Villians how to fix redside

Some would say that caving in skulls is a reward unto itself.

I thought that kind of mindless killer was the type a lot of red side players wanted to get away from?

I thought that you thought that that kind of mindset is what most redside players had?

I thought red side players wanted to be "glamorous", and have grand plans to increase their power?

In the advanced world of abstract mathematics, we have these confusing things called "fractions." These daunting constructs represent something called "division," where the doohickey on the bottom is called the "denominator" (which, I should probably point out, is not one of the Villain Archetypes). In cases where you need to, let's say, add two fractions with different denominators, the initial reflex may be to hyperventilate in a panicked frenzy. But! They can be solved if the fractions themselves are converted such that they're represented in terms of the same "divisor."

To put it another way, when you have big thingies broken into smaller thingies of different sizes, you can still know how many total thingies you have if the pieces are the same size.


The phrase "lowest common denominator," when used outside of the context of mathematics, usually refers to perceived mental capacity: it's used to describe the bare minimum threshold required to accomplish a task--or, in this case, understand a story arc--in the same way the lowest common denominator (also called the "least common multiple") is used to express fractions in like terms. If redside players are 1/2 and blueside 1/9, you'd have to dip down to 1/18 to compensate (since 18 is the smallest multiple that 2 and 9 have in common).

I don't want to give the impression that I believe players on either side to be inherently smarter or stupider. The joke was that the mental capacity of blueside players forced the quality of the Rikti War Zone arcs down to 1/18 so they would be on the same terms.

Hell, Techbot, you make some nasty choices AS A HERO. Not Resistance or vigilante, as a HERO, the one who's supposed to save everyone?
Well this is Praetoria, saving everyone is not possible, instead you send most of Noble Savage's men to their death's, you personally mind **** Katie back into the seer network, rack up a pretty nasty body count, and in the end you don't really resolve a damn thing besides stopping the IMMEDIATE destruction of what's left of the First Ward, but it's pretty damn clear that no matter what you do, the place is gonna fall apart on it's own anyway.
What? Did you think this was Sugar Town Paragon? No, it's Praetoria and you're shown what it's like to be a Responsibilities Loyalist and that you can't save jack here.
Oh, ans the Carnival of Light? Guess what? Twenty levels later, their leader dies and their membership has already been proven to be divided and beset at all sides from even the Resistance.

Clearly the next Incarnate trial is going to be nuking the entire dimension to hell because given what we've seen that's about the only HEROIC thing you can do for the place.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

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And you still persist in the idiotic belief that heroes and resistance are the same thing, I see. So... go be a hero and blow up a hospital or set off a nuke in the middle of the square to kill off an entire zone of innocents. Very heroic of you.

Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".

Grabbing for the moral high ground is a common rhetorical refuge of terrorists. It's part of their standard PR package.

In pvp there are no villains or heros as far as I'm concerned. I couldn't care less what I am as the whole point of a pvp game is to kill another player, not to be a goody goody or a villain.

Also the first paragraph doesn't really make any sense, as the VILLAINS in that game are just as popular as the heroes. People didn't rush out to see The Dark Knight for the riveting performance of the actor who played batman. We know why, and it was cause of the villain. Catwoman, Lex Luthor, Penguin, Riddler, and ofcourse the Joker just as popular as their heroic components in that universe. Especially after Justice League Unlimited various other DC television and comics properties.

And how does it even relate to here? Before this game, I didn't know one villain or hero in this game. So what does that have to do with childhood hero worship.

People in general prefer playing heroes. There's nothing the devs can do to change that.

Well, going by the repeatable faction contacts in First Ward, so do the game mechanics - anyone flagged as Resisatnce can also access the Hero contact there, and anyone flagged as loyalist can access the Villain contact - but Resistance players can't access the Villain contact, and loyalist players can't access the Hero contact - but that could just be another one of those "bugs"

And as for the contacts for the "neutral" zone storyline, the 1st is a sorceress from the Carnival of Light, the 2nd is a woman whose group are allied with the Resistance, the 3rd is an ex-loyalist guy who's joined the Resistance, the 4th is a woman who's a former unwilling servant of the empire who's now working against the loyalists, especially Mother Mayhem and the Seers, the 5th is an old shaman who's friendly with the Carnival of Light, the 6th is a wizard who works with the Carnival of Light, the 7th is a crazy but rather pathetic wizard who ultimately does something very good, and the 8th is Vanessa DeVore, the guiding force behind the entire Resistance movement, whose masterplan, according to her new bio, is to get the Wardens to take over the government form the inside.

By the end of the storyline, the player has helped the Resistance strengthen its position, and stopped the in-fighting that was endangering the fight against Tyrant and his loyalists

It's why Tyrant claims he's helping Primal Earth by invading it

Yeah that's some very heroic content there.

As usual I see GG doesn't know what she's talking about.

Oh, so you were taking a pot shot at the intelligence levels of blueside players. You see, I didn't even consider posters from our game were that critically judgemental of their own community. Of course I'm gonna be wrong but then I'm always wrong >_>

Yeah, annnnnnd please name the actions you did that got you there.

I'll say it again, I don't consider acts similar to blowing up a hospital "for the population's own good" to be heroic. Or are we saying the Joker from The Dark Knight was some awesome hero now?

YMMV.

Sad part is, it's not even that villainous since you're not the one actively causing a lot of the problems, the best you end up doing is rubbing some salt in it. From my play through of the First Ward, the underlined message is: "Lo the ultimate fate of Praetoria and despair."

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

That dimension is so joyous and full of roses and pink lillies, isn't it?

LOL

I think the "nuke the entire dimension from orbit" folks might be on to something.

It relates since I'm sure many players of this game at one point or another thought "Great now I get to play my own interpretation of those heroes I've grown up reading about"


Yes people prefer playing Heroes here, nothing the devs do will change the mind of those people. However there is a significant amount of people that would play Redside if it looked nicer or had more to do.

And why your fellow "Heroic" loyalists commit blatant acts of terrorism far worse than of the loyalist arcs. You want to support the resistance, that's fine. Just don't try to pretend it makes you a "hero". Many of the resistance members display far more blood lust than your average "villain".

Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".

The heroic option is to save the people there and set them free from the evil grip of Tyrant and the loyalists - guess which option the game is giving us?

And we get to beat up the ones who go too far - just like Heroes help Longbow, but also beat up the ones who become vigilantes

There's plenty of things to do on Redside. And not look nice? I think Redside looks good from a graphics point of view.

Or do you mean you want to see a city like Paragon, and not a civilization in the middle of a wasteland look?

If it's the last one, I have to ask. Would a city filled with villains (nevermind that I'm sure you have the villain who cares about the people) that outside of a few strict laws, are allowed to get away with anything they can manage to powerplay away from another, have a nice looking city to live in?

You're explaining the wrong side of it. A little reading comprehension would've given you the implication that I have a basic understanding of fractions. That's 1st Grade math - well, it was for me anyway.

Even assuming your initial fractions were correct it would come down to 2/18 not 1/18.

So what was 5th grade, polar transformations? *Snicker*

9/18 and 2/18 for the numbers given, but that's beside the point. We're just talking about the denominator.

I'm glad to see you understand fractions, though, even if you doing math isn't exactly on the topic of the thread.