Issue 20 Patch Notes - Build 2010.201105131851.1.0
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0zymandous,
Posted on: 2011-05-19 11:58 in The Global Training Room Test Server
So, does anyone know what today's (may 20, 2011) miniature patch fixed? Does anyone have any patch notes on it?
What was changed?
Incarnate Components
Added direct conversion recipes for the following:
Notice of the Well converts into 40 Incarnate Threads
Favor of the Well converts into 100 Incarnate Threads
does anyone else see a math problem here?
you know besides snow globe...
upside you can convert the stack of notices to 2 commons...
downside anyone who trades 32 shards and 2 notices for 100 threads needs their head examined or is desperate for 100 threads...
Does anyone know why the conversion rate on threads/shards is so horrible?
why does one common bit = 1 shard or 4 threads? (a 1/4th or 1/5th conversion rate)
a minor error in crafting can take weeks to fix...
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Or they have no other use for shards and notices.
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Originally Posted by Saber_Spectre
downside anyone who trades 32 shards and 2 notices for 100 threads needs their head examined or is desperate for 100 threads...
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'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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. . . and have a bunch of them sitting around collecting dust.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Or they have no other use for shards and notices.
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I think because it goes like this; you have 2 Notice of the Well and 32 Shards.|
Originally Posted by Aneko
Or they have no other use for shards and notices.
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-1) With all of that, you craft a Favor of the Well, and then convert the Favor to 100 Threads.
-2) You convert the 2 Notices to 80 Threads (40 each), and you convert 30 Shards to 30 Threads. You have 110 Threads, plus 2 Shards.
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I bolded my addition.
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Originally Posted by Photonstorm
-1) With all of that, you craft a Favor of the Well, and then convert the Favor to 100 Threads. You have 100 threads, plus 7.5 million inf.
-2) You convert the 2 Notices to 80 Threads (40 each), and you convert 30 Shards to 30 Threads. You have 110 Threads, plus 2 Shards. |
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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Beside killing stuff for doing 20 tips and 2 Moralities and selling the recipes and salvage you will find, you will get 2 A-Merits to get a recipe you can sell on the market for 100-200 million Inf. easily.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I bolded my addition.
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Arc ID 104041 Attack of the Mini Phalanx Solo Friendly; Custom Characters; Comedy.
Arc ID 292449 The Shadow of Eihbon Solo Friendly; Canon Related; Magic.
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They can't. It's the same mechanic. Rain and patch powers are critters using an aura that "ticks" its activations very rapidly. They can't change how it works for rains/patches without changing how it works for damage auras on characters. There's no current tech for flagging them separately.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
Again, I want to stress how wrong I find it to have auras nerfed with Interface. Psuedo pets/rains/caltrops nerf make sense, auras do not.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I was simply including the conversion cost for completeness. Although the thought of running tip missions daily annoys me much more than the thought of running trials daily. Personal preference is funny like that.|
Originally Posted by Photonstorm
Beside killing stuff for doing 20 tips and 2 Moralities and selling the recipes and salvage you will find, you will get 2 A-Merits to get a recipe you can sell on the market for 100-200 million Inf. easily.
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One day I may be able to run to mission objectives and just complete tips fast, but I am not counting on that.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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Auras use the pseudo-pet tech?
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
They can't. It's the same mechanic. Rain and patch powers are critters using an aura that "ticks" its activations very rapidly. They can't change how it works for rains/patches without changing how it works for damage auras on characters. There's no current tech for flagging them separately.
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The pseudo-pet part of the rain and patches bug isn't the part that causes the bug.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
Auras use the pseudo-pet tech?
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Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
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The other way around. Most of the pseudo-pets use the aura tech.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
Auras use the pseudo-pet tech?
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However, even in standard auras, having these procs activate every 2 seconds without any animation time cost is very, very strong. Just because it is not spawn-nuke strong does not mean it is fine as is. The auras are not intended to be that strong. Even at 1 proc chance per 10 seconds, it is still a very nice addition.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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No. Pseudo pets use auras. That's what the are. You summon the pseudo pet, and it attacks stuff around it with an aura.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
Auras use the pseudo-pet tech?
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Rain of Fire is like summoning something that attacks with Blazing Aura several times a second.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
If this is the same as what is currently on test, Interface no longer is working with Judgement.
I tested Diamagnetic 100% chance with Pyronic and Ionic Judgement on the RWZ dummies and never received the visual indication of its activity or that it was active from the power analyzer temp.
Also noted, there are clipping issues with tuxes and the steampunk female chest details.
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I agree. I wish they could be treated separately.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
Again, I want to stress how wrong I find it to have auras nerfed with Interface. Psuedo pets/rains/caltrops nerf make sense, auras do not.
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I just tested my Ion Judgement on Test and the Reactive interface was still ticking on the dummies for 0 damage. like always. That character has no other ones to test with, though.
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Originally Posted by B_L_Angel
If this is the same as what is currently on test, Interface no longer is working with Judgement.
I tested Diamagnetic 100% chance with Pyronic and Ionic Judgement on the RWZ dummies and never received the visual indication of its activity or that it was active from the power analyzer temp. Also noted, there are clipping issues with tuxes and the steampunk female chest details. |
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Absolutely. It is not too powerful IMO. I think having interface go off with every aura tick is thematic and worth all the extra work it takes to get it to tier 4.|
Originally Posted by Dromio
I agree. I wish they could be treated separately.
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Neat. If total immunity to damage isn't supposed to happen, off the top of my head here's some more offenders :|
I am now. I will look into it. Thanks for the information. Your bud in the Incarnate powered armor, Black Scorpion |
- final LRSF mission, Statesman has 100% resistance to everything but psi with the Unstoppable he activates during his cutscene.
- Ms. Liberty, Marauder (normal version), Silver Mantis, Wretch, Back Alley Brawler all hit 100% resistance to S/L while in Unstoppable, when they also activate Temp Invul or Unyielding.
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Originally Posted by Photonstorm
I think because it goes like this; you have 2 Notice of the Well and 32 Shards.
-1) With all of that, you craft a Favor of the Well, and then convert the Favor to 100 Threads. -2) You convert the 2 Notices to 80 Threads (40 each), and you convert 30 Shards to 30 Threads. You have 110 Threads, plus 2 Shards. |
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I bolded my addition.
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The Fortune break down is 2 Notice breakdowns (80 threads) + 20 threads. This is a loss of 12 shards. Twelve shards could make 3 task force rewards or a Common Alpha power.
This is going by the rip-off of the tier 3 downgrading to two tier 1 components.
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Originally Posted by Saber_Spectre
Does anyone know why the conversion rate on threads/shards is so horrible?
why does one common bit = 1 shard or 4 threads? (a 1/4th or 1/5th conversion rate) |
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I am not sure if this is the proper place to post this and most likely too late for this patch, but I have seen this requested in multiple threads. Please, Please oh Please for the love of all that is Heroic and/or Villainous... Shut those MM's Demons up! The racket they make is the only sound that causes me to dive for the mute button on my keyboard.
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I was picking a nit. I clearly have agreed with you that losing out on 12 threads would be a shame.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Really? The game gives you another 7.5 million Inf? What a great undisclosed bonus! Oh wait, you are trying to say that you don't have to pay 7.5 million inf, which is something completely different. You don't get 7.5 million inf out of thin air for this conversion, so it is a bit shady to include the inf value.
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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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I don't think he's going to change stuff that makes them temporarily invulnerable. (You can just wait until it goes down) the problem with the Honoree fight is that he sometimes (not sure if it's a bug or he's just that fast at recharging it) gets into perma-unstoppable mode.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
Neat. If total immunity to damage isn't supposed to happen, off the top of my head here's some more offenders :
- final LRSF mission, Statesman has 100% resistance to everything but psi with the Unstoppable he activates during his cutscene. - Ms. Liberty, Marauder (normal version), Silver Mantis, Wretch, Back Alley Brawler all hit 100% resistance to S/L while in Unstoppable, when they also activate Temp Invul or Unyielding. |
A single burst of unstoppability for... 2 minutes or whatever it is, isn't much of a problem, but when they can keep that up it's definitely one.
I think Valkyrie on the LRSF has a similar problem too?
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Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
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Valkyrie is a Regen. And she uses MoG. The NPC MoG lasts for ever and then a week. Which is reaaaaaaaaally annoying if you ask me. Especially on that damn Manticore TF.|
Originally Posted by Arilou
I think Valkyrie on the LRSF has a similar problem too?
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Valkyrie in LRSF, I tend to kill her last, then run away and leave her behind the moment she rezzes, since that's when she uses MoG.
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You want to BUFF Lore pets?! Seriously?!?!?!?!
Originally Posted by Vanden
Still no buffs for Lore? Why?! Why won't you buff Lore, devs? WHY?!
WarWorks pets can SOLO AVs. I've -seen- it happen. I've seen WarWorks pets solo Countess Crey. The player that had them didn't even do anything!
You wanna BUFF them!?!?!?!?!??!?!? WHAT?!?!?!
If anything, they should be nerfed!!!
I specifically skipped on grinding for LOLre slot cause it's so overpowered it's not even fun anymore!
As I noted in closed beta, I would have liked a branch that stayed an LT the whole way up the tree, but the recharge time got progressively shorter, with it hitting perma or very close to it -- but still just a single LT -- at Very Rare. (Even BETTER for me would be a pet that stuck around forever like MM pets do, and for THAT I'd accept a minion. But I imagine that will never happen.)
That would be worth it to me, even if I couldn't have the incarnate shift in the slot. I play a lot of squishies, so the idea that some random burst of damage after I summon the pet locks me out of a power for that long is highly alarming to me.
That's why I still don't have Lore unlocked, and intend to do everything I can not to (or if I end up getting iXP for it from doing a new trial, I'll just never CRAFT anything for it) as long as the Lore pets don't provide something I'm remotely interested in having. What good is giving us a pet with MM controls that we can't have around?