What would you do to make Keyes fun?

re: entanglement removal.

So does it makes melee useless because it forces people to stay away or do people ignore it? I see both arguments here and they're kinda opposites.

Personally I've never seen it dent the health of my invul brute, or any other melee players for that matter, even when all clustered around Anti.

The only time I've ever seen it make a significant impact on my health was when my corruptor was enclosed by 4 opposing entanglements during a time stop.

So I'd say that most people ignore entanglements. Then why put time and effort into removing it if people ignore it anyway. I really don't see the point in spending the resources on that. I think it does what it's designed to do: be a minor nuisance and add a bit of flavor.

Personally, I really enjoy Keyes, just wish people would run it more often. The only problems I find are some oddities in the boss fight (such as being struck during the time freeze and the difficulty in telling who is affected by what).

Then I suggest you read this thread again, as players have said that even raising the rewards won't convince them to play Keyes.

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I love the Keyes trial! I ran it a bunch of times when it first came out, for the badges. I was on a blaster, so as you an imagine, our Anti-Anti-Matter run was tedious at best. But our primary concerns were not being killed by the pulses, rather it was controlling our own AoE abilities so as not to kill Anti-Matter. The trial is not friendly to pick-up-groups, in the same sense that not all task forces are conducive to pick-up-groups. I don't view Keyes in the same vein as BAF or Lambda. While those trials seem to be designed for repetition where as the Keyes trial seems to be more suited to be run occasionally, for the challenge and experience of running it or for the badges. I agree with the dev's decision to increase the reward.

Keyes, in my experience, is the only trial where failure is common. BAF and Lambda nowadays are run so often that most players can complete it perfectly without instruction. I would like to see it remain the same, so that it is still as challenging as it is today.

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I'm all about ROI, Return on Investment. In this case, the Investment is my time. If I'm bothering to slot up a character significantly, that means T3s all around, and T4s for my badgers. I unlock all my slots without needing to spend Astral merits on iXP while earning iSalvage, so the real question is how to most efficiently earn iSalvage. That's my view of fun. The answer is BAFs, with LAMs being a close second. Keyes doesn't come close. Bumping it up to 2 Emp Merits is insufficient. It would need to drop 2 bits of iSalvage to be worthwhile. Better BY FAR would be to reduce the time it takes to be comparable to a BAF or LAM.

As to fun for other people, Keyes needs to be made simpler. The instructions for a BAF can be given in a single statement. "Kill mobs, kill Nightstar, kill prisoners, kill Siege, kill Nightstar and Siege AT THE SAME TIME!!!!! If you get 2 Warnings, back off." Except for the Prisoners, everyone is together doing the same thing. The LAM is a bit more complex, but still not too bad. "Kill mobs outside, inside, turrets, robot, team 1 acid, team 2 grenades, acid all but 2 doors, grenades to main tanker, spank Marauder, watch out for his Nova Fist." Teams split up during the sabotage phase, but otherwise everyone is together. Keyes has lots of people splitting up, constant damage from his pulse, 3 different reactors with different cell gathering and activation methods, and a mob you DON'T want to damage. Finally, there are too many gimicks on the final AV fight. You can't effectively use your character while watching the Obliteration timer and checking for Entanglement and Disintegration. It's a very steep learning curve.

Keyes uses too many cheats to make it challenging. The periodic whole-zone unresistable auto-hit pulse is a periodic cheat, cheat, cheat attack. Increasing the pulse damage if Keyes is damaged is a cheat to limit pets and AoEs. Requiring Keyes to be by the terminals plus no Warworks around is a cheat delaying tactic. EVERYWHERE else in the game, you can click on a glowie as long as the mobs nearby are distracted by someone else, or just lead a hostage to it to complete it. Stop Time is a cheat that makes Obliteration or Disintegration much more dangerous. Entanglement is a failed cheat to keep people apart so they don't benefit from buffs. In contrast, the BAF has the 10 second dual-kill timer and sequestering, while the LAM has Nova Fist.

Well, I guess we could deal away with Entanglements too. It's just another minor annoyance.

With only reading bits and pieces of what people could feel make Keyes better, in their opinion.The one change they should do to make Keyes better?

Make BAF and Lambda more on par with Keyes difficulty.

I think Keyes is fun already. Going for its badges, though...not so much.

I enjoy Keyes just fine the way it is. It definitely takes longer to get the hang of than the other trials, and there's quite a lot to keep an eye on in the final fight, but I like to have something different to do. It's run reasonably often on Defiant.