ReeeeeeeGGGGeeeeennnnnn!!!!

That's a good point.

Another interesting contrast with Willpower is that Willpower hardly cares about +recharge at all, while Regen gets a lot of value out of that stat. So they encourage you to build in rather different ways.

^^ ShadowMeld is like a mini-MOG. High recharge /Regen scrappers often alternate between MOG and Shadowmeld. I often solo AV's with MOG > Smeld > Smeld >MOG chain, throwing in parry as needed to cover downtimes. Works fantastic.

Anyone building a */Regen for PvP?

Brute Knock Out Blow PvE: 148 damage
Tanker KOB PvE: 158 damage

But look:
Brute KOB PvP: 167
Tanker KOB PvP: 167

Brutes do worse damage than Tankers in PvP? No.

WARNING: I bold names.

Sorry if I missed it - lots of reading, short on time... but what's up with Fast Healing getting the "Ignores buffs and enhancements" flag for the regen resistance?? 26% is garbage better than nothing, but a lot of debuffs out there are still gonna negate the primary source of your healing.


Also here's the set as I see it. It's something I'm going to play, it's something I'm ENJOYING. With that said, it really DOES suffer where other sets excel, and that's a shame. But equivalent builds for /regen only suffer TO A POINT. When you reach the level of "ultra-build" /regen really really outshines other picks. It's at the point where pretty much EVERY set rules, but that's beside the point, Regen has more potential than any other armor set!

Why? Because once you've reached a good level of defense there's nothing left to build for but max HP and regen (at least, that's what I've been doing on my tanks) and Regen already has that in spades, with a click heal to boot. Okay, WP has an auto that increases their HP and early-on this is going to make 'em outperform /regen but once dullpain becomes perma (and then, stackable) nothin is gonna have an easy time taking you out.

Plus, you've got to look at it from a team play perspective. Regen literally stands to gain everything from grouping with anyone. Somebody else to soak up some damage (I'm still tanking AVs over most other armor sets, it seems..) and res and def buffs go a LONG FREAKING WAY with /Regen. Most of my other toons, I pop purples as necessary, and keep a reserve of greens and chew through em as needed. /Regen? A tray of Oranges will get you through a TF as the main tank WITHOUT a buffer! Not even necessary with something like sonic, thermal, and my fav: cold domination! Mmmm and Frostwork is delicious.


Anyway it's going to underperform in a side-by-side test with an "average" build, like most people would put together, but it doesn't take much to make it awesome in a team-situation, and it's got GREAT potential for IOs, even moreso than WP which is just basically more of the same. Don't forget all that +rech will make your good attacks come up way fast too.

/2 cents

The thing that really deters me about regen as a strictly pve player is tha massive presence of -recharge abilities in the game.

I have to say that regen's passive regen with its minor resists and lack of defense is behind the curve enough after you IO it out and gather some defenses. The defenses that you do have are easily mitigated due to the lack of defense debuff resistance and then the resistance that you do get is a pitance at 30% s/l and much less in everything else.

Add to the fact that your main form of damage mitigation is healing through reconstruction and dull pain (if you aren't already using it as a +max hp buff/regen boost) and how much -recharge effects that mitigation.

Then other tools that help make regen more survivable such as MoG and Shadow meld are on such short durations with their recharge rates amply affected by -recharge as well.

That leaves you with hoping you have some form of mitigation in your primary set such as knockdowns, stuns, etc. which are greatly affected by -recharge as well.

Just choosing willpower over regen already puts you ahead of the curve when comparing it to regen. After you IO and gather incarnate powers your capability for survival is factors higher than regen.

As much as I like regen and the concept of it, I just don't believe it perfroms as well as other sets. It can do a lot of things, but the other sets just seem to do so better, especially if you compare it to willpower.

Here is a thought. Since WP has stolen so much of Regen's thunder what about taking part of it back? I was thinking maybe its possible to spec a regen in such a way that its closer to WP. While I know defense wont be possible without broadsword or katana I am just going to forgo that part since its just a cruch that makes the set not look as bad as it is and work on resistance and regeneration as well as HP. In a sense what I want to try is to get enough passive regeneration that it equals a fully saturated RttC when instant healing is not in use. Essentially I do not want to use instant healing unless I just absolutely have to. While I have seen how most folks say get as much recharge as you can that does not do a whole lotta good when we have so much -recharge right now. Its to the point where red side is just a freaking death sentence for any regen. This build I am trying work on will be for hero only brutes that will do most end game stuff aside from the incarnate trials. So you guys think this will be a waste of time or even possible?