Rise of the planet of the Apes
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Posted on: 2011-08-04 23:34 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Looks like an awesome movie, though I am debating whether I should wait until it gets to Netflix to watch it or just go ahead and spend the money and go watch it at the local Movie Studio Grill. But I am definately going to watch the other Planet of the Apes movies again.
I think they should have experimented on Pugs instead of Monkeys. This would have happened instead. :'(
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Another in a long line of Hollywood remakes because they can't find anything original to do. Thanks but I'll wait for it to be tossed in a super market bargain bin. I don't care how good it is.
About the only thing that has me interested in seeing this one is that Caesar in this movie is "CGI acted" by Andy Serkis who of course did such a great job as Gollem in LotR. The remake of Planet of the Apes a few years ago was such a disappointment that I'm naturally leery of this new one, but we might eventually end up going to see a cheap matinee of it sometime.
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Yeah Andy's performance is probably my only real interest in this flick. He was amazing as Gollem but still not enough to get me to pay theatre prices for a remake.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
About the only thing that has me interested in seeing this one is that Caesar in this movie is "CGI acted" by Andy Serkis who of course did such a great job as Gollem in LotR. The remake of Planet of the Apes a few years ago was such a disappointment that I'm naturally leery of this new one, but we might eventually end up going to see a cheap matinee of it sometime.
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The premise is too lame for me to bother with. Maybe I'll bother via Netflix.
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I dug it.
Just as importantly - Freida Pinto... easy on the eyes, to say the least. Movies need more Freida.
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I remember when I first saw the trailer for this movie I became wary. "Going back to a dry well" blah blah. But, then I saw this trailer before Cowboys and Aliens. Totally reshaped my perception about what this movie was going to be, and I'm definitely seeing it this weekend.
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I thought it was more of a pre-quel, than a remake, but I lost track of the original series after the second or so...was there one where they showed how the apes took over, like this one does?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yeah Andy's performance is probably my only real interest in this flick. He was amazing as Gollem but still not enough to get me to pay theatre prices for a remake.
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This new movie is a relatively direct remake of the -fourth- original movie Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.|
Originally Posted by Furio
I thought it was more of a pre-quel, than a remake, but I lost track of the original series after the second or so...was there one where they showed how the apes took over, like this one does?
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The FAQ at IMDB suggests that this is not actually a prequel to the most recent film. It's a reboot that's telling the story from the beginning instead of from the end.
There are no citations anywhere so it's not clear how much of the FAQ is fact and how much is opinion.
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Frankly the more any Planet of the Apes movie disassociates itself from the 2001 remake the better. |
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
The FAQ at IMDB suggests that this is not actually a prequel to the most recent film. It's a reboot that's telling the story from the beginning instead of from the end.
There are no citations anywhere so it's not clear how much of the FAQ is fact and how much is opinion. |
Strictly speaking Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) wasn't even really a clear-cut prequel to the original Planet of the Apes (1968). In the original Planet of the Apes the human race had nuked itself out of existance allowing the apes to evolve unopposed. But in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes humans had created a race of apes that were being used as slave labor. The slave apes eventually revolted and supposedly went on to destroy human society in open warfare.
Basically every Planet of the Apes movie seems to tweak the overall story a bit to suit its purposes.
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James Franco, John Lithgow, genetically altered super apes taking over the world! Sold!Sold!Sold!
I'm gonna go see this tomorrow.
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Meh remake, reboot, prequel I don't care what they call it. It's still not an original idea.
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Originally Posted by Furio
I thought it was more of a pre-quel, than a remake, but I lost track of the original series after the second or so...was there one where they showed how the apes took over, like this one does?
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Okay I'm going from just memory here without checking my facts but I thought it went like this.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Frankly the more any Planet of the Apes movie disassociates itself from the 2001 remake the better.
Strictly speaking Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) wasn't even really a clear-cut prequel to the original Planet of the Apes (1968). In the original Planet of the Apes the human race had nuked itself out of existance allowing the apes to evolve unopposed. But in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes humans had created a race of apes that were being used as slave labor. The slave apes eventually revolted and supposedly went on to destroy human society in open warfare. Basically every Planet of the Apes movie seems to tweak the overall story a bit to suit its purposes. |
Cornelius and Zira were using one of the crashed ships when the Alpha/Omega Bomb exploded in BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES which sent them back in time. While there Zira had a child who was hidden in a traveling circus. That child grew up to be Caesar who led the now domesticated apes in revolt and out of the cities into the abandoned countryside. I thought the nuclear holocaust occurred after that revolt.
It did. It may also have instigated it as other nations used it as a pretense to attack.
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If the only green-lit movies were "original ideas" then I'm guessing there would be next to 0 movies ever made in a year, not to mention 0 books, 0 records, 0 plays.
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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
If the only green-lit movies were "original ideas" then I'm guessing there would be next to 0 movies ever made in a year, not to mention 0 books, 0 records, 0 plays.
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Get over yourself. There's never really been original ideas. Everything's borrowed from, inspired by, a retelling of, or a continuation of something else.
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Yeah, I'd forgot about Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (actually, I had confusingly thought that was an edit-into-a-movie of the TV series) but I'd remembered the events of Beneath... and Escape From the Planet of the Apes. I was trying to think how this film fit with Escape From... and now understand it totally rewrites who Caesar was.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Okay I'm going from just memory here without checking my facts but I thought it went like this.
Cornelius and Zira were using one of the crashed ships when the Alpha/Omega Bomb exploded in BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES which sent them back in time. While there Zira had a child who was hidden in a traveling circus. That child grew up to be Caesar who led the now domesticated apes in revolt and out of the cities into the abandoned countryside. I thought the nuclear holocaust occurred after that revolt. |
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
^ This.
Get over yourself. There's never really been original ideas. Everything's borrowed from, inspired by, a retelling of, or a continuation of something else. |
Plant of the Apes lore happens this way...
roughly 1-2000 years ago (i think) a disease plagued the pets of mankind killing off Cats and Dogs. Humans turn to "apes" as pets and then as time goes on they begin using them as more slaves and educating them more. They develop the ability to speak and eventually Caesar arises and starts to lead a revolt against humans.
From this point mankind attacked the apes and each other with a few humans taking refuge underground in a closed off protected city. Humans above ground either die out or are enslaved as apes rise and subdue the various pockets of mankind above ground left and over the long run this causes humans to stop gathering in communities as much and they lose language.
This all fits together because Caesar being from a more advanced lineage would be smarter and thus more able to advance such ideas as a revolution would entail.
The point that doesn't fit is that the two apes come to the past and are all over the news and tell what happens. This being the case man wouldn't let those events to take place and as such it makes the idea that it still does happen pretty ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Okay I'm going from just memory here without checking my facts but I thought it went like this.
Cornelius and Zira were using one of the crashed ships when the Alpha/Omega Bomb exploded in BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES which sent them back in time. While there Zira had a child who was hidden in a traveling circus. That child grew up to be Caesar who led the now domesticated apes in revolt and out of the cities into the abandoned countryside. I thought the nuclear holocaust occurred after that revolt. |
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
It did. It may also have instigated it as other nations used it as a pretense to attack.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Plant of the Apes lore happens this way...
roughly 1-2000 years ago (i think) a disease plagued the pets of mankind killing off Cats and Dogs. Humans turn to "apes" as pets and then as time goes on they begin using them as more slaves and educating them more. They develop the ability to speak and eventually Caesar arises and starts to lead a revolt against humans. From this point mankind attacked the apes and each other with a few humans taking refuge underground in a closed off protected city. Humans above ground either die out or are enslaved as apes rise and subdue the various pockets of mankind above ground left and over the long run this causes humans to stop gathering in communities as much and they lose language. This all fits together because Caesar being from a more advanced lineage would be smarter and thus more able to advance such ideas as a revolution would entail. The point that doesn't fit is that the two apes come to the past and are all over the news and tell what happens. This being the case man wouldn't let those events to take place and as such it makes the idea that it still does happen pretty ludicrous. |
Bottomline it doesn't really bother me that newer movies like Rise of the Planet of the Apes may not strictly stick to an established timeline because that franchise is already a little loose with the facts to begin with. I'm not even going to try to explain the 1970s PotA TV show in with the rest of this.
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Taken all together, the PotA series has a lovely time travel story. What's even more interesting is that decades later physicists working on wormholes determined that they not only allowed for travel through space but also through time. And the really amazing thing was that the result of a lot of math I don't understand but they say works is that causality goes out the window.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
That's pretty much why I didn't bother to mention the Cornelius and Zira time travel loop in my last post when talking about the "continuity" of the Planet of the Apes timeline. As we all know when you introduce time travel into a sci-fi storyline things usually get fuzzy and paradox-y.
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Causality, for those unfamiliar with the term, is "cause and effect." Heat water -> water boils.
The most famous time travel conundrum is known as the Grandfather Paradox. It has variations but the idea is this: if you go back in time and kill your grandfather, you will not exist. Therefore you can't go back in time and kill your grandfather. Gentler variations involve keeping your grandparents from meeting or your parents from meeting, et cetera.
Wormhole time travel, however, uncouples cause from effect. So if you kill your grandfather, you don't cease to exist: you're still there, you're still you and you still committed murder. (Or chronograndfratricide as it were.) The future continues on without your family forming the way it would have, but your memories still exist.
Which is totally weird, but they say the numbers bear it out.
The cool thing is that the time travel scenario in PotA is pretty much this except in reverse: the future apes exist because the descendants of Caesar went back in time and begat Caesar. That's a closed loop. However, it seems that *something* went astray from the original timeline, because apes and humans don't end up as adversaries, but rather as cohabitants in a new civilization.
Or do they? Dun dun dun.
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Bottomline it doesn't really bother me that newer movies like Rise of the Planet of the Apes may not strictly stick to an established timeline because that franchise is already a little loose with the facts to begin with. I'm not even going to try to explain the 1970s PotA TV show in with the rest of this.
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Speaking as the guy who hates everything, I have to say that I loved Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
I mean, a sci-fi summer blockbuster which actually takes the time to develop not just the plot but also multiple characters? What were those people thinking? Don't they know it's supposed to be all Baysplosions all the time?
The movie takes the usual story beats and mixes them with smartness and a really tight plot and comes up with something that is altogether entertaining where you *don't* have to turn your brain off at the door. The motivations of everyone -- from scientists to corporate goons to regular folks to skeevy losers to apes -- are clearly delineated and they ring true. The overarching story hinges on a specific character motivation that you don't find out about until after meeting all the protagonists. Once that groundwork has been laid, everything after that makes perfect sense. The plot hinges on a specific instigating factor and it all proceeds logically from that starting point.
For fans of the series there are a huge number of nudges. I'll only spoil one of the two really obvious ones: they call Caesar's mom "Bright Eyes." Which of course is what Zira called Taylor in the original movie. There are a number of similar references sprinkled throughout. Pay close attention to names. This sort of thing really underscores that it's a labor of love, something that comes through.
I'd really like to know how the screenplay came about, because the credited screenwriters have turned out something that I would not have expected given their history. They wrote The Relic, which was four kinds of terrible, as well as Eye For An Eye which is so forgettably bad I had to re-read the description twice before remembering I'd actually seen it.
My recommendation: see it in the theatre.
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Just got back from it. It was pretty damn good. I'm glad they decided to have the more narrow focus of Caesar's journey rather than let it encompass the entire story of how apes came to rule the planet. Andy Serkis did a great job as always. I'm not sure if he did all of the apes, but they managed to give character to the ones that called for it. I hope other folks go to see it; it has what a lot of summer movies skimp on in favor of explosions and effects: imagination and heart.
And yes, Freida Pinto is damn easy on the eyes. 
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Just came back from a midnight showing. I went in thinking meh, but came out wowed. It was really a great movie, and I wont spoil anything but there is a reversal of an iconic speech that had the people in the theater floored, including me. Going back tomorrow with my nephew, a real summer movie surprise.