The Willpower Powerset and Comics
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-05-16 08:22 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Also, which Marvel Gladiator are you talking about? If it is the Shiar one, then his powers are defiantly Superman ones.
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Originally Posted by Marvel Universe Wiki
Much, if not all of Gladiator's abilities are entirely dependent on his level of self-confidence. The more confident he is in being able to complete the task at hand, the more powerful he becomes. Consequently, if Gladiator ever has the slightest hint of doubt that he is unable to accomplish something, then his powers quickly weaken.
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This Gladiator, yeah the Shi'ar one. This Superman clone's yellow sun is his willpower and his kryptonite is doubt in himself.
The only comic book character whose abilities mirror the in-game powerset of Willpower that I can think of is the Hulk. The madder Hulk gets, etc. He rises to the challenge, the more enemies he faces the better he seems to be, and so on.
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I think Nightwing fits Super Reflexes better than Batman ever would. |
Originally Posted by Coach Hines
^This
Batman as far as CoH goes would be a MA/SR Scrapper with the APP that gives you the shuriken (Batarangs), Punisher is absolutely an AR or DP /Traps Corr with the fighting pool, and Lobo is a SS/Inv Brute... He can bounce bullets and duke it out with Kal-El. So what do you think maybe DC's Zauriel is a natural or magic origin WP/SS Tanker? Mousedroid lol that example makes me think of Cyclops, President and card carrying member of the "I Should Be Dead" Club. |
Batman's build (regarding his secondary) would be impossible to replicate, since it would include some, but not all of Super Reflexes, Ninjitsu, and Willpower. But I do understand what you were saying though.
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Brock Sampson from the Venture Bros. and Marv from Sin City. Heck, Marv even got shot several times, including once in the head, and didn't seem too seriously hurt.
Not really superheroes, but John McClain from Die Hard and Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China always struck me as Willpower type characters.
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But none of them, Blue Marvel aside because he's a Sentry-Like retro addition, were Superman. They all had limites welllll below Supes, until power creep set in in the late 90's. Especially in Hyperion's case. Gladiator was "close" in that his strength could fluctuate into the Shift-Xish range. Thor, Beta Ray bill were Class 100. Hyperion pre power creep was in the 75 ton range. The Thing was stronger then he was. |
Originally Posted by Agonus
I disagree. Considering, as you said, Thor and Gladiator, and then Sentry, Hyperion (in his umpteen incarnations), Beta Ray Bill, Blue Marvel, and I'm sure a bunch of guys I'm forgetting Marvel has more than enough Superman expy's and has had them for a while.
As for Batman, I can only think of Moon Knight off hand, but I know there's other Batman homages too. |
Now Hulk strongest there is with his "Keep going up as long as I'm pissed" strength.
The closest thing at least through the 80's and 90's that Marvel had to a "Superman Class" reoccurring character was the Silver Surfer.
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Erm... my main point is that Marvel has had a lot of incredibly powerful flying brick combo platter power characters that wear capes and tights. (Which is pretty much all Superman and the Sentry have in common. They're both CPP flying bricks in capes and tights.) I wasn't listing characters by power level or anything. And if you start including characters like Surfer, you can add in guys like Namor, Juggernaut and a myriad of others too.
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Originally Posted by Divus
But none of them, Blue Marvel aside because he's a Sentry-Like retro addition, were Superman. They all had limites welllll below Supes, until power creep set in in the late 90's. Especially in Hyperion's case. Gladiator was "close" in that his strength could fluctuate into the Shift-Xish range. Thor, Beta Ray bill were Class 100. Hyperion pre power creep was in the 75 ton range. The Thing was stronger then he was.
Now Hulk strongest there is with his "Keep going up as long as I'm pissed" strength. The closest thing at least through the 80's and 90's that Marvel had to a "Superman Class" reoccurring character was the Silver Surfer. |
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Actually I would include Namor because he's a flying brick and the Eternal Gilgamesh. |
Originally Posted by Agonus
Erm... my main point is that Marvel has had a lot of incredibly powerful flying brick combo platter power characters that wear capes and tights. (Which is pretty much all Superman and the Sentry have in common. They're both CPP flying bricks in capes and tights.) I wasn't listing characters by power level or anything. And if you start including characters like Surfer, you can add in guys like Namor, Juggernaut and a myriad of others too.
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According to the old OHOTMU, the Eternals all had full psionic control over their bodies. They weren't indestructable but were hard to kill and could kill fast. That sounds one of the more "super" extremes of a Willpower set.
Alright time to make a new tank.
In western comics hulk and superman both are incredibly hard to hurt(defense) even if hit and hurt it's usually minor they can also recover much faster than most Deathstroke on a lesser level
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
If we step outside western comics for a moment, I'd say that when I think of the Willpower set, I tend to be reminded of a lot of action heroes from the various martial arts manga series. They don't often have explicit super powers, they're simply super by virtue of "being really tough". Anime/manga posterboy Goku from Dragonball would be a good example.
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
I think willpower translates to the power of friendship in Japan
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Hulk Hogan...although, his functions kinda the same way Tinkerbell's does. Enough people clap hard enough and believe in him and he's invulnerable 
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I think you mean nakama, which according to otaku has a deeper meaning then just friendship. *rolls eyes*
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
I think willpower translates to the power of friendship in Japan
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Pure win!
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Originally Posted by Furio
Hulk Hogan...although, his functions kinda the same way Tinkerbell's does. Enough people clap hard enough and believe in him and he's invulnerable
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Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
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But the point of Hyperion and Gladiator were to be Superman stand-ins. That's ballpark enough in my book.
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Originally Posted by Divus
But none of them, Blue Marvel aside because he's a Sentry-Like retro addition, were Superman. They all had limites welllll below Supes, until power creep set in in the late 90's. Especially in Hyperion's case. Gladiator was "close" in that his strength could fluctuate into the Shift-Xish range.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
As for Batman, I can only think of Moon Knight off hand, but I know there's other Batman homages too.
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The way they use Black Panther in the new Avengers cartoon has elicited more than a few Batman jokes by my brother and I while watching it too. Not that Black Panther is a Batman homage, but in the cartoon, with his vibranium claws/throwing weapons and martial arts prowess and his ability to sneak into the Avengers mansion during his first appearance and his constant showing up of Tony Stark, i can't help but think of him as the Avengers' Batman.
i may look at all this differently than most, but i would say; Thor, Colossus, Rogue and Luke Cage, would all be WP. I would reserve invuln for Superman, the Hulk, and other true indestructibles (Prob including Gladiator and Vision). Wolverine is a claws/regen brute (yay i21). Punisher: AR/dev blaster. Daredevil: MA/SR scrapper
the comic to game translation I find humorously fitting is Jean Grey as mind/psi Dom.
btw: Batman is a MA/Nin stalker
just my opinions not saying anyone should agree with me
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Hulk. SS/Willpower Brute. His rage fulls his willpower.
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Gladiator, current Majestor of the Shi'Ar Star Empire is totally Willpower based. His powers are based on his mental state. Reed Richards figured it out and made him doubt himself for a second, then Susan K.O.d him with an invisible force bubble back in Fantastic Four (1961) #249-250
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Kickass doesn't have any powers. He's just a teenage who decided to dress up and beat thugs with sticks. The only real power he may have is a metal plate in his head.
Also, which Marvel Gladiator are you talking about? If it is the Shiar one, then his powers are defiantly Superman ones. And to mention Sentry, despite being a horribly written character, he wasn't needed at all. The Marvel Universe was unique for not having a Superman and a Batman. Besides, Thor always filled the role as the most powerful hero on earth, and that's how I liked it. |
Marv from Sin City and Brock Sampson from the Venture Brothers could easily be interpreted as having the Willpower powerset.
I would like to put forth Roronoa Zoro as...Dual Blades/WP Brute. He doesn't particularly have any regenerative/in-vulnerabilities but every fight he is in basically tears him to shreds and he always gets back up.
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I see WP as being inspired more by movie heroes than comic books: Indiana Jones, John McClane, James Bond etc. Basically any hero without special powers who just won't die, despite ridiculous levels of punishment he is put through.
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Originally Posted by Coach Hines
So who in the comics other than Marvel's Gladiator would be assigned the Willpower powerset and what AT would they be?
I want to create a WP toon but thematically I'm having a tough time wrapping my mind around a non mutant/magic origin character that decides that bullets, energy blasts, baseball bats etc. don't hurt and thus isn't effected. What do you guys think? |
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This. In reality, WP would be more of a pool power than a primary or secondary.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I see WP as being inspired more by movie heroes than comic books: Indiana Jones, John McClane, James Bond etc. Basically any hero without special powers who just won't die, despite ridiculous levels of punishment he is put through.
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