Problem: Kicked from BAF because "I was an add and he was doing a 16 man only"

I can sympathize with the OP, but in the end, the person who spent the time forming the league should have the final call on who is in it. If the OP does not wish to go to one of the zones where preformed leagues are being made or spend the time making his or her own league but simply relies on the LFG system, then they are at the mercy of the system. Systems tend to be short on mercy.

I'll be perfectly honest, I have kicked pugs that showed up on specific runs. I do not wish to spend half the run on a MoBAF explaining to a pug what not to do to prevent ruining the run for the 15 other people who trusted me to help them get that achievement. As long as there is a kick button, I will continue to utilize it to make my runs successful.

The simplest way to fix this would be to make the LFG option a different queue that is truly random and would fill the league to capacity. Then you could allow the preformed leagues to simply launch the trial they wish to run without going through a LFG style system.

Now, for a current example. Today I put together a LAM and it was short a few. We went anyway and we picked up 4 people. I placed them on team 2 and went about our business. I sent team 2 to the labs to take out containment chambers. We cleared the warehouse and had to go help team 2; fine, so we helped. Then as we were about to go out, I said to check temp powers, and to ask if you did not know how. We should have had 10 acids. Only the people I picked originally used their acids. I asked again as reinforcements built up. No response. We took out the spawned acid shipment 3 times, 2 of which didn't get used. Finally in desperation, I had people forget the last couple of doors and we started on the AV. During the AV fight, one of the people who was a pug said, "Oh, I have two acids, I didn't think I could get them in the hospital".

Now this person was advised multiple times to check temps, and also advised that we could explain how if they did not know. Because of him and whoever else did not use their acid among the four pugs, we failed the trial.

Hey, life goes on, it's just a game. But the 11 people who joined the league with the understanding that it would be successful and that I knew what I was doing, had their time wasted and may not wish to league with me in the future because I could have kicked the pugs and prevented the screwup. I know in the future, I certainly will be more likely to kick pugs on LAM at least. Probably not on BAF because its darn near impossible to fail it, even if people are new to the trial.

Thanks for running those tests Wendy.

This post kinda reads like one of my old lab reports from school.
TL;DR: My experience runs counter to Wendy's.

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Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy I did a little experiment it is possible while in the queue to access full screen menus I typed in /respec and wound up in the RESPEC menu however when I clicked back out I had been dropped from the queue and had to re-enter Then I tried the tailor, I am in the RWZ at the moment so this is all very easy, and again I was able to access the costume design menus but once again when I left I was not in the queue any longer I entered the queue again and tried to enter my SG. I did get inside but when I came back out again I had been removed from the queue. While I was inside the SG base the LFG tab was totally blank not showing anything at all but the message that I could not enter my SG or run missions while in the queue. Then I tried zoning. I went to the portal in the RWZ and went to FF. I'd been removed from the queue. To test I re-entered the queue and zoned back into the RWZ. once again I'd been removed. Then I hit the store and tried to enhance. Now this seemed to take a bit longer but that may simply be due to the number of people here in RWZ 1 right now but two times I opened up the window to view my enhancements and both times when I came back out for about 2-3 seconds it appeared like I was still in the queue and then the button went green again and I had to rejoin the queue.

Wendy's experiment's results has run counter to my own experience, so I decided to re-conduct it (mostly) as she described. My tests took place on Champion server, around 2:20 in the morning. I logged into Atlas Park, just outside the SG portal. I joined the Queue using the BAF and 'willing to join in progress' options. I left the LFG screen open as much as able and unattached for these tests.

I typed /respec selected 4 powers and backed out of the respec screen. I witnessed no change to my LFG status after a few minutes of waiting (however long it has taken me to type this paragraph.)

As there is no Tailor in Atlas, and I was just outside the SG portal, I chose to enter that next. The LFG screen closed itself, and when opened only stated 'Events can not be queued.. etc. etc.' I turned around and left. The LFG window closed again when I got back into Atlas. But it appeared I was still in the Queue.

I next decided to run to RWZ for both a zoning test and a Tailor test. I ran to the Vanguard base door at Sprint speeds and by the time I reached the portal (and typed this far) my LFG status seemed unchanged.

Upon Zoning into RWZ and re-opening the LFG window (it doesn't seem to like to stay open after zoning), I was still in the Queue. I Sprint ran out of the Vanguard base, along the war wall road to the AE building, turned right around and ran back to the tailor in the Mech Bay (and typed this paragraph) to allow sufficent time for a delay in status update. Still showing as in Queue.

I went into the Tailor screen and adjusted my Destiny colors (as I had not had the opportunity as yet) and accepted the changes. No change in Queue status. I waited a few minutes before re-entering Tailor and immediately backing out. I used my Destiny after this second exit and by the time it recharged (2 minutes I think) there was no change to Queue status.

I sold a recipe to the quartermaster, then entered the Enhancement screen. I read one of my power's pop-ups to see percentages of enhancement, then backed out. In the time it took to run 10 laps around Lady Grey's pillar and type this paragraph, my LFG status did not appear to change.

At this point, I closed the LFG window for 15 seconds, then opened it again. I used my Destiny and by the time it recharged (and I typed this paragraph), no change to LFG.

At this point I decided the experiment was over, and concluded the Queue is not affected by the things I tested it for. Unfortunately, because it was so early, there were no BAF forming, so I was unable to test whether I was truly in the Queue, or just displaying as in the Queue.

Because of the differences in Wendy's and my experiences, I considered what might have caused the change in behavior. First, the early hour of my test likely means the queue itself saw very little change. It might have been able to 'remember' I was there more easily and automatically placed me back in when I was out of the SG base/full screen UI. In a period of heavy activity, this function may have failed, assuming it exists. I may have to try to conduct my tests again at a more populated hour to eliminate this possiblity. This seems the most likely reason for the difference.

Second, the possibly different server would have a seperate queue, so perhaps this is some form of bug on just one server's LFG system. I don't know what server Wendy frequents, but I think this possibility unlikely.

Third, perhaps Wendy stumbled across a bug requiring a particular order of activity. In this case, without knowing her exact steps, it may be next to impossible to replicate. If this bug/feature is more widespread than just her, the likelihood of this possibility drops.

Fourth, and related to whether I was actually in the Queue, I don't know if the LFG window would auto-update it's own status. Therefore, I cannot confirm that I was truly in the Queue the entire time as opposed to the window simply not updating. This possibilty would be very unlikely in my opinion. I had the red 'Leave Queue' button at the bottom the entire time. I also would hope that closing/reopening the window at the end would have refreshed the status automatically.

In conclusion, I believe that neither zoning, nor entering a Full-screen UI removes one from the queue. Entering a SG base does for the duration one is inside, but you are placed back into it once leaving. I have a dim memory of once getting the 'last-chance to back out, Enter the trial now' sound at the tailor, backing out and clicking Enter, but I am not willing to state that it definitely can happen.

For those who are advocating against being able to control team makeup, why not extend that thought process a little further?

So you'd be for having anyone with a LFG flag set being randomly assigned to any team out there who isn't running at a full 8-man mission team?

Myself and my wife are duo'ing radio missions...suddenly 6 other people should be randomly forced onto us just because we aren't running an 8-man locked out team?

Whether or not we WANT to run on 8-man teams? And if we kick them out, we're jerks?

So all of the "PL Meh!" types can just force thier way onto teams? That's what you're basically asking for.

Or let's use a real life example: you and your significant other are having a "private moment", should you be required to let me join in too...after all, I shouldn't be excluded from your fun just because I don't want to put in the effort of obtaining my own s.o. (form my own league rather than waiting around to glom onto someone elses).

just had the oddest experience, got invited to a pre-made league, started a Lamda run with the minimum, as soon as we got in, almost everyone went poof( including the League leader), except for me( a fort), a tank, and a brute, managed if a bit slow, all the way to the security guard robot thing inside the bunker( we cleared the streets, the courtyard, and the guns with no problem), we would've had the security guard thing if it wasn't for the heals it does, or if we had one more person. I imagine we could've gotten the second phase, but doubt we could've done the last phase( not enough bodies to carry enough acid, and that 3 ring gimic they added to the Trial AV's would've been a serious hurdle in trial to maintain enough DPS on Maurader

People in my global channel have been reporting a lot of mapserving going on.

on an earlier run, i almost did get mapserved, and did get laggy at one point. It would've been hillarious if a three man team managed to complete it( granted I'm sure it would've taken a while)