What would you do to make Keyes fun?

Keyes is unfortunately a bit of a lost cause to me. I won't say I'll never do it again, but it is definitely not something I want to get involved with again soon. Maybe if I was guaranteed at least a Rare drop. But that's only because the standard random roll for salvage bit makes me so irritated with the game that just writing about it makes me want to rage quit. I'll just say that running this thing 3 times and getting an Uncommon every time just reinforces my negative opinion of it and the incarnate system overall. It's not so much that the mission itself is horrible as that this style of mission is unsuitable (to me) to be mainline task. If it were just some sideshow like the Cathedral of Pain I wouldn't really care how it worked.

PS so that I'm not totally negative: the new low level sewer mini-raid is quite good and by far my favorite of the trials thus far.

Just a brief notion that came to mind: what if the Anti-Matter Pulse knocked off a percentage of your remaining health rather than a percentage of your total health? One of my pet peeves with this trial is suffering a near knockout from an enemy only to be finished off by the pulse before I can heal.

Here are some of the things I posted as soon a Keyes started:

• Make the disintegration FX _much_ bigger like a big sprite ring with a vertical spike to give people a chance to notice. Also its a signature power, it deserves to look impressive.
• Set up a "no other special abilities" flag or self-buff power that fires at the start of Disintegration and Obliteration beam that last for the duration of the power to prevent them overlapping with each other and with the time-freeze, when these overlap you get potentially unavoidable deaths which is not fun at all
• Put FX on the terminals, blue aura when uncharged, red when locked, have the blue stack x3 with uncharged so that one layer is removed per charge
• Make the Gamma pulse FX fade in and out a little slower, there have been time I've blinked and missed it not realising that my heath is now <50%
• Make Anti-Matters regeneration either pause a little before it starts or ramp up (then level off) to give people time to scramble over there
• I'd scrap the entanglement schtick, it penalises Melee too much (Oh just thought, alternate option: if there was something other than AM that the players could wail on that would help in the battle, like if the regen terminals could be pre-damaged a bit (before the timestops happened), that would give one of the entanglement halves something to do rather than just move away from their opposites)

I'm still hoping that, when the rewards are upped, I can find someone that wants to run it. I had one nibble here on the boards, but it evaporated.

I have yet to run *one* Keyes. Tons of BAFs and Lambdas, but not a single Keyes. No one is interested.

Almost as frustrating: getting out the hospital door, and getting no further than 50 feet away from the door when one is killed YET AGAIN. This can happen multiple times.

After about four of those, my incentive to even try to help my team is just about gone. This trial is *all about* intentional frustration of the player, and that is just not enjoyable.

I can deal with difficulty, such as the Apex TF which by now is easy for me. Keyes is just crap, and yeah.... just... crap.

Keyes to me is the anomaly of the Trials and TF's thus far. There's usually a period of requisite byotching once something new comes live, and then three-four weeks later, we're getting tells for speed runs and duo runs.

Keyes isn't like that . Its much harder to crack. The coordination level is much more difficult, and teamwork is an absolute must.

So, in that vein, I would not recommend a change to the Trial. Hard stuff is hard because it is hard. What I WOULD recommend is a commensurate reward . People run BAF's and LAM's b/c they can be done in their sleep at this point. Keyes needs red bull and caffene. So if you want to see more peeps attempt the Trial, more carrot . Don't do anything with the stick.

I would design a different option option so I never have to touch it.

More directly, though, Keyes is a good piece of content to do so you can say you accomplished it. A good thing to have with a badge just for finishing so people who need to brag can do so and people who want to see if they can accomplish something can give it a go.

It is terrible for something you need to repeat a dozen times.

It is designed and operates like an event, not like the grind that it is supposed to be.

I enjoy Keyes as it is, but have thought that it deserved an added completion bonus since launch. The 1 Emp (then 1 astral if you do it again) is a pretty good bump.

An interesting thing about the new Undeground Trial is that while it gives insane amounts of both types of IXP, it also has things happening in the final fight that can wipe out an entire league in one go.
Some early calculations from the beta suggested that a player could open both Lore and Destiny with only 4-5 runs of it - but that could be balanced out by the bigger chance of failure, and the fact that the fewer runs there are, the fewer end reward tables there are to give the salvage needed to fill the slots.