Who is nuke-able?


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Ultron did survive a nuclear explosion when Jocasta tried to kill him...his adamantium body protected him.


 

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As mentioned, anyone with what I'll call "Superman-grade" invulnerability, no matter its origin, unless it happens to suffer from a vulnerability that would be found in the blast. (I'm not sure Martian Manhunter's durability would be up to a nuke, but even if it was, it might easily qualify for his [crappy] vulnerability to fire.)

Anyone with sufficient reality-warping abilities. Various sorcerer supreme types come to mind, as do sufficiently willful Green Lanterns, and a few people with reality warping mental powers. They can effectively wish themselves the ability to survive, or wish away the negative effects of the blast, if not the entire blast itself.

Anyone with sufficiently powerful force field abilities, of any origin or explanation. Examples might be Invisible Girl or post-Pheonix Jean Gray.

Anyone with sufficiently potent energy absorption powers might be able to "eat" the damaging energy. Stormwatch's Winter comes to mind, as does Vanth Dreadstar. I believe both actually survived nukes, though, IIRC, neither had to absorb the full force of the blasts. (The one that hit Vanth Dreadstar was significantly larger than what we're discussing, but he was not at the epicenter and was inside a magical force field.)

A few entities might be physically destroyed, but able to reform, even though reduced to constituent atoms. Most examples I can think of these who aren't some sort of cosmic entity or incarnate concept are people who have already have some sort of coherent gas, energy or otherwise incorporeal "body"


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Rogue took a near detonation.


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I think most of the 'heavies' in either of the big two could take a near hit - at the distance where concrete or steel are only heavily damaged instead of instantly vaporized you'd have a whole class of heroes who routinely prove themselves tougher than either.

For example, The Thing, Colossus, Iron Man, the Hulk, Thor

The direct hit crowd would be a LOT smaller, reserved for those renowned for being invulnerable or routinely deal with forces of a similar scale.

For example: Golden Age Superman, Silver Age Superman, most future versions of Superman, the Heralds of Galactus, Galactus himself, Thanos, Drax the Destroyer (in his big dumb green fun incarnation), Gladiator from the Shi'ar. Juggernaut sometimes.

Of course most of those fluctuate wildly depending on writer. Silver Surfer has both flown through stars AND been taken out by a single lightning bolt from Storm. Gladiator ranges from survive a supernova to winded by a charged deck of cards from Gambit to slugging it out with Colossus to no-selling direct hits from Juggernaut.


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The Plutonian likely could handle that (being essentially 'Superman'). Max Damage, depending on how long he's been awake could easily take a direct hit, although he'd be completely off his rocker from sleep deprivation at that point.

Ajax, from CoH Omega team likely could, since he's supposedly literally invulnerable to harm, and not just really tough.


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In the recent Deadpool #37, Wade Wilson gets the brilliant idea after talking with Wolverine about having the Hulk kill him so he can finally hook up with Death. Two nuclear devices get detonated on US soil because of Deadpool's latest madcap scheme.

The first nuclear device is attached to a pickup truck that Bruce Banner is driving when Deadpool detonates it. Banner survives the nuclear explosion and turns into a rather annoyed Hulk. At the end of #37 Hulk has a second nuclear device exploded in his face. That does nothing but annoy him further, although he still refuses to play let's kill Deadpool.

And finally in #39, Hulk has had enough and punches Deadpool's head into a pile of goo. Of course, Deadpool survives...

Both nuclear devices were detonated within a few feet of Banner (first time) and the Hulk (the second time). And this wasn't the Worldbreaker, but standard enraged Hulk.





 

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Miracleman (a.k.a. Marvelman) and Kid Miracleman survive a nuke in Moore's early run, but Miracleman Jr. did not.
At first it was stated that Jr died because he reflexively spoke his changeword exactly when the blast happened. Then I think that was retconned, but I'm not sure why it was supposed to have gotten through his force field after the retcon.


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Indiana Jones can as long as theirs a metal refridgerator nearby! Now you're thinking "Well then any hero could survive one" at which point I would say "Not true. Only Indy and Batman would likely think of it!"

Kitty Pryde got stuck in the center of the earth, I see no reason she couldn't survive a nuclear blast if she went intangible.

And of course all the Regenerators. I have no doubt Wolverine/Deadpool/Sabertooth/X-23 would survive it.


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Wasn't Wolverine's Galactus-level healing factor revealed to have been magically augmented and now he's back to only Highlander-level regeneration?

In any event: Wolverine, Sabertooth and X-23 may survive a nuke but their powers will likely be overtaxed and compensating for radiation sickness for some time. This was also shown in a Highlander comic where Duncan was on a nuke sub that went nuclear. Afterwards he was alive (somehow his head didn't come off) and was showing signs of constantly regenerating from rad. damage.

Superman can take a nuke, therefore so can Captain Marvel (Shazam version not Mar-Vell version)

A herald of Galactus would laugh at a nuke, so would the Juggernaut and THOR.

Way back in the classic Dreadstar comic, the combined powers of both Vanth Dreadstar and his sorceror friend Szygy Darklock enabled them to survive a nuclear attack. (They fled to the lowest levels of the city sewers, Szygy used his power for forcefield shielding and Vanth's sword can absorb transfinite amounts of energy.)

Red Hulk should be able to take a nuke, so should most Green versions of Banner_Hulk, but the Grey Hulk due his lower power base may have trouble.


 

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Depending on the Age, ie Golden, Silver, Modern, then some forms of Superman could. Indeed, Dark Knight Returns showed it happening, albeit it making him look like a skellington

I think Captain Marvel, Captain Atom, possibly Firestorm? He could transmute it?

And Batman of course, cos, well, he's Batman
Pretty much every incarnation of Superman can take a direct hit from a nuke. Even Byrne-era Superman, about the weakest status quo he's ever had, was specifically stated in the Who's Who entry with input from Byrne to be able to survive a nuclear blast at point-blank range. The only way that I could see for him not to survive is a time like immediately after his return from the Doomsday fight and "death", where he had been effectively-dead, then held in containment and had all of the energy that he was absorbing siphoned away by The Eradicator.

As was mentioned above, Firestorm has survived nukes. One of those during Ostrander's run effectively altered his matrix, replacing Martin Stein (believed dead at the time from cancer moments before the blast) with the Russian hero Pozhar. The new Firestorm immediately absorbed/reversed the nuclear blast.


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What is Gladiator's level of power from the Shi'ar Imperial Guard? It seems like he has the ability "if you think you can, you can." I seem to recall him doubting himself causing him to fail at one point.



 

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Harley Quinn and Lobo

Harley Quinn, while she can die she is banned from hell and as she is hell bound she can't "die".

Lobo, while he can die he is banned from hell and heaven and regenerates.


 

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Sebastian Shaw.


 

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Blok and Wildfire are pretty much guaranteed nuke survivors (from LSH). Ultra Boy in invulnerability mode probably could as well.

I'd say the Captain Marvel who could turn into any EM spectrum energy would ignore a nuke.

Of course then there's Mogo, and Ego, but then it's a matter of scale there.


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Indiana Jones can as long as theirs a metal refridgerator nearby! Now you're thinking "Well then any hero could survive one" at which point I would say "Not true. Only Indy and Batman would likely think of it!"

Kitty Pryde got stuck in the center of the earth, I see no reason she couldn't survive a nuclear blast if she went intangible.

And of course all the Regenerators. I have no doubt Wolverine/Deadpool/Sabertooth/X-23 would survive it.
I don't know where Wolvie's power level is now, but just before he became Marvel's go-to bad-*** in the end of the 80's, he got skeletonized by a blast from a Sentinel in Days of Future Present. Granted it was a an alternate future, older (but what's a couple of decades to him?) version of Wolvie, and like I said, just before his mainstream break-out in popularity, but he *was* dead, and I'm sure Sentinel's aren't packing the beam weapon equivalent of tac-nukes.

Deadpool can't die, period, even if he didn't have regen powers. Thanos is jealous of his relationship with Death, and made him immortal so that Wade and Death could never be together again.... Wow...seeing that written out suddenly it seems *really* weird...I'd always just accepted it before. heh.


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According to 616 cannon Wolverine was for a time unkillable. Every time he died, as long as there was a single cell left Wolvrine would fight "death" and if he won he would fully regen where as currently can't do this for some reason and thus is killable.

Ultimate X-Men he's dead, killed via some trickery i don't know about yet and i highly doubt he could have survived a nuke.


 

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According to 616 cannon Wolverine was for a time unkillable. Every time he died, as long as there was a single cell left Wolvrine would fight "death" and if he won he would fully regen where as currently can't do this for some reason and thus is killable.

Yeah, that was a concept from the 90's.


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Sebastian Shaw.
A more general question about this guy, for someone with more technical superhero knowledge than me- is there a limit to Shaw's energy-absorbing abilities, or can he absorb a theoretically infinite amount? If there is some limit, 13 kilotons of force might surpass it. Does he have to "brace himself" before absorbing a lot of energy? In a related issue, can he turn his ability "on and off," or does he always absorb energy, whether he likes it or not? And if he's always absorbing it, how does he do everyday things that require a character to act and be acted on by simple, Newtonian physics, like walking? I've always found Shaw's powers interesting, ever since I first read about them in the '80's, but the more I think about them, the more confusing they get.


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A more general question about this guy, for someone with more technical superhero knowledge than me- is there a limit to Shaw's energy-absorbing abilities, or can he absorb a theoretically infinite amount? If there is some limit, 13 kilotons of force might surpass it. Does he have to "brace himself" before absorbing a lot of energy? In a related issue, can he turn his ability "on and off," or does he always absorb energy, whether he likes it or not? And if he's always absorbing it, how does he do everyday things that require a character to act and be acted on by simple, Newtonian physics, like walking? I've always found Shaw's powers interesting, ever since I first read about them in the '80's, but the more I think about them, the more confusing they get.

I don't know that they've ever gotten into the nuts and bolts of his ability. It's an always on thing, afaik. He can walk, so apparently not 100% of the energy is absorbed and converted into augmenting his physical abilities.


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Shaw is a mutant with the unique ability to absorb energy and use it to augment his strength, speed, stamina and recuperation capabilities to superhuman levels. He absorbs the energy of any blow he is struck by, including not only physical strikes, but also bullets (both are forms of mostly kinetic energy), and less successfully, concussive energy beams; notably Cyclops' optic blasts. By absorbing enough blows from an opponent, Shaw can surpass the strength level of said opponent and then overpower them. Whether it is possible for him to reach Hulk-level strength is unknown, but he has, in the past, been known to overpower Colossus who is close to 100 ton strength level. He is sometimes shown to be capable of absorbing the cutting, piercing and thrusting energy from a blade which makes it exceedingly difficult to cut or stab him with sharp edged weapons. While Shaw is highly resistant to injury, especially kinetic ones, even he can be damaged by powerful enough blows.
Without any absorbed energy, Shaw is merely a strong ordinary human in excellent physical condition, but regularly works to keep his strength at a superhuman level. In one instance, he was shown to spend time hitting a wall after waking in order to build up his power reserves before starting the day. It is not known how long these power levels can be maintained without absorbing more energy. If Shaw is captured and bound so he could not move at all, he could certainly be detained.
Shaw also can forgo sleep if he receives enough energy. Often he will have his mercenaries pummel him so that he need not sleep for some time. As a way of aiding himself in combat, Shaw is adept at taunting, and will not let enemies realize his power until they have hit him one too many times. Members of the X-Men have learned the best way to defeat him is to remove him from the field of battle. The most dramatic example of which was when Rogue threw him hundreds of feet directly up into the air and away from the fight, essentially temporarily defeating him. It is not known if other human limits apply to Shaw, such as, among other things, whether he can be hurt or killed from drowning or from a lack of air.
Shaw is, however, vulnerable to being incapacitated, or being attacked psionically. During the "Dark Phoenix" story arc where the X-Men first encountered Shaw and the Hellfire Club, after realizing that direct physical battle was not working, Storm dramatically lowered the temperature of the room to sub-arctic conditions, temporarily causing Shaw to flee and recuperate. While it did not take Shaw out of the battle for long, it was just enough to turn the tide of their battle. Shaw has also been overloaded by being struck by lightning and by falling a great distance when his mass was increased.


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Ok, if a lightning bolt can overload Shaw, a nuke is surely out of his level of ability.


 

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Lots of good choices so far, but remember its all about the writer. You would think Captain Marvel would be fine with it but if you have read Kingdom Come you would know better, in fact quite a few didn't make it.

Yes I know Kingdom Come was a elseworlds, but they have said it is in the current dc timeline just in the future, but again with the Reboot today who knows anymore.


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Yeah, that was a concept from the 90's.
Hey now. His fighting death was a concept from the 2000's


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Ok, if a lightning bolt can overload Shaw, a nuke is surely out of his level of ability.
Yeah, he can absorb the concussive force, but the heat and radiation would kill him.


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