ReeeeeeeGGGGeeeeennnnnn!!!!

1) There are people out there that really only use SOs?? This amazes me...which leads to...

2) There are people out there that don't think they can IO out a toon without over $100M INFLUENCE? Especially now that we have access to A Merits and Reward Merits? If you can't afford to IO out a toon with common or yellow recipe level enhancements then you are doing something terribly wrong.

Obviously a build with Purple and PVP IO sets are a different matter. But, I built a KM/Fire Scrapper to the S/L Soft Cap which required me to get 5 Kinetic Combat triples and was able to achieve all of that with normal game play.

On SOs, your right, Regen doesn't get any debuff resistance, but once you factor in IOs things become different. There are plenty of ways to add resistance to debuffs into /regen.

Now, on SOs, in the incarnate trials, regen would still perform just as well, especially in things like Keyes, due to the ability to heal up after the damage spikes and keep on going.

I'm not saying regen has no weaknesses, but its weaknesses don't put it so far into the red that it under performs. Its right on par with the other armor sets when SOs are considered. If your comparing your shield to a regen, and both have IOs, then its not a fair comparison of the set. You have to consider pure SOs.

IOs provides a means to add defense and resistance to debuffs (the winter's gift adds 20% recharge debuff resistance, as well as slow resistance, which can help out a regen a lot.) Each application of recon provides 20% resistance to toxic damage, which is one of the least resisted damage types in the game, and the resistance values stack.

Recon on SOs recharges in about 25 seconds and heals for about 50% base heals (so about 600-ish HP) Even at the slow cap (-400% recharge) your looking at a recharge time of 100 seconds. You also have MoG, which allows you to shred debuffs everytime its up and pretty much makes your immune to said debuffs for its duration (due to such high defense numbers)

There are holes in every armor set, and not accepting that fact other sets have holes, while pointing out that regen is full of them isn't the proper way to compare sets with themselves.

I for one would love to have some -rech and -regen debuff resistance, but until the devs datemine enough to determine that is a good idea, i'm ok with the way my /regen performs. The added resistance would only make it better, but already its doing pretty good.

Good to see all the same ole Regen issues migrating to the 'Brute Squad'

My DM/Regen was one of my first 50s, one of the easiest rides to 50, and one of the quickest abandoned to obscurity once I got her there. Its that early ramp-up of perceived 'power' that makes Regen a fun ride but leaves some players feeling left behind performance-wise at the level-cap (see ascii graph below, Regen is 'o', most others are '+'). Its just alot easier/cheaper to do 'epic' things with the other more layered sets. Just my 2-bits.

 
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I liken Regen to being a blaster. Not in survivability, though maybe their is a correlation for some sets, but play style. I like my blaster, because it takes active mitigation to stay alive, much like regen. On my blaster, in tough fights (not impossible fights) I am often staring at my powers, waiting for some key power to come back up, or for my chance to KB to finally hit. Regen to me is much the same, using my primary to help keep me standing, praying one of my clicks is about to come up. Is this balance, shruggs, I dont know, but its different. I think Regen is just fun, but frustrating. I think its always fun to play, edge of your seat kinda action, I think its frustrating to play alongside another set, and watch them just stand there and swing away, without really seeming to be in danger.

Its really playstyles to me. Do you enjoy the challenge of building a very tough character, then take him out and not have to be very attentive to play him effectively, or do you want to build your regen best you can and then run, out, and find some fun in trying to just keep upright with the tools you have, even though probably inferior?

I have three lvl 50 Scrappers I have not deleted, and I guess another 3 or so that were sent to oblivian. I have or had invul, wp, regen twice, sr and electric. I only play the regen still, though I find him likely the least sturdy character I have. In the high lvl content, I find him inferior, but fun. My first power scrapper at the time, was my DM/SR, hated the ride there, got him capped, had fun being nigh unkillable for about a week, then havent played him since, I would rather watch paint dry than take him out.

So Im anxious for regen, I dont like melee as much as ranged, but I will have a SM/Rgen as soon as its out, and likely, just as I do with my DB/Rgen (terrible matched set) be cursing that my clicks are too slow, the WP I play with never faceplants like I do, and why did I do this too myself again he will never be good.

I think it's pretty safe to say its not as tough as a lot of other sets in the end, but it gives a different play style, and for me, that is enough. Some people are just weird (like myself) and while we envy the power sets of all AT's, we just dont seem to fit in playing them, so we play regen, Stone Melee, Energy blasters and Trick arrow characters.

One thing I will say about Regen is that player mistakes can cause death. If you decide you can get one more attack off before hitting a heal, and you are wrong, you could end up dead. Of course, Regen has a power to solve that problem, but it is not very functional, sadly. Making Revive workable should be a priority before I21 releases, IMO.

Both Regen and WP's self rezzes need at least a few seconds of untouchable. Let me at least finish the standing up animation before refaceplanting!

(I click revive and moment of glory. It works at least sometimes, mostly thanks to my spiritual alpha pushing the amount of health I revive with up).

Tuesday we get to play with this, and I for one am looking forward to it. I didn't get to do much during the Betas because of work. What was everyone elses experience?

My broadsword/regen scrapper finally has access to moment of glory, shadow meld, and the barrier destiny. If I'm on the ball this makes him pretty damned tough, as he can throw out more than a minute of softcap fairly frequently. A scrapper can do a lot of damage in a minute.

I won't be remaking him as a brute, though. Mostly because of broadsword. The lethal resistance turning headsplitters into below 200 damage hits on a far too frequent basis is too trying on my patience.

Without parry and/or heavy defense IOing/good team buffs alphas for teams are just too harsh to take, and I like to be able to wade in against x8 for a team. This is different than beating a x8 spawn: I've got brutes on the way up who can't take the punishment long enough to solo one. However, they can all take a x8 beating long enough for the team to do its job.

I don't doubt that a /regen brute could be built to do just that but the cards are stacked against it on basic SOs.

Brutes are getting access to Katana and broadsword, meaning they will get parry/divine avalanche... just ya know, saying.

That, and brutes have higher caps on resistance, meaning MoG will actually be useful (in the invent of autohit attack, or massive debuffs) as a means to increase resistance, where scrappers only cap at 75%..

My regen does well, but it is admittedly a katana scrapper. Even despite that helping crutch that is DA, my regen never dies in MoG so I dont see why people would worry about the 75% ( which brutes will get more) because you also get soft capped defense.

With the -regen resistance and extra resistance in the passive coming in i21, brutes AND scrappers will be better off.

As for -rech issues, having some +rech set bonuses and getting the winter's grasp debuff resistance IO can help that plenty.

Hence my comment about why I don't want to play broadsword again, followed by an assessment that without parry alphas are too harsh to take. One of my bs/regen's biggest problems pre-3 godmodes used to be being killed before the first parry animated.

Yes, I know that's only closing time + 1.something seconds. It's enough against the wrong x8 spawn.

Though stone/regen might be even better than parry for alpha reduction since it has range going for it. Also, no redraw.

Good catch about hitting the 90% resistance cap with MoG though. I did miss that.

Yeah, I'll be rerolling my Fm/Reg as a brute as well. Am looking forward to it, though I am still slightly concerned that WP really did steal all of Regens thunder.

I was pretty happy with the level-bumped and half-IO'd bs/regen for the short amount of time I was able to spend fiddling with him. Recharge debuffs are still pretty killer if they get high enough. I didn't get close to capping HP in any normal way, but interestingly burn-out let me stack applications of DP and hitting the HP cap. Not that it lasted long. Of course no accolades and not full on +hp from sets and the like. Was running +2x4 (not a huge deal, I know) with pretty much no issues. Also with no DN running, so there is added potential there. I also didn't really see a noticable loss in fury from rolling through the click defenses. Maybe some numbers gurus could figure out the max potential HP for a regen brute?

I'm torn though as I'm a little too stoked on doing either kat/fire or bs/fire when i21 goes live. I might just wait for StJ before starting the regen brute. We'll see though. Pretty stoked on the idea of ss/regen just for kicks.

Either way, probably retiring the km/regen scrapper once I start /regen on a brute. Conversely probably redoing the wm/sd brute as a scrapper.

Heh. Go figure. I've gotten caught in the trap of shying away from secondaries that don't boost damage. :lol:

It remains the same though - got to be into the playstyle just like you do on a scrapper. Adding brute resists and hp doesn't change the reliance on timing and recharge that is just the way the set is.

I like the idea of Regen Brutes. One of the things Regen offers over Willpower is a more active playstyle, as you actually have defensive buttons to push regularly. I love Willpower's style, but I sometimes wish there was more to do.

I love regen on scrappers. I fail to see why people avoid it. Maybe IOs have spoiled some players a tad too much.