really.. but that doesnt make things any better.. using live servers as a frekkin beta-test is just plain stupid.. why even bother trying to sugarcoat it?
As a software engineer with nearly 20 years of professional experience I've never been under -any- delusion that what I've been playing here for over 7 years now was anything other than one long never-ending beta test.


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Originally Posted by Felderburg View Post
12 hours is a long time, but I'm sure there's a good reason for it.

Besides, it's during a work day, so go do work. Unless you don't work, in which case I'm sure there are other ways to remain occupied...
According to the CoH Facebook Page (which I know you all -love-):

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City of Heroes: This maintenance is to upgrade the City of Heroes server infrastructure. The servers are being physically moved, which will require a 12-hour timeframe. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA View Post
Come on folks, you gotta expect this sort of thing in an open beta
I wish this wasn't so depressingly accurate.


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Originally Posted by SolarSentai View Post
According to the CoH Facebook Page (which I know you all -love-):
Bloody hell....the facebook page again? Why the heck do they not post that crap here on the forums! Way to treat your forum community well paragon.


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No offense to the EU players, but you do realise that Paragon Studios is based in the U.S., not in the EU, hence why the downtimes line up more with the NA work days, rather than the EU. If they were based in the EU, the same thing would be happening to the NA players rather than the EU players.
You maybe missed the point. We used to have downtimes outside prime EU time. They got removed when the EU community stuff was folded into the US community stuff. We were repeatedly assured we wouldn't be treated as second class citizens.

Starting to feel distinctly second-class here.


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Originally Posted by Gideon View Post
You maybe missed the point. We used to have downtimes outside prime eu time. They got removed when the Eu community stuff was folded into the US community stuff. We were repeatedly assured we wouldn't be treated as second class citizens.

Starting to feel distinctly second-class here.
Yeah i missed the point on that. My apologies. Gotta do more research into the EU stuff ><. Sorry for being ignorant on that end.


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So, a 12 hour downtime window, but they're actually physically relocating the servers?

Right, soo... See you all in about 48 hours then (and that's being optimistic).


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You maybe missed the point. We used to have downtimes outside prime EU time. They got removed when the EU community stuff was folded into the US community stuff. We were repeatedly assured we wouldn't be treated as second class citizens.

Starting to feel distinctly second-class here.
Sorry, i actually dont feel that way (concerning the downtime side.. other stuff, yes i do).

Because strangely enough, we are *still* playing with some veterans of the game who have *always* seemed to end up with getting their game time screwed over the years, even as the developers change the downtime.

I *personally* think that any "short" downtime which ends before 4pm is a "good" downtime for the EU player base, but the ones that last much longer beyond that are bad for the EU playerbase.

*HOWEVER* the longer downtime periods, much harder to get a sensible timeframe on... and so i am not annoyed over them, i do get slightly tetchy over the "short" downtimes that overrun into EU peak time though by several hours.....


 

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Originally Posted by Lyrik View Post
For me Thursdays are the best days for maintenance but that's because I have my radio show on Thursday evening...guess I'm lucky.

But it sucks for all the other players that are effected by this ridiculously chosen schedule.
Thursdays are the worst for me because if the downtime goes longer than expected, my SG night doesn't happen.

Everyone has tight schedules and Thursdays are the only time where the few of us who are left actually get to spend time playing together.

But whaddayagonnado? Hopefully it'll stay on schedule.


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As excuses go, I think "Moving the servers. Yes, the physical ones" is a pretty good excuse

Then again, I have Gears 3 and Space Marine to keep me busy, along with nutty housemates. So, I'm sure I'll live


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As excuses go, I think "Moving the servers. Yes, the physical ones" is a pretty good excuse

Then again, I have Gears 3 and Space Marine to keep me busy, along with nutty housemates. So, I'm sure I'll live

Moving the servers could be done at any time.


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We certainly understand frustration with extended downtime, which is a reason we're starting this maintenance at 3:30 AM Central/1:30 AM Pacific/9:30 AM BST as opposed to our normal time of 6:30 AM Central. We will have staff working to support this, and continually monitoring once we bring the servers back online.

Another thing to consider is that as OCR, we never give you the estimate that Ops/Publishing/Engineering/Whatever gives us. We *always* significantly pad our estimates with additional time. So there is a chance the servers will be back online prior to what we estimated (there's also a chance it could go longer...that's just how these things work). With hardware upgrades, especially significant ones, we cannot rush things.

I understand there's been a more than the usual amount of maintenance for the last month or so. We've got a pretty significant change happening right now and we need to be sure that the servers can handle a huge influx of players; Not just for the Free players, but for *everyone*. It's important to us that your in game experience isn't going to be hugely impacted on a performance level when we open the doors to returning and free players, and as such we are making the necessary investments, such as hardware upgrades, to do everything within our power to ensure as much.

Thank you for bearing with us, thank you for your understanding and thank you for your continuing support.


Andy Belford
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Paragon Studios