Is lvl 21 really this bad?
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Posted on: 2011-05-09 15:16 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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What level are your enhancements?
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Originally Posted by Timegod
At one point I popped a yellow, plus the Accuracy enhancements and missed a minion my level 6 times in a row
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Pretty sure you need final tohit chance of 30% or so to even BE ABLE to miss 6 times in a row. Which isnt going to happen against something thats your lvl. Was it CoT or something with -tohit?
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
What level are your enhancements?
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That's the big issue (in general) at level 21. You've JUST passed level 20 - which you may have slotted for at level 17, so you're at -1 *DO* level. (Unless, of course, you were using IOs.)
Masterminds, as well, have a special bit of hell reserved for them from level 18 (when your tier 1s gain a member but drop down another level) to 24 (when you get your second T2 - usually support of some sort - pet to re-strengthen them.)
Don't give up, just push through it. Yeah, 21's miserable. Fortunately it's just one level - and you can spend the time getting your new costume slot, earning a cape and whatnot.
(And yes, the general questions on what you have slotted, how you have your powers slotted, etc.)
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I bet it was COT, and one of those damn ghost LT's had debuffed his to-hit.|
Originally Posted by ultrawatt
Pretty sure you need final tohit chance of 30% or so to even BE ABLE to miss 6 times in a row. Which isnt going to happen against something thats your lvl. Was it CoT or something with -tohit?
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COT is the only faction in the game that's MUCH easier above level 40.
And don't me started on how nasty Vahzilok are. There should be Vahz all the way to 50, and they'd make every other faction look like tinkerbell fairies.
Also, what did you set your difficulty to? Are you fighting +3s or +4s?
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Something to consider:
2 L15 Acc Common IO's would give you 38.4% improvement to Accuracy
which is on par with a +3 SO before you can even slot SO's and you can
get them about the time you'd historically get DO's...
2 L20's would put you over 51% improvement, and very probably softcap
your attack's Acc against most common PvE stuff in that level range.
Frankenslotted set IO's perform even better than these...
Personally, I haven't slotted a DO in a toon in years, and I can count on
1 hand (with fingers left over) the number of times I've slotted an SO over
that same timeframe.
That said, I'd also speculate that OP was fighting CoT. Spectral Demon Lords
can be quite the pita with their debuffs at that level, even with the better
slotting options I mentioned.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
I bet it was COT, and one of those damn ghost LT's had debuffed his to-hit.
COT is the only faction in the game that's MUCH easier above level 40. And don't me started on how nasty Vahzilok are. There should be Vahz all the way to 50, and they'd make every other faction look like tinkerbell fairies. |
I agree with this evaluation 100% from 40 level on up I take grat joy in actually running missions against COT.. I consider it pay back for the grief they put me through at lower levels. At low levels I definately think Vahz are way too much for some ATs to deal with but the biggest thing they have that causes it is Toxic. At low levels I don't know of too many powersets that provide much, if any, protection for that. At higher levels Toxic wouldn't nearly as damaging. The reapers and morticians aren't that bad by themselves and the only thing special about thr embalmed is they explode! Their bosses do have mez attacks and debuffs so they would still be a threat but NOT much worse than some others.
heheheh just had a thought .. a 50 level Vahz Abomination standing next to a Malta Gunslinger in a pretty pink tutu with fake fairy wings glued to his back,
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Well, for the record, I hear about IOs and the like all the time, but I literally just returned to game, the only thing I have done with IOs is the tutorial "how to make an IO", thinks like "frankenslot" are greek to me. I know I will get the hang of it, my future toons will no doubt be easier once I get a handle on everything I need to know.
As for the 6 misses. The sheer rage I felt at the time has robbed me of the mob type, it was a mission I got in the zone I came out in. Talos I think it is called. I am using lvl 20++ DOs for my ACC. When I first entered the mission, the first group made me lose my mind, so I left, went and bought some DOs to up the lvl of my enhancements for ACC and came back. I was just doing std stuff +0/x1 I think it is called. That particular mob was a +1, but still....
Anyway, it was just a rant, thanks for the math on IOs, I'll put that away fro future reference. I simply have no resources, I scraped everything I had together to get those DOs, so now I am working on getting 3k AE tickets together for when I hit lvl 22. That should buy me 40 SOs. 
I will get past this lvl with my sanity intact. Logging in now to get through this. Wish me luck.
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For IOs there are common IOs which only enhance 1 aspect of a power, making them like normal enhancements that you never outlevel. Then there are set IOs, most of which enhance 2, 3 or even 4 aspects of a power. If you use multiple IOs from the same set you get set bonuses, which are extra enhancements applied to your character, ranging from defense, +hp, minor resist, +damage, or global accuracy bonuses. Franken-slotting is mixing set IOs to maximise the enhancement values while mostly ignoring possible set bonuses.|
Originally Posted by Timegod
Well, for the record, I hear about IOs and the like all the time, but I literally just returned to game, the only thing I have done with IOs is the tutorial "how to make an IO", thinks like "frankenslot" are greek to me. I know I will get the hang of it, my future toons will no doubt be easier once I get a handle on everything I need to know.
As for the 6 misses. The sheer rage I felt at the time has robbed me of the mob type, it was a mission I got in the zone I came out in. Talos I think it is called. I am using lvl 20++ DOs for my ACC. When I first entered the mission, the first group made me lose my mind, so I left, went and bought some DOs to up the lvl of my enhancements for ACC and came back. I was just doing std stuff +0/x1 I think it is called. That particular mob was a +1, but still.... Anyway, it was just a rant, thanks for the math on IOs, I'll put that away fro future reference. I simply have no resources, I scraped everything I had together to get those DOs, so now I am working on getting 3k AE tickets together for when I hit lvl 22. That should buy me 40 SOs. I will get past this lvl with my sanity intact. Logging in now to get through this. Wish me luck. |
As for you missing 6 times in a row, I'm in agreement that it must've been CoT ghosts, don't think anything else could floor your to-hit like that at that level. My recomendation would be to aut-complete the mission (not sure how long you've been gone and forget when auto-complete was added, but you open the contact windown and you can select "complete this mission") Then avoid CoT for the imediate future. If forced to do another CoT mission you can only auto-complete every 3 days, so watch out.
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Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
That...was a Herocon 09 exclusive easter egg. The powerset will not have doves associated with it.
Namely because you guys would want to color tint the damn doves, or make them hawks/ravens/flying sharks/etc and that's just a headache I do...not...want...to deal with. |
If you are using DO at 20 then you need at least 2 acc per attack. You should post your build, I'm curious what you have
I'll just toss out there that it could be Tsoo as well since the sorcerers use Hurricane, but yeah, the CoT LTs use a toggle tohit debuff that is a bane of many players. I've fought bosses that were less trouble.
If you picked Magic origin, you can grab some Yin-Os and enjoy all the benefits of accuracy SOs right now.
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Sky Raiders are also common on blue-side. If it was raiders, an engineer could have dropped a force field gen... That would explain the string of misses.
Either way, glad to hear that you're sticking to your guns and going back to it. Good luck and better XP to you! If you want/need any advice about IOs and etc., feel free to ask. Oh yeah, and welcome back!
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As I understand it, if your %tohit changes from attack to attack, streakbreaker will never kick in and you can miss an infinite number of times.
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Originally Posted by ultrawatt
Pretty sure you need final tohit chance of 30% or so to even BE ABLE to miss 6 times in a row. Which isnt going to happen against something thats your lvl. Was it CoT or something with -tohit?
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Better than AE tickets, do tip missions. The problem is that at level 21 nothing you get with tickets is really all that valuable unless you luck out on a stealth or regenerative tissue +regen.|
Originally Posted by Timegod
Anyway, it was just a rant, thanks for the math on IOs, I'll put that away fro future reference. I simply have no resources, I scraped everything I had together to get those DOs, so now I am working on getting 3k AE tickets together for when I hit lvl 22. That should buy me 40 SOs.
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If you can hold out until level 25 you can use hero merits from tip missions to get the luck of the gambler +7.5% recharge and that sells for over 100 million each uncrafted, and 190 million each crafted. Just need one or two of those and you're set. Takes 2 days to get 1 hero merit and 2 merits to get the IO.
Stop by the Market Forum and read for some help on how to earn money fast and easy. The shortened short version is to post all your drops on the market for 1 inf each.
Even the common salvage.
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No. The streakbreaker tracks your lowest tohit value among your misses, and uses that number to determine how many misses you're allowed to have. Barring bugs, it is impossible for a player to miss more than 100 times in a row.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
As I understand it, if your %tohit changes from attack to attack, streakbreaker will never kick in and you can miss an infinite number of times.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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I think he is planning to buy SOs direct from the AE since he lacks influence rather than hoping for an IO to resell. Especially since he admits to knowing very little about the IO system.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Better than AE tickets, do tip missions. The problem is that at level 21 nothing you get with tickets is really all that valuable unless you luck out on a stealth or regenerative tissue +regen.
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Originally Posted by Timegod
Well, for the record, I hear about IOs and the like all the time, but I literally just returned to game, the only thing I have done with IOs is the tutorial "how to make an IO", thinks like "frankenslot" are greek to me. I know I will get the hang of it, my future toons will no doubt be easier once I get a handle on everything I need to know.
As for the 6 misses. The sheer rage I felt at the time has robbed me of the mob type, it was a mission I got in the zone I came out in. Talos I think it is called. I am using lvl 20++ DOs for my ACC. When I first entered the mission, the first group made me lose my mind, so I left, went and bought some DOs to up the lvl of my enhancements for ACC and came back. I was just doing std stuff +0/x1 I think it is called. That particular mob was a +1, but still.... Anyway, it was just a rant, thanks for the math on IOs, I'll put that away fro future reference. I simply have no resources, I scraped everything I had together to get those DOs, so now I am working on getting 3k AE tickets together for when I hit lvl 22. That should buy me 40 SOs. I will get past this lvl with my sanity intact. Logging in now to get through this. Wish me luck. |
Note also that "Beginner's Luck," the free to-hit adjustment for young characters, expires at level 20, which may have further contributed to the frustration of being 21. It's generally regarded as the nadir of your character's career for a reason.
On the bright side, the 20s should bring a sharp increase in effectiveness and several key powers, and slots are finally starting to pile up.
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You're almost out of the doldrums. Everything will improve with SO's at 22 (if you don't use IO's or sets).
There is also AE where you can choose who to fight.
I'm at 17 on an ss/fire and it certainly is annoying and frustrating at times.
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Pretty much this. When stuck in the DO doldrums, I often tend to only slot ACC, sometimes even having a five-slotted power with nothing but ACC in them. Once I hit 22, then I slot for other things like damage.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
You're almost out of the doldrums. Everything will improve with SO's at 22 (if you don't use IO's or sets).
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Ah 1 level from Rage and pretty much only ever missing due to the 5% rule after that point. +20 to hit makes those CoT ghosts not nearly as painful to deal with
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
You're almost out of the doldrums. Everything will improve with SO's at 22 (if you don't use IO's or sets).
There is also AE where you can choose who to fight. I'm at 17 on an ss/fire and it certainly is annoying and frustrating at times. |
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I recently came back to the game and after running Praetoria 20 times on various alts, I came up with a concept and a character I am really having fun with or was having fun with. I left Praetoria at 21, and though I normally group with friends, none were on so I thought I would try some solo missions, no special settings, just standard solo missions.
So an hour and a half of pressing attacks on my Stone/Fire brute and missing, I logged out on the last part of a mission more frustrated than I have ever been playing this game. I guess I am just venting, I know all the general responses "team up", "SOs will help", "IOs" ect ect....but seriously, I've never felt more useless than when 3 minions my level beat me to death while I spent an entire end bar missing them, all this with the best DOs I can put in my attacks, each attack 2 slotted for accuracy. At one point I popped a yellow, plus the Accuracy enhancements and missed a minion my level 6 times in a row, I used every attack on the bar 1-6 and didn't hit until I came back around and used brawl again. My head almost exploded.
Ranting over. Just needed to blow off some steam somewhere and the help channel didn't seem like the right place.
Cheers.