Still Sexism in costume choices? Really?
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Posted on: 2011-06-02 05:40 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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True story: A male friend of mine was asked not to wear a tank top to a club by the staff. Said club doesn't have a formal dress code, and lots of guys wear t-shirts and jeans. The women, of course, wear far less.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Fine, skip the title "Reverse Victorian". It's still double standards based on sex. Which is called... sexism. If it's not, I challenge you to wear a tank top at a formal event.
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@Golden Girl
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I think most urban clubs are like that, the one I used to be a bouncer for had similar rules, no tank tops, but if you wore t-shirts, it couldn't be those plain white ones.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
True story: A male friend of mine was asked not to wear a tank top to a club by the staff. Said club doesn't have a formal dress code, and lots of guys wear t-shirts and jeans. The women, of course, wear far less.
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I want kitten and panda shoulder items for males!
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
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Actually, given what fashion designers have a tendency to make and put their models through, yes, I would sooner take Golden girl's word as a fellow clothes wearing person than the word of someone who stuffs half-starved girls into utterly ridiculous outfits.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Well, I have news for you... unless you're a fashion designer that makes and sells clothes and have models to showcast them, the word of you and your friends means nothing. I'd sooner trust people who know what they're talking about than some smiley obsessed girl on a message board.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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That's like saying you would listen to a random schlep talk about cars over an automotive engineer because sometimes the auto companies put out concept cars that you think are silly. Who do you think designs all the "regular" clothes at the department stores?
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Actually, given what fashion designers have a tendency to make and put their models through, yes, I would sooner take Golden girl's word as a fellow clothes wearing person than the word of someone who stuffs half-starved girls into utterly ridiculous outfits.
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Originally Posted by Jophiel
That's like saying you would listen to a random schlep talk about cars over an automotive engineer because sometimes the auto companies put out concept cars that you think are silly. Who do you think designs all the "regular" clothes at the department stores?
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Edit: Wait, is said Schlep comfortable?
Edit again: *Looksup at the person wearing a huge pair of briefs as a tank top* You know what? Nevermind, point still conceded...
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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You'd be amazed. I've seen men that could put 90% of all women to shame.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I never seen a guy who can walk like that - men just don't have the right hips for it
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Every time I or any of my friends get invited to a party, we've never ever had the though "Ooh, a party invite! Now, which tank top should I wear?"
@Golden Girl
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The whole is/isn't a tank top controversy is all the conceit of conventions of nomenclature.
Doll up a tank top and it gets called a shoulder-less top with straps. It's still the same shape showing the same skin. A shape that women can wear in lots of places that would be considered completely inappropriate for men.
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And give us parrots so we can complete our pirate costumes.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
I want kitten and panda shoulder items for males!
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No, most straight pick-up joints are like that. The women are there to be looked at, the men are there to do the looking. The gay bar down the street does not have such rules, in fact they don't care if guys take their shirts off. Neither did any of the more alternative clubs I've been to. The fact is, a lot of clubs have a vested interest in enforcing the double standard. They don't want women to see something they like, the want guys to see something they like and then buy the girl drinks. If a woman sees something she likes, then the guy won't have to buy her drinks now will he?|
Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
I think most urban clubs are like that, the one I used to be a bouncer for had similar rules, no tank tops, but if you wore t-shirts, it couldn't be those plain white ones.
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None of which is relevant to a game. We have no drinks to buy so why are our female characters constantly given costume pieces that expose as much skin as possible, and incidentally look best when worn with other pieces from the same set, because otherwise they cut off at the waist and look odd (Witch pieces, I'm looking at you) while guys get cool jackets that go with everything?
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QR: The idea that beads on a tank top turn it into anything other than a tank top is frankly ludicrous, and any amount of "but its true cause I say so" does not change the fact of the matter, it merely makes the person trying to mandate their opinion into reality for all look less than intelligent.
Sorry. If I make a dress out of denim, does it cease to be a dress and suddenly become blue jeans? Be serious. Form determines classification, not materials. Are sport bras not bras? They don't have lace or satin on them, therefore HOW can they be a bra?!! *massive eyeroll* use some logic for once.
Just look at his legs. And he was a passionate dancer too! And yet he's very obviously a man, one pretty much all sexists would bow to if they had to, even if just out of fear.
those shoes...
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's a very poorly designed outfit
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It's not just (or even mainly) about obvious gender traditions...
The Steampunk Pack doesn't give Males the clockface belts!
Yes, there are some decisions based on opinionated societal regularities (my opinion on that is -if anyone cares- stuff that), but there are also decisions that I suppose were made just on offering different things and not doing the work to share each and every gender-neutral piece and/or keeping a balance in numbers between the two sexes.
I, personally, think that any gender-neutral piece (really any piece, but I'll let them withhold obvious things if they want to) should always be included for all genders. The counter to that is that this would cut down the amount of different pieces added. What's worse? Same pieces added for all genders or some no reason disparity of belt buckles and neutral jackets?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
He only gets away with it because robots can't be mentally scarred
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Congratulations, you've just been executed for insulting royalty. How do you intend to spend the afterlife?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's a very poorly designed outfit
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I still seem to be alive - and I still seem to regard his outfit as bad |
Originally Posted by Scythus
Congratulations, you've just been executed for insulting royalty. How do you intend to spend the afterlife?
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Monarchies are silly, and they don't even seem to try and hide it
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Originally Posted by Sumpfkraut
I have seen worse on the streets.
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@Golden Girl
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Well, I don't disagree with you there.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Monarchies are silly,
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By today's standards. Back then it was likely all the rage.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's a very poorly designed outfit
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I'd rage too if I was told that was fashionable |
Originally Posted by BrandX
By today's standards. Back then it was likely all the rage.
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@Golden Girl
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I suppose next she'll be trying to tell us that this isn't a tank top either.
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