Problem: Kicked from BAF because "I was an add and he was doing a 16 man only"

I have an interesting experience I wish to share while I was leading 16 player BAF runs (4 of them back to back) late last night on my Stalker.

First run. Two extras popped in from the LFG queue. No big deal, I put them on team three and continued on. When people from Team one or two disconnected/crashed, I would shift those two extras in as temporary fillers so they can get more iexp. Used the choke point method for runners, finished the trial, no issues. Both extras quit once we zoned back into Pocket D.

Second run. This time four extras showed up, two of them were the same people from the previous run. Given that now we had 20 people, I shifted some people around into teams of 7/7/6. Also, since we now have 20 people instead of 16, I decided on a last minute change in runner strategy to covering doors instead of choke point due to time dilation/lag concerns. This caused some confusion but I digress. Once we finished the trial and popped back in Pocket D, I stated in league chat that I will be doing more runs as an open invitation for everyone to stick around. Three of the LFG queuers stayed on while one quit (let's just call him Bob from this point on).

Third run. Bob, who had quit the league at the end of the previous run popped in *again*, along with two others. After one of the original pre-formed 16 disappeared, I reformed the remaining 18 into teams of 6/6/6. We finished the trial and *again* I said I will do another run. Sure enough, Bob quit the league.

Fourth run. Before we started, I made a snarky comment in league chat along the lines of "does anyone want to wager that Bob is going to pop into this run also". We loaded into the trial, finished the cut scene, lo and behold, BoB was right there. At this point I was getting kind of irritated about reforming teams so I decided that this was the last run of the night for me.

Okay seriously, what the hell? Is this person doing it on purpose to disrupt non-max leagues? If he wanted to run BAF repeatedly, why didn't he just stick around? It's not like he didn't know we were doing back to back runs since I stated as much on multiple occasions in league chat. I also know for a fact that his league chat was on because he was talking in it during the trials. This whole chain of events made absolutely no sense.

Edit: One last thing add. I also noticed a marked decrease in iexp gain during the final three runs. Not surprisely, those were also the runs when I was actively rebalancing the three teams due to the extras. Where as during the first run I gained 18% toward my Lore slot, the last three averaged out at 12%. The team compositions didn't change that much since at least 4-5 people from each team stuck around between runs. Between having to reshuffle teams constantly and losing iexp, I am quickly running out of patience and tolerance.

Reversal question: If someone joins your league via the LFG tool and you find a player note mentioning they are a dirt bag is it NOT acceptable to kick them? Personally I don't police other players very often or use the rating system but I can think of a thing or two they could do that would make me never want to be in their presence again, let alone lead a large scale event with them around (e.g. a player in another game who once launched into a racist tirade because my avatar had dark skin--future interaction is not even sort of negotiable.). Even in the zone events like Hamidon where I can't kick him/her out of the zone I at least don't have to have him/her in my group.

It's sad when players need a manual to explain basic concepts of politeness to them, in my opinion. I suppose I really shouldn't be surprised. It's the Internet, after all.

I'll reiterate my point, since it's getting overlooked for "There's no rule in the manual against being rude, so it's okay."

A person shouldn't be penalized for using the system as intended. It's no more complex than that.

I do not really like the idea of being able to lock leagues. I think it is much more likely for people to NOT kick, even if they would have preferred to remain "closed". I agree with the following:

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Originally Posted by EvilGeko Is there some recognition by folks on either side of this debate that you're arguing over corner cases? Most of the time, this isn't a big deal. It's like anytime you're dealing with PUGs. Most experiences are fine, it's the few outliers that get your attention. But that doesn't change the fact that the bad experiences are the outliers. Most people won't kick stragglers or care they got dumped into their trial.

I have had several random people from the queue join preformed leagues. I welcome that personally and consider it a good feature.

However, I did kick someone once, just this last week. I own that call totally and I am OK with the fact that it means that one night, in that one instance, I was a jerk. Obviously, I felt I had a good reason, but that does not change the fact that the person I kicked had to join a different run and lost x amount of time.

I do like to occasionally run SG/friends only events. If you gave me the option to close leagues, I would likely use it occasionally. I still do not want the option added because I prefer the trials and LFG system to be as they are now.