Rise of the planet of the Apes

They aren't 10k apes in the city. There are a couple dozen at first, until Caesar manages to release all the other captive apes in the area (zoos, labs, private ranges).

Yeah, you need to get the "revolt" thing out of your head. This is a prison break movie. The apes don't take over the planet. I won't tell you how it's done, but stay for the ending title sequence. It's scary and shows exactly how it happens. I can't even think of another time off-hand where the story was continued *by* the closing credits.

Aside from a few minor quibbles, such as Freida Pinto's mostly-pointless character, this is a really solid science fiction movie.

The good news is that you're wrong about that. There are over 3,000 chimps in captivity in the United States alone. It's not exactly a difficult feat to engage one's willing suspension of disbelief to accept there might be a sanctuary, a zoo and a lab with enough apes to create the small group of apes we see in the movie.

Too bad there's very little of that in the movie. You won't get to rant at that when you see it. People are shown to have a variety or responses and behaviors, from kindness to cruelty, gentleness to buttheadedness, and the apes do, too.

Let me be clear: THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS.

Really, take my word on this, the movie is way better than you think it is, and far superior to the trailers. That's why so many critics are responding positively and so many viewers are talking it up. Me and Cap'n Foamy are in agreement on this, doesn't that tell you something?

The correct word is dimension or timeline. Universe is a bad word to use because it has too many similar meanings that conflict with it's proper meaning.

here can't be an our universe and their universe and everything be in "the" universe v.v

Not to nitpick but in the original timeline, it wasn't Caesar who led the rebellion because he wasn't there. It was Aldo, who becomes the antagonist of the final film.

Given the state of the world and the human/ape society at the close of the series, it isn't at all clear that the timeline where Taylor arrives in the future even exists any more. Presumably, that's a good thing given that Taylor inadvertently destroys the world...

It's not really a causality loop. It's more of a re-routing of the time stream.

It's a time travel story where the past is freely mucked with and no thought or justification is offered as to how that is possible. If you need to think about it very hard then you can always adopt the "universe next door" hypothesis.

I've sometimes wondered what Taylor's reception in the new timeline would be like. Caesar must have viewed recordings of his parents testimony at some point. What sort of preparations would he make, knowing that this man from the past might show up at some arbitrary time in the future? If the new society held together and prospered, maybe it wouldn't matter. If there were men living alongside of apes, perhaps he wouldn't become the threat he ultimately proved to be.

None of which has anything to do with the new movie. heh

It sounds like the new film has an interesting take on the whole business.

Every single physicist who has ever commented on the multiple universes theory disagrees with you. Just sayin'.

Ok, I misspoke. I should have said great apes as in the larger ones like Gorillas. At any rate if it's more of a jail break sort of thing that makes it more plausible. But all the trailers make it look like an army of apes going up against an army of people. Imagine that, trailers being misleading. I'm shocked.

I could easily accept a James Bond or even A-Team of apes breaking out of a city. Just not an army. But those apes are going to have to do one heck of a lot of breeding to create a force large enough to take over the country. Currently the odds are only about 100,000 to 1. Maybe only 50000 to 1 if you count spider monkeys and reality show contestants.

I'll still probably wait till it comes to cable though.

You should go see it. It's a lot better than you're imagining.

wut

Then the trailers painted a pretty poor picture of the film. But, they were trailers, so ill grant the movie may be a lot different then marketed. It still doesn't make me want to spend money to go see it.

The term 'original remake' may be an oxymoron, but this film deserves the title. It has almost nothing to do with the other Planet of the Ape films. It's a new and original story, completely plausible, with excellent characters.

It's a shame the other films gave people such prejudice against this one. I thought this was a great film. I hope Serkis gets an Oscar; he deserves one.

So you're trying to discourage me from seeing it by telling me it's a retcon from the classic storyline we all know and loved? Like what they did to ruin Battlestar Galactica.

Well despite the bad review you've just given it. (I hate retcons) I'm still going to wait until it's released on DvD and form my own opinion.

I usually leave opinions alone, they are what they are and how silly I personally find them isn't going to change anything. But I do have to question this, you really believe BSG was ruined? Some cheeseball ripoff of Wagon Train meshed with Star Wars was ruined?

I won't even get into my own view of the new take on the show, I'm certainly fine that someone doesn't like a show I'm quite fond of, but it's really perplexing that someone could think of the old show as even possible to ruin. For your sake I hope they don't reenvision Manimal, lest they "ruin" that too for you.

Ummm...what?

Caesar led the revolt in the 4th movie.
In the 5th movie there was an ape revolt against Caesar and a man revolt as well.

And no there is no "mucking around" the writer makes the specifically clear in interviews. The events that happen are in a closed loop. The director says that the tear from Caesar at the end of the 5th movie is a tear of happiness, but the writer who wrote the scene says it is a tear of sadness knowing that he hadn't changed the future... the future he knows about due to watching the archives of his parents telling the story.

lol

If that's supposed to be an insult you failed miserably. Next time try picking a movie or show that people might actually recognize. The original BSG may not have lasted long but people have heard of it.

The mucking around happens by Cornelius and Zira showing up in the past. Before that, it was Aldo who was the first to speak and say "No". That was Cornelius reciting history as he knew it. Now, you can argue that he was wrong and that he didn't know the true history, but there's only a shaky basis for making that argument. Caesar wasn't there to lead a revolt before Cornelius and Zira did their time traveling. It's NOT a closed loop, unless you want to believe that Caesar somehow accomplished a grand cover-up of his own role in history. Or maybe the Orangs did it the same way they tried to coverup the history of the Forbidden Zone. It's a whole lot of hand-waving to make that work. Never mind that we see the Lawgiver telling his story to a mixed society of humans and apes instead of an all-ape society.

As for the writer saying that,I suppose he's welcome to his opinion, but what was filmed and edited to create the story was a final chapter in which the apes and humans came to a compromise and were living together at the end. How that leads inevitably to the state of affairs in Taylor's future, I can't even begin to imagine, no matter what the scriptwriter intended or desired. The screenwriter is only one small part of a film and not the most important part by any means. He doesn't get the final say about what it all "really" means.

Lol, no insult intended, if you felt one was given that's all on you. If you're unfamiliar with "Wagon Train", "Manimal" or "Star Wars" well, I can't begin to be responsible for your depth of knowledge (or lack thereof) of the tv/movie media.

eh, i wouldnt go that far. The first 2 movies were good, but i won't watch the sequels again as they all slip into crappy sequel territory. I also wouldn't call it a classic storyline, just old. (ill even go with 'original')

My bad, the plot synopsis i read didn't include Aldo as the original first ape and I was unaware of him. It's also apparently 500 years earlier than supposed to happen.

I still think it can easily be explained as Aldo and Caesar were always in history. It's just that the Apes got the date wrong and for some reason Aldo became prominent while Caesar vanished from history.

I just never heard of Manimal and had to google it, After reading the wiki I wasn't sure what a show that only ran for 3 months in 1983 had to do with anything. I asked if it was supposed to be an insult because if it was it was lost on me.

Well maybe iconic would be a better description than classic. no matter how corny they are they made a lasting impression on Sci-Fi. And we don't love them because of the great acting. Like Godzilla movies we love them for their flaws.

I remember the TV show Manimal. I also remember Automan. Those two shows, much like the original BSG, are remembered by me personally as being cheesy and campy. I don't remember them for being what I would consider quality television.