A question for the heroes


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HeroA has been called in to stop a bank robbery, upon arriving at the bank robbery you see its your nemesis who you have been trying to track down for months. Your nemesis has been on a killing spree now for all that time and this could be your best chance to put an end to his crimespree however just before you head into the room to face off against him . . . .

You find out that he also has your husband/wife and kids in a seperate building which is rigged to explode very soon, now you are faced with a dilema. Which do you do?

  • Defeat the nemesis and put an end to his crime spree but at the cost of the lives of your family
or
  • Let the nemesis escape one more time to save the lives of those you love


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Are we to assume a spouse and offspring that you actually like?


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Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave View Post
Are we to assume a spouse and offspring that you actually like?

Hey it is a fantasy world after all


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I think this would belong in the RP forum, but that's not my call.

I would save my family. It's my nemesis: I'm sure I'll have another chance to capture him. Probably within the week.


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Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
HeroA has been called in to stop a bank robbery, upon arriving at the bank robbery you see its your nemesis who you have been trying to track down for months. Your nemesis has been on a killing spree now for all that time and this could be your best chance to put an end to his crimespree however just before you head into the room to face off against him . . . .

You find out that he also has your husband/wife and kids in a seperate building which is rigged to explode very soon, now you are faced with a dilema. Which do you do?
  • Defeat the nemesis and put an end to his crime spree but at the cost of the lives of your family
or
  • Let the nemesis escape one more time to save the lives of those you love
The greatest heroes shouldn't have a family for they are in danger (excatly like the question you've put)

I would defeat my nemesis. for i am a hero of the city and of the world...the needs of the many out way the needs of the few..even if your the few...(Batman for example)
even tho im a villain at heart this would be my hero alt's saying...though the decision would not be a easy one to do..even if the choice was easy to make.

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Are we to assume a spouse and offspring that you actually like?
If you didnt like them why are u married and raising a kid?

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Save the family, then go after him - it's not really a difficult choice - especially with super speed
What if they have SS :P or some form of Tp.


 

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This kind of predicament is why I don't write my characters with secret identities and many "normal" friends. Most of my characters are either loners, or have associates who are as dangerous as they are.


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  • Defeat the nemesis and put an end to his crime spree but at the cost of the lives of your family
This will lead to a much more engaging story arc and plot development in future issues.


 

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Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
HeroA has been called in to stop a bank robbery, upon arriving at the bank robbery you see its your nemesis who you have been trying to track down for months. Your nemesis has been on a killing spree now for all that time and this could be your best chance to put an end to his crimespree however just before you head into the room to face off against him . . . .

You find out that he also has your husband/wife and kids in a seperate building which is rigged to explode very soon, now you are faced with a dilema. Which do you do?
Sounds like a dynamic tip mission, an idea I'd support the devs implementing. As the Tip system stands (much as I like it), there's no external pressure on the player to choose one morality-themed mission over another.

Or to use another example, closer to in-game experiences, say Heroic B is patrolling Talos Island and happens upon a mugging by a couple of Tsoo. The Sorcerer (possibly even a named boss) takes off, with the victim's wallet/handbag, while the Green Ink Man stays behind, intending make sure there are no witnesses. Taking out the latter earns the player some sort of hero reward, the former a vigilante pont.


 

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Obviously, the family is first, so that's that.

However, if you were being the vigilante, you would then use every means possible to acquire said villain quickly. At which point, you slowly rend them apart one piece at a time, perhaps with a dremel with a wirebrush attachment, sewing up the wounds so they don't bleed out, and prolonging their dispatchment.

This does two things: Vigilante justice for the family being put in jeopardy (regardless of the idea that being the vigilante itself is jeopardizing the family) and sends the message: Don't **** with me or my family, or you will be horribly disposed of.

Perhaps that's more villainous than it should be, but this is mah family. Do. Not. Touch.


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I don't even see where it has to be family -- the hero's primary goal should be the safety of others. A couple people in real, immediate distress should trump hypothetical (even if probable) distress in the future.


 

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Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
You find out that he also has your husband/wife and kids in a seperate building which is rigged to explode very soon, now you are faced with a dilema. Which do you do?
  • Defeat the nemesis and put an end to his crime spree but at the cost of the lives of your family
or
  • Let the nemesis escape one more time to save the lives of those you love
My MA/SR/Soul Scrapper, The Extraordinary Death Defying Redlynne (Dances with Death) ... has no family, since her backstory is that she escaped from the Sisters of Divine Love and Retribution Catholic Girls School and Seminary before she could (be forced to) take her Vow of Violence. One of the catechisms of that place is ... Eat, Pray, Blood.

The ruse to try and get me to save the lives of people I "love" is clearly that ... a ruse. Possibly even a Nemesis Plot ... brewed up by my nemesis, to distract me from capturing/defeating (in as violent a way as possible) My Nemesis.

I may not have sworn the Vow of Violence to the Church, but I certainly live up to its ideals.



Some scrappers SAY they "flip out and kill things" ... while the rest of us get on with DOING IT.

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The question comes down to urgency and magnitude.

If my nemesis just stole The Blowing-Up Device that's going to, y'know, blow up Manhattan, or something, then I, as a Hero, suck up my personal losses, and stop him from using the device.

But that's if he's planning on using it, like, right now; if it's "Stop your nemesis from getting away with the device" or "save your family", you probably save your family, because hey, you can get another crack at your nemesis later.

As GG points out, with some heroes, and some of these situations, the fun is watching them "choose the third option". If you're using this diabolic choice outside of a video game (...or inside, really...), make sure to leave space for the 'chooser' to say, "I'll try very, very hard to do both!".


 

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I don't even see where it has to be family -- the hero's primary goal should be the safety of others. A couple people in real, immediate distress should trump hypothetical (even if probable) distress in the future.
This.

A true hero would never put off saving lives today for something that might happen tomorrow.


 

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This kind of predicament is why I don't write my characters with secret identities and many "normal" friends. Most of my characters are either loners, or have associates who are as dangerous as they are.

This.

Almost all of my characters either traveled here from another dimension and thus have no interest anybody in this dimension or are robots.

In my opinion anyone engaging in Heroic activities should know that having nonpowered friends places them in great danger simply by caring for them. The true hero sacrifices his right to have emotions for others in order to benefit others.


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This.

A true hero would never put off saving lives today for something that might happen tomorrow.
So $terrorist_organization either gets access to a nuclear weapon or kill 5 civilians.
You're saying that those 5 aren't worth the sacrifice?


 

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So $terrorist_organization either gets access to a nuclear weapon or kill 5 civilians.
You're saying that those 5 aren't worth the sacrifice?
Always in motion is the future.

Again, a hero can't let 5 people in arm's reach die because of what might happen tomorrow.

Just because baddies have a nuke doesn't mean they'd use it immediatley. There'd probably be enough time to stop them.


 

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Stop nemesis.
Collect insurance.
Retire.


 

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So $terrorist_organization either gets access to a nuclear weapon or kill 5 civilians.
You're saying that those 5 aren't worth the sacrifice?
You can try and get help to stop the terrorists, track them down later, whatever but once the five civilians are dead, they're going to stay that way.

Now if it becomes "Rescue family vs. stopping school bus from exploding" or something then you have more of a dilemma.


 

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Just because baddies have a nuke doesn't mean they'd use it immediatley. There'd probably be enough time to stop them
Theres the dilema right there, the word of "probably".

Just what kind of hero would let a villain get away with a nuke because they thought they "probably" wouldnt use it right away. If anything, the hero would be slaughtered by the media as the one who more or less gave the OK to the villain.


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Depends on the character, though most would probably save the people.

Lyc doesn't have any family to speak of. He kind of left his past behind when he got turned into a werewolf, though he didn't have a wife or any kids either. I figured by the time he got a handle on it, he'd been presumed dead for years, and both he and his home had changed so much (when Salamanca re-opened it's access to Paragon- I didn't have a specific 'home' determined for Lyc before then) he didn't really look back.

In any event, even if it were total strangers, he would go to save them first. He had to work hard to hold on to his humanity, and he would see letting them die as a perilous step away from it, even if it meant letting the bad guy get away.

However, he wouldn't forget, and would make the villain regret ever putting innocents in jeapordy the next time they crossed paths... Even as a hero, a werewolf isn't a gentle creature...


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I couldn't agree more.

 

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Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
If anything, the hero would be slaughtered by the media
Life of a superhero...


 

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Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
Theres the dilema right there, the word of "probably".

Just what kind of hero would let a villain get away with a nuke because they thought they "probably" wouldnt use it right away. If anything, the hero would be slaughtered by the media as the one who more or less gave the OK to the villain.
So let 5 people die to avoid getting hammered by the press?

Nah, that's only a dilemma for a narcissistic “hero”.


 

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So let 5 people die to avoid getting hammered by the press?

Nah, that's only a dilemma for a narcissistic “hero”.

You would only get hammered by the press for letting the villain have the chance to use the weapon to kill a lot more civilians in the first place


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Oh, but they wouldn't because I'd be a super enough hero to stop them and save the world. Again.