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Quote:Nah M8 i was just simply saying as Heads up to avoid all that Nonsense for me i just dont zone with pets. I agree it needs fixing asap but if i know COX like I think I do i wont be holding my breath waiting.Please don't consider this temp solution! As it stands now, my pets occasionally get stuck when zoning. I have to /releasepets and resummon. But I can go hours without my pets getting stuck. Eliminating pet zoning until a bug fix would be far worse. Instead of resummoning every few missions, we'd all have to resummon and rebuff every time.
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Fix this bug where I cannot issues commands to my minions. Fix the bug where if i try to desummon my minions they are still there.
Bug: When zoning with Henchmen or entering a mission with Henchmen or Exiting a mission with henchmen upon rezoning where your intended destination is you cannot issue commands to your henchmen. You also cannot dismiss them either. It's annoying and is a repeat of a bug that used to happen back in the day and was supposedly fixed but you broke it again.
Temp Solution: Dont Zone with pets.
Quality of Life factor issue: Its really annoying having to ressumon pets everytime i zone into a mission. Barely got endurance left. Then have to rebuff them all again and run out of endurance again.... Thermal shields on a Mastermind already cost way too much to use in the first place then your empowerment buffs for your henchmen cost way too much this slows down my mission pace dramatically. Fix the bug so that my pets do what they are supposed to do when i tell them to do it thanks. -
Quote:That still doesnt mean The leader wasnt a *****. He could have at least told the poor guy that it was a private run. Why should that guy who was a victim of a poorly design system have to deal with those types of douches. Politeness is a thing people have forgotten.I disagree. While I don't particularly condone kicking people who are simply the victims of a poorly designed system why should the team leader have been forced to take additional people on his team? At no other point in the game are you forced to add people to your team simply because the game decides you have to take them.
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/reroll into a brute. the trials were obviously rigged so that masterminds and controllers didnt score all the drops because of all that pet damage and debuffs. they wanted to try to make it fair enough for the other archtypes and wound up screwing anything with a bunch of pets.
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Quote:I also have a demon/thermal, but you apparently didn't read that. I have zero problems playing any MM combination, be it bot/traps, or demon/thermal, or merc/pain, or heck even ninja/poison (more on that later)
Zombies recharge just the same as every other MM set, and their unique power actually allows you to create another pet from a dead zombie, which depending on the pet you 'resurrect' it could be just as power as the living version.
We've already been over the AI. Its not limited to masterminds, and if you can't deal with it, then maybe MMs just aren't for you. Plenty of people have not just dealt with the screwy AI, but also thrived off it, and managed to do things that other ATs can't do.
Ok, so you told your zombies to attack an AV, and they all died right away. Well, was the AV debuffed? Did the brute have aggro? Did you actually use your secondary?
I'm guessing you didn't, as your zombies managed to pull aggro off the AV, and proceed to be one shotted. Let me tell you something. ANY PET WILL DIE TO AN AV THAT IS NOT DEBUFFED. Heck, my stone/rads Animate Stone gets 2 shotted all the time and animated stone have double the resistances that MM pets have. You either learn to deal with it, or you adjust your play style to match.
And by adjusting your playstyle i mean actually using your secondary, allow more durable characters to hold aggro so that your squishy pets can actually deal damage, and not just sending them to their doom, which is exactly what you described yourself doing.
Pets have a higher threat modifier then MMs do, heck, they have just as high a threat modifier that brutes and tankers have (4.0) meaning they are designed to be renewable meat shields. If your pets are taking damage, that means your allies aren't, and your team as a whole is better because of it. You mentioned a corruptor on the team, what if he took all that damage your pets did. Yea, your pets would be alive, but i'm pretty sure that corruptor has higher debuff numbers, and better buffs then you do, so he's probably much more valuable then your pets are. Stop being selfish and learn to adapt to the situation at hand.
You have a serious problem with blatant assumptions and seeing what you want to see. Stop responding to me and i will stop responding to you cause as it stands now all you do is see what you want put words in my mouth then respond offa that. Nothing you say has any credibility as far as i am concerned yet. All you do is say its your fault about everything be it right or wrong. I know how to play my class. And if you had actually read the post i made you wouldnt be asking question i already answered. Plus+ stop asking a question and then turning around and answering it yourself. [quote] Well did you use your secondary, did the brute have agro, [quote/] Stop trying to play me like i am retarded bruh. I aint just started playing COX yesterday i know what i am doing. You got it all wrong and tbh you cant even comment on something you werent there to witness. And you cant comment on something you didnt even bother to really read. None of your responces even relate to what was actually said. Just go sit in a corner man, right now what you typing is useless for me. -
Quote:They dont even act the way they were designed let alone the way they should. I could care less if they dont act the way i want. I want my Ninjas to be able to Kill Hamidon by themselves but that would be OP so I'll just settle for them acting the way they were designed to. On a side note, I took my zombies into the respect tf to gain a respec in case i ever needed one. I told my zombies, after we cleared the COT, to attack the Thorn tree. Before they could even run up to the tree and brawl it or hit it they were all dead before i could even click a single heal. Thats coool I'll just resummon no biggie they disposable. Before i could even summon my Lich they were all dead again. Finally I back away from the tree to summon outside of the damage because summoning right there was rather stupid on my part. Come back up to heal the corrupter that was getting thrashed on and my pets followed in BG mode By the time CLicked the heal on the Corrupter to bring here back from the brink of defeat. Not only were my pets dead I wasnt far behind them. At that point i decided to not summon again and just focus on keeping the Brute and the Corr alive since they didnt seem to like having a green bar. Is this as designed? Should I not play MMs cause i apparently suck.? Man get real.after looking back through this post, i've seen that a lot of people are using the same arguments (or, those same arguments are being said over an over by the same people) so i thought i'd address a few of the most common ones.
if i say "my bots aren't having any trouble" people respond with "well, bots are just better then ninjas, ninjas need to be fixed," and while i agree that ninjas aren't perfect, consider this, is fire the same as ice? no, it's not, fire does more damage, ice slows things down, they'll still kill an enemy, just in different ways. ninjas are designed for single target, melee damage while bots are designed for AoE, ranged damage. is ranged better then melee? yes and no, ranged is safer, while melee does more damage. bots aren't better then ninjas, they're just further from harm, so adjust your strategy to accommodate that.
the next major argument is that pet AI is dumber then players are (which may or may not always be true) but then, so are the enemies, and they don't have a player controlling them. if your pets are doing something you don't like, make them stop. it's true that the in-game controls are a little clumsy for that, so look at some of the excellent MM bind threads to learn how to control your pets easier. after all, it's not the grunts but the officers who are expected to lead.
the next two arguments come hand in hand, and they are "my pets are my damage, and they aren't very good at it" and "my secondary uses too much end". see, as MMs we are blessed in that we never have to choose when to attack and when to support. as a defender, you always have to ask yourself "should i be supporting here, or would attacking be more beneficial?" MMs get to attack WHILE they are supporting, and since our damage comes from our pets, we don't need to waste any endurance attacking and can focus only on our support powers. every other AT has to take turns and both their support AND their attacks cost endurance, but for MMs, only the support uses end, the attack is handled by the end of 6 other guys (bots, demons, whatever).
so, are MMs harder to use then some other ATs? yes. and do they do less damage in some places then other ATs? yes, but then, the same could be said for stalkers, or dominators, or even tanks. the ATs aren't supposed to all be the same, that's the point. but here's my point, if you don't like playing MMs because they are more challenging then the other ATs, don't play MMs, and don't cry for help just because they don't act exactly they way you think they should. learn to love them, or play something else., -
Dude, we get it you just dont want to run the risk of your AWESOMESAUCE Bots mm getting a nerf because we asking for a buff for the other sets. Go away.We need our buff. You go sit in the corner with your bots. Seems like to me you are saying MMs dont need ANYTHING and no matter how many videos to SUPER DUPER awesome bots you show that wont ever be true because I want MY zombies or MY ninjas or MY mercs to be SUPER too. Why cant we all be super like your super bots. I dont wanna use bots to be super. It would be different if Ninjas or Zombies or Mercs were good at other things besides getting /Facepalmed. But for now we all want our MMs to be SUPER too. Or at least perform they way they supposed to. Heck maybe if they just started with tweaking the AI for the pets and making it perform better and maybe lowering the recharge for some of the pets Like Zombies that within itself would go a long way towards buffing MMs. But until then we gotta do something because as it stands now MMs are NOT fine the way they are. So just stop saying they dont need a fix/buff when they really do. Again go sit in the corner with your bots man.
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I have always been pro IO set bonuses affecting pets. If there is a concern for balance easiest way to fix that would be to do it in the same way in which they are summoned. Tier 3 pets get full benefits from all your set bonuses, tier 2 get 75% of your set bonuses and tier 1 pets would get 50% of your set bonuses. That would work and be o so lovely not to mention I wouldnt feel like i was the Forsaken step child when it comes to IO sets and MMs.
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Quote:LMAO Like i thought bots, thanks for proving my point. And your wrong MM secondaries DO NOT have the same numbers as controllers and corrupters. It's less and with higher endurance costs. I dont have time to go digging through 2 years of old threads showing you old posts from devs and doing number crunching for you is out of the question. Go do your own math if you want numbers. And i do beleive that this whole thread is mainly about the Primaries of MMs and less about the secondaries. If you dont MMs to get buffed then get out of this thread go start one about how MMs dont need a buff. This one is for "buff MM!! Seriously!! Dont let the door hit you on the way out.First off, wall of text for the lose.
Secondly http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7941000579334#
Duo ITF, with a MM and a Dom.
Thirdly, MMs don't need a buff. Show me this post please
The MM secondaries are the same numbers of corruptors and controllers, with just slightly higher endurance values. Do corruptors and Controllers need a buff too?
The point is if I can do all these super duper awesome things WIHOUT the buff your mentioning, then with the buffs I can do all these super duper awesome things AND THEN SOME. And we'll get posts about people saying MMs need a nerf.
Give me numbers, give me facts, because there are plenty of people in this thread that have already told you they can do all these super duper awesome things, and just because you can't, you want a buff? Adjust to the situations at hand, Obviously you can't, as your preaching for a buff on a AT that really doesn't need it.
On a different note your video really only proves the point that the gap between bots/thugs and other mm primaries is way too big. Nerf Bots/Thugs or Buff the other primaries accordingly. Also, your video would have more credibility for this post if it wasnt chock full of temp power usage. Also, how come everytime someone talks about the MM primary needing a good fix/buff everyone always starts talking about the secondaries. I love the MM secondaries, i just hate how most of the primaries are f___ up save for Bots/Thugs. Plus I aint asking for some super duper buff that will make them OPed i just want a few things i think would fix the primaries.
1) Your set bonuses should effect your henchmen.
2)Your Boss and LT. Henchmen should be your level. You minions should be one under you.
3)There should be AN AI command that allows you to specify if you want your henchies to prefer range or melee
4)Body Guard should have its range increased to at least a 150-200ft radius and all your powers that affect you and your team should affect them as long as they are in BG range
5) Pets that have specific abilities like heals and such should be able to take those set IOS as it stands now only a couple abilites can be enhanced through IOs and none of your pets benefit from the set bonuses which isnt fair cause everyone elses primaries benefit directly from the set bonus's such as +damage +tohit+ whatever
I dont think that is too much to ask for. They are your attacks after all. And as such they should benefit the same way everyone elses attacks do. So you coming on here showing us a video of how A BOTS mastermind can duo some tf with a dom right after the end of my post says that if you do have a mm its Probably bots is pretty funny and ironic to me. -
O M G. After a two year break from the game so much has changed I consider myself a nooob all over again. Its like a reintroduction of sorts but, um errr why do i feel like i need to know advanced physics in order to pvp. I play in PVE and everything seems so familiar so cozy. I play chars that i have had since forever and they just feel natural. THEN, I step into a pvp zone and it feeels like i just walked into the TWILIGHT ZONE. Everything is so alien. My powers dont perform like advertised in pve. I keeep running around RV thinking Ashton Kutcher is gonna jump out at any moment and scream yo, you been punked. Biggest practical joke the Devs ever conceived since ED. Even then i could forge through ed and the Controller "rebalancing" of issue 6. But this this is just wrong on so many levels.
They finally did what we joked about since arena first came. Made everyone Generic Heroes #1-X. For what we have in pvp now why not just Strip the auras, costumes, and capes; take away every power but brawl and let us brawl each other to death. Well basically thats what it is now anyway just a brawl fest with some pretty sparks and now you can color your brawl power a pretty lil pink color. With what we have now rename this to City of Vanilla Flavored manikins. Or better yet City of Vanilla Flavored Manikins vs. KM/scrappers and Psi/EM Blasters. Seriously wtf. O and btw LOve the letter OP/em off to wait for GW2 -
Quote:I think that right there is a joke. I know first hand that an SR can beat a widow in a 1v1 duel, maybe not a fort, but definitely a widow. Unless you throw mass amounts of purple/pvp IO's in it, but if you do that to just about anything it becomes extremely difficult to beat.
The problem is T9's are so loaded the rest often lacks. If elude took a slight nerf and the toggles for widows/sr's were given a boost it would result in a more balanced set.
I'm sorry but did you actually read the guys post. He never said anything about /sr or widows fighting. What he said was because of the fact that widows apparently stack the 30 elusitivity bonus it got nerfed to 10. How does that equate into /SR can beat widows? -
Quote:You do realize that I was in COV beta so of course i know MMs didnt always have BG mode. All you did was skim over my post picked out the things you wanted to flame me for and then move on without really adding anything useful to the thread. You didnt even bother to read my wall of text in it's entirety. Fact is I been playing masterminds for a long long time sonny boy and another fact is I play them well. That doesnt mean that I havent noticed A TON of blatantly obvious issues with the AT. The DEVS already stated in the past when they gave MMs BG Mode that the AT was and always will be pet dependent and as such were balanced around PETS. Your post basically in a nutshell told me to not look at that fact and focus in on MY secondary more. That being said some of the secondaries suck too. But w/e mileage may vary. I have several Great MM builds. I always will hold a special little place in my heart for the MM. I know how to adjust fire when need be and adjust my tactics when need be. But playerskill can only take you so far, ESPECIALLY when there so many obvious shortcomings with the MM AT. So many obvious unfair things like pets that can heal unable to take Healing IOsets,You do realize there was a time when MMs didn't have bodyguard mode right?
And the Archetype worked just fine back then. How can over 75% of the enhancements (we're talking actual enhancements right? not set bonuses) not affect the MM, when they affect the secondary of the AT, as well as benefits the slotting of the primary? There is nothing to fix, no other AT has BUILT IN 75% resistance to EVERTYHING. We're talking even Hamidon's damage, things that are flagged to be unresistable, and a MM can take as much as 75% less damage from them.
Pets are expendable. yes, they are the MM's main source of damage, but a MM still has their secondary, which has the same debuff values as corruptors and controllers. yes, it costs more endurance for a mastermind, but thats because they have the ability to focus entirely on their secondary while their primary is handled via binds of macros, which don't require any recharge, or waiting to work.
Aside from the lower hitpoints of the pets (which are still just as high, if not higher then the Masterminds hitpoints) the level difference of the pets is made up by the fact that each of the lower level pets have multiple pets. the t1 pets have 3, so while they are -2 level to the MM, there are 3 of them, which more then makes up for the purple patch. the t2 pets are in the same boat, there are 2 of them, so being at -1 is more then made up. The t3 pet is even level to the mastermind, and usually does the most damage and has the best survival (higher resistance/defense in addition to the highest hitpoints)
If you are having problems with masterminds then its your own issue, its not an issue of the masterminds themselves. while we would LOVE a buff, its just not needed as masterminds can steamroll both AV/GMs and missions set for 8 players with ease. Heck, most MMs can enable rest, set their pets to aggressive, and go afk, and when they come back the entire room is cleared.
There is 0 reason for MM buff, outside of fixing the AI so ranged pets stay ranged, and melee pets stay melee. While i personally feel Ninjas may need to be looked over, as they have no inherent healing, and limited inherent resistance/defense, they still have the highest single target damage of all the primaries, assuming you can keep them alive long enough to deal their damage. The name of the game is also AoEs, so single target MMs really aren't all that useful. Its not the fault of the MM, its just how the game has been made to be played.
Again, just because YOU can't play MMs, doesn't mean they need a buff. Just means you need to learn to play better.
or benefit from the set bonuses. That sir no matter what you say isnt fair or right. And thats just one of several examples of how the mastermind AT as a whole gets screwed over.
Boy stop. First of all stop assuming. I never once said I Cant play an MM. That was all you. I never said that there arent a few mastermind primaries that can do super duper awesome stuff. That was all you. I dont think I want to be balanced @ the fact that you personally can do all the stuff you say you can do. And I aint saying i believe you can do it either. I personally never seen you do it so at this point its just random gibber jabber from some random guy. Make a vid of you doing all this wonderful powerful stuff with YOUR mm and then maybe I am more inclined to believe you. IN any case just because you "SAY" you can do all that stuff with "Your" MM doesnt mean I can do it with my MM.
And just because i cant do it with my MM doesnt mean I dont know how to play an MM. Boy Stop. Dont use this thread as a way to personally attack a guy you dont even know its not cute and not appreciated. Fact is no matter what you say MMs get the short end of the stick hands down. I think i know when and why BG mode was Implemented. The shear fact that they implemented it says that they were aware of problems with the AT. BG mode wasnt and still isnt the endall/beall blanket fix for MM. Before BG there were problems and there are still problems after it that need addressing. So before you write off another player because according to you they apparently cant play an MM because they cant solo AVs OR GMs or do all the super duper bad stuff you can do, do yourself a favor and dont. Go play your super duper bad MM and leave the rest of us with problems with our MMs alone. And i bet this so called great MM is a bot MM. Boy stop. -
Quote:So an entire at should be balanced around endgame content when no other one is?i'd have to sat that in general, MMs don't need to be buffed, they're fine as is. however, having said that, there are some places they are at a disadvantage. in normal missions and TFs you can adjust the difficulty so that if your tier 1 pets aren't doing any damage you can fix it, but in the trials, you have no choice but to fight +4s. however, since you can, eventually, get up to +3 with level shifts, giving MMs an overall buff is a bad thing because they will only become overpowered at that lvl shift. i think, if the devs did anything, the only help MMs really need is from AoE attacks while they are still fighting +4s. so, maybe give MM pets a scaling def to AoEs (in trials only) that gets smaller as the MM gains more level shifts. i think that's all they would really need to preform at an equal standing to the other ATs. i really don't think they need any kind of damage boost, because that can be taken care of with proper use of both alpha (+dam) and interface (-dam res) slots.
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Thats not funny even in the slightest. You shouldnt do that. No need to reply, you and i both know what you meant.
As far as this topic goes, I agree Buff MMs. Make the tier 2 pets the same level as the MM move the tier 1 pets up a level so they 1 under the MM across the board. Give em a 10% hp boost and damage boost and make it so that body guard mode doesnt have that stupid range restriction and that would be a good start to buffing this AT. I remeber back in the day when the devs gave MMs BG mode and was all like MMs dependant on pets and all that yakkkity smack. If that holds true then Pets should also be affected by the MMs slotting and IO set bonuses as well. Pets are the MM's life source without them they are dead. No other ATs survivability is so closely tide in to pets like that. All other ATS slot and most of their powers are affected by enhancements and set bonuses save for the lowly MM in which case 75% or even more of the enhancements dont benefit the MM or the Pets he/she is so closely tied into. That needs to be fixed and addressed. But of course the nay sayers will come in with all that no no cause it will make x set more oped than this set blah, Then offer up some highly confusing alternative solution that envolves more Math than NASA uses to launch rockets. Bleh
Blah blah bots/thugs meh Primaries arent OPed for MM's its always the secondary which is really gonna sync well and make the primary shine or not sync well and suck three ways to sunday. As with any AT your mileage may vary depending on the powers you chose. -
I recently decided to return to COH/COV/Rogue after a 2 years break to pursue other interest.
Saw alot of interesting things about the new Going Rogue expansion and decided to try it out.
Love most of it but that isnt the problem. The problem is that i cannot play it w/o massive Spikes of what appears to be graphical "lag" When i am in missions and activate powers or have more than one or two enemies beating up on me the game is totally unplayable. Frames drop to like 2-3 frames.
From my previous experiences with running COX i knew that before attempting to play this again i would need to update my GPU because my previous one crapped put on me. I purchased an Visiontek Radeon 5670 2gb ddr3 card thinking i would be good to go. Uninstalled the Crappy geforce 6150se that came in my machine. Uninstalled its drivers. After a reboot I popped in the new card, installed the updated drivers, rebooted again, and thought i was good to go. The game itself renders beautifully with the card. No lag in zones running around not really doing much. I go inside a mission get attacked by the mobs and i experience the most terrible frame rate loss ever.
Having had bad experiences with Visiontek cards in the past i take the card back and exchange it for the XFX Radeon HD 6770 card. Repeated the steps above. Same thing happens. I aint a genius of any sorts and my typing sucks but TWO different cards from two different manufacturers tells e something else is going on. I have tried so many different things nothing seems to help.
If anyone is willing to help me out here my pc specs are as follows
HP Pavillion M9402f
Windows Vista SP2
Ram 7GB
Processor AMD Phenom 9650 Quad@2.3ghz
GPU XFX Radeon HD 6770 1GBddr5 PCIex16
Sound Realtek High Definition Audio Card or w/e
All drivers were updated by me and not through the windows system update although my system is up to date. So i have the latest drivers for all my hardware and by all points this game should be blazing alive. So i dont know what it could be. I was thinking maybe bad drivers and actually went through a few of em but all didnt seem to work well with coh. I dont know what else to do besides throw the computer out the window and jump out after it. ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!
Thanks in Advance
O btw yes I have check for viruses , malware and the like. All my antivirus definitions are up to date. System appears totally clean. Norton and Malwarebytes claim i am good to go on that front cause i was thinking maybe i had roaches in my pc.COX and the NCSOFT updater have both been given thier exceptions through the firewall and arent hindered through that. -
No Wai dewd he's a cheap Dave Chappelle knock off/replacement.
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Then what would be the point of playing a MMORPG if you couldnt team with other players?
How can you make an intelligent/informed decision on spending money for a MMORPG if you cant fully explore what it is your gonna be paying for. Gold Farmers= bad but I think there are other ways to keep them in check other than this. Plus real RMT"S/Gold Farmers pay the 15 bucks and invest into making the hundreds/thousands of dollars they make off of the player base. I think all in all limiting trial accounts all in all is a bad move that only limits the amount of new subscribers that this game will get. Bad marketing move if u ask me.
FArmers are farmers and limiting trial accounts will only pu a minor speed bump in the usual way they do things. They will always find more creative ways to get the uber lewt. And as long as there are players willing to pay them for their time it will never stop. -
Ummmm, call me stupid, but pets dont just start ignorin you at 40 they ignore you from level 1. They may just be ignorin you cause you made 40 and think you are teh uberest J/K
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Well i loove the whole thug idea and so far my only problem i saw from the start was that the "thugs" dont really loook all like thugs to me. They actually look more like Punk Rockers or Potheads (no offence intended). I for one hope that this doesn't start a flame but i'd like to see the thugs look a bit more "urban" or "ethnic". I mean they are thugs the roughest of the rough straight "hood" or "urban" so give em do rags and baggy pants and tanktop shirts and such not Red Hair that is a bad Mohawk or emerald green pants. Until City of Villains came out i for one had a hard time finding an Urban looking npc let alone i dont think i have ever seen an Urban looking Matermind pet ever and i have spawned then dozens and dozens of times. I'd like to see this lot of MM pets dedicated to the small number of urban players who dont get recognized in-game as much
Took me awhile but i finally spawned a thug that looked a lil more urban YaY!! Pretty hard for me to spawn them that way but it's cool they kinda look like me but that Punk rocker seems to come up alot but i guess if you dont like the way one looks that you can just ressummon huh. And i am with the other people about that whistling.Need to get a new emote for the summon. It's annoying and not likely to really happen in the "thug community" I am more prone to the cell phone or maybe even like a pager going off and the character checks his pager and thugs come running.That'd be cool or better still when you try to summon your thugs your character just pulls out his pistol and fires like 3-4 shots in the air like real thugs do and then they come running. Now that'd be sweet and no one would get too tired of that animation.Example....activate tier one summon then Character procedes to pulling out a pistol and goes blam blam blam into the air and then the thugs come running.Shots fired get your butts here my thug homies lol that'd be sweet.
But seriously they need to "look" more like thugs and not weed smoking college students that have bad hair days and cant afford new clothes i mean what is up with those outfits they wear lets get some do-rags and gold jewelry on em and some Jerzies or tank-top's. aka "wife beaters" That thug sumon emote is way worse than any i have ever seen for as emotes go and i seen em all. Oh and for the tier three pet summon i'd like to see it where police sirens sound and then he comes running up and then looks around like he is wondering if the police saw him anyway thats my 5 cents worth