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Posted on: 2011-09-09 24:19 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
That is correct. Costume slots purchased from the Market are global.
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Just noticed this bit:
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Originally Posted by Avatea
Multi-Level Invasions
Monday, September 19 - Union server Start: 11:00 a.m. PDT (2:00 p.m. EDT / 7:00 p.m. BST / 20:00 CEST) End: 1:00 p.m. PDT (4:00 p.m. EDT / 9:00 p.m. BST / 22:00 CEST) Tuesday, September 20 - Freedom server Start: 5:00 p.m. PDT (8:00 p.m. EDT / 1:00 a.m. BST / 2:00 CEST) End: 7:00 p.m. PDT (10:00 p.m. EDT / 3:00 a.m. BST / 4:00 CEST) Wednesday, September 21 - Vigilance server Start: 11:00 a.m. PDT (2:00 p.m. EDT / 7:00 p.m. BST / 20:00 CEST) End: 1:00 p.m. PDT (4:00 p.m. EDT / 9:00 p.m. BST / 22:00 CEST) Thursday, September 22 - Zukunft server Start: 11:00 a.m. PDT (2:00 p.m. EDT / 7:00 p.m. BST / 20:00 CEST) End: 1:00 p.m. PDT (4:00 p.m. EDT / 9:00 p.m. BST / 22:00 CEST) Friday, September 23 - Virtue server Start: 5:00 p.m. PDT (8:00 p.m. EDT / 1:00 a.m. BST / 2:00 CEST) End: 7:00 p.m. PDT (10:00 p.m. EDT / 3:00 a.m. BST / 4:00 CEST) |
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
While I agree that the costume slot price is perhaps a bit high, we should also keep in mind that the price is for newly-added slots 6-10, and slots 2-5 are still opened in the regular fashion. And if I'm not mistaken, each slot purchased from the Market opens the extra slot for every character, which may justify the cost.
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Originally Posted by Feycat
Oh, I'm aware of all of that. And I do appreciate it. It just seems pretty high to me to have a single slot cost as much as a whole new powerset. If all 5 new slots were opening for 800 points, I'd be overjoyed, but each single slot? Ouch.
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Originally Posted by Arctic Man
So, three out of four of the (former) EU servers (plus Freedom and Virtue) get invasions, but not the one I play on. Oh well, guess I won't have to worry about lag and such then. Not that it's a common concern anyway - during the last double xp weekend it was the only English speaking server I didn't see hit two yellow dots. Between around 20 established characters and a decent size SG base I've worked hard for, it doesn't look like I'm going anywhere anytime soon either. |
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Originally Posted by Arctic Man
Just noticed this bit:
So, three out of four of the (former) EU servers (plus Freedom and Virtue) get invasions, but not the one I play on. Oh well, guess I won't have to worry about lag and such then. Not that it's a common concern anyway - during the last double xp weekend it was the only English speaking server I didn't see hit two yellow dots. Between around 20 established characters and a decent size SG base I've worked hard for, it doesn't look like I'm going anywhere anytime soon either. |
Along with the person on Jury Duty, both myself and Tygrrfang will not be around for the headstart. **cries** Ok, so we'll be in Japan celebrating our first wedding anniversary, but we would have both liked to be here for the headstart!
Can't have everything though!
Not had time to read the thread (do that later), but if you have an up to date Beta client will there be a way to copy/change that to turn it into a live client. I hate the idea of re-downloading a huge amount of data that I functionally have already. :/
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Originally Posted by Lost Ninja
Not had time to read the thread (do that later), but if you have an up to date Beta client will there be a way to copy/change that to turn it into a live client. I hate the idea of re-downloading a huge amount of data that I functionally have already. :/
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
When you put it that way, it almost sounds like long-term subscribers aren't being completely screwed. Unfortunately, my annual renewal date is in April.
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Originally Posted by Thany144
Really? with all the toons you can have at once you think 10 bucks for a slot for all of them is expensive? I dont. Heck if I have 20 toons that $.50 a slot...............To me that seems a bargain.
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(ok this is gonna sound kinda rambling so work with me here)
As a mac user I sorta look at Head Start with mixed feelings. Namely I'm finially glad that it's finally coming out. But with a somewhat sour taste in my mouth of sorts.
First of all the good things.
Mac uses CAN play the game. I've been playing the Beta now for weeks on my mac and game-wise I've had little problems in both solo and team play. So actually running and playing the game as is should not be a problem here.
That is until the store comes up.
Us mac folks had to sit around watching the PC folks buy things from the store that we couldn't touch for a few weeks. The current fix, while somewhat crappy, isn't perfect, and still needs work can (with some 'trouble') be used by us mac folks. It may not be perfect but that (and future efforts on dealing with it) does show that CoX isn't just going do 'dump' us.
However this stuff does (for now) point out that we are a bit lower on the totum pole per say. Which will cause some sore feelings among some in the CoH mac crowd. After all no-one likes to feel 'second' rated. But as of now I think it shows were we mac folks stand.
So maybe it's time to show some consideration and efforts to 'nip' those feelings in the bud to CoH's mac folks when Head Start drops (with hopes for a fully functional mac store in the near future).
As for me. I like CoH warts and all. So I'm just gonna deal/cope with the problems, and keep on playing.
(though now dreading going thru the multiple toon 'resprec' dance again)
This all sounds great but I'm somewhat confused about the new power sets. Does this mean that even though I am VIP, I will still need to purchase the new powers sets, ie Beam Rifle? If so, I was under the impression that these were standard like Duels and Demon MM were when Rogue came out for subscribers. Just returned to playing and haven't caught up on everything that has happened yet. Requesting some clarification please.
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Originally Posted by Sabertalon
This all sounds great but I'm somewhat confused about the new power sets. Does this mean that even though I am VIP, I will still need to purchase the new powers sets, ie Beam Rifle? If so, I was under the impression that these were standard like Duels and Demon MM were when Rogue came out for subscribers. Just returned to playing and haven't caught up on everything that has happened yet. Requesting some clarification please.
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Originally Posted by Sabertalon
Does this mean that even though I am VIP, I will still need to purchase the new powers sets, ie Beam Rifle?
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Originally Posted by Captiosus
We get Time Manipulation free, but Beam Rifle is considered a "premium" power set that will cost 800 paragon points, regardless of whether you're a VIP, Premium Free or Standard Free player.
As I posted above, since we get an allotment of 400 points per month - more if you're tier 9 VIP - one can argue that it's still technically "free". Just "free" with the caveat that we're losing 800 points out of our annual 4800 allotment (or will have to buy extra points in a month to get it). |
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Originally Posted by Captiosus
To be honest, I really do not like how they are handling subscribing members, at all. When you do the math on it, we get the short end of the stick in terms of "value". Why are we being forced to buy "premium" power sets as if we're freemium or just plain free? Other free to play games give those to subscribers for being a subscriber. Sure, one can argue that we're getting free points so, in effect, we're still getting it for free, but considering we get a laughably small amount of points per month compared to someone who spends $15 a month on points alone (4800 points + 13 reward tokens vs. 14400 points + 12 reward tokens), it rubs me the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Yes. Just copy-paste the piggs file from beta installation to live installation. Delete the checksum and run the launcher to verify files.
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Originally Posted by Death_Badger
You also get incarnate access as a subscriber and the First Ward quests, and non subscribers get 2 character slots plus any they have opened compared to the 160+ that subscribers get.
Complaining about 'only' getting $5 worth of free points a month is ridiculous when comparing the other added benefits of being a subscriber |
I just went over the Freedom Friday answers, and I saw these:
@Gregory A Robbins: To get into the VIP head start, you must have an active subscription on September 13.
@Johnny Andre: The VIP head start will allow players who have active subscriptions on September 13 to access all of the features and content in Issue 21: Convergence on the Live servers, before the launch of City of Heroes Freedom!
@Hope Lefstein: The VIP Head Start will allow all players who have active subscriptions on September 13 to access Issue 21: Convergence content on all Live servers!
I was under the impression that once the head start starts then I21 and Freedom will be what's on the live server, so anyone who resubscribes at any point after that will play I21. So does "you must have an active subscription on September 13" just mean you must have it to start playing on the 13th, and newer subscriptions will also be a part of the head start if they start later, or is it like the beta, where anyone not subscribed at that particular point needed to go through support?
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Originally Posted by Captiosus
I knew someone was going to make that argument. Incarnate access is a perk, yes - it's a core part of the game and SHOULD be a perk for VIPs only. The same is true about First Ward because all of Praetoria is VIP only (for now), so First Ward isn't going to be any different.
As for character slots, that is a non argument because it goes right back to value. If you take the amount of slots I can have open right now should I go to Premium Free, I can have every single one of my 50s unlocked AND have room to spare. And they're purchasable with points, so if I wanted more, I could buy more. Just because I have 160 slots doesn't mean it is a value unless I'm using a majority of those 160 slots. None of this negates the fact that we're only getting a fraction of the points a freemium spending the same amount gets and then being told we have to pay out of that allotment, or pay extra, for what should be core additions to the game. One extra token per year doesn't cut it. Unfettered access to character slots we may or may not use doesn't cut it. Do what I did: Sit down and make a bullet point list of everything VIPs get versus everything Premium Free and Standard Free gets, then compare the costs given various situations. You'll find out that VIPs, despite what looks like great "benefits" continually get the shorter end of the stick when it comes to overall value, not just in terms of points allotted vs. points paid, unless you're in the 1 or 2% who have the highest possible veteran rewards and are overloaded with characters. |
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
[*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*
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I think, perhaps, I may not be making the crux of my argument clear.
Currently subscribers get all of the character slots, all of Praetoria, ans incarnate items. We're not gaining thwse things, we're retaining them. But we're now being asked to pay the same amount for things as non-subscribers.
Ergo, our $15 per month should provide the SAME amount of points as those who purchase them (since we're being asked to pay the exact same amount for equivalent core items) OR as VIPs, we shouldn't.have to pay for core additions, such as power sets, which justifies giving subscribers LESS points.
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Originally Posted by Captiosus
I knew someone was going to make that argument. Incarnate access is a perk, yes - it's a core part of the game and SHOULD be a perk for VIPs only. The same is true about First Ward because all of Praetoria is VIP only (for now), so First Ward isn't going to be any different.
As for character slots, that is a non argument because it goes right back to value. If you take the amount of slots I can have open right now should I go to Premium Free, I can have every single one of my 50s unlocked AND have room to spare. And they're purchasable with points, so if I wanted more, I could buy more. Just because I have 160 slots doesn't mean it is a value unless I'm using a majority of those 160 slots. None of this negates the fact that we're only getting a fraction of the points a freemium spending the same amount gets and then being told we have to pay out of that allotment, or pay extra, for what should be core additions to the game. One extra token per year doesn't cut it. Unfettered access to character slots we may or may not use doesn't cut it. Do what I did: Sit down and make a bullet point list of everything VIPs get versus everything Premium Free and Standard Free gets, then compare the costs given various situations. You'll find out that VIPs, despite what looks like great "benefits" continually get the shorter end of the stick when it comes to overall value, not just in terms of points allotted vs. points paid, unless you're in the 1 or 2% who have the highest possible veteran rewards and are overloaded with characters. |
| Praetoria is VIP only (for now), so First Ward isn't going to be any different. |
One thing that bugs me is seeing people say that if VIPs just wait two months, then the 800 point "premium" power sets are free. But that is only true if you don't want ANYTHING else at all from the store. And I think it is safe to say that almost every costume piece or perk is going to cost points to buy. And that too will be said to be fine, because VIPs will have 400 points a month to play with, so given enough patience, everything will be free.
But it really seems like not much will be free. IMO.
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Originally Posted by Captiosus
Do what I did: Sit down and make a bullet point list of everything VIPs get versus everything Premium Free and Standard Free gets, then compare the costs given various situations. You'll find out that VIPs, despite what looks like great "benefits" continually get the shorter end of the stick when it comes to overall value, not just in terms of points allotted vs. points paid, unless you're in the 1 or 2% who have the highest possible veteran rewards and are overloaded with characters.
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