Hubris, the New AV


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Agreed. In a world populated with extraordinary beings whose decisions affect the very universe, everyday people are often no more than hapless bystanders.

To be fair in most Super hero settings, remaining an ordinary person is down to personal apathy and laziness.

Heck in City of heroes there are shops that sell cybernetic upgrades all over the place.


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I think I've read a story where Batman comments that he is glad Superman grew up around the Kents. Same idea, Clark learned humility and the value of other people at an early age.


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Originally Posted by Beastyle View Post
But I'm 50+8...am I not entitled to my hubris?


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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
"Rise before Zod"
*rises*
"Kneel before Zod"
*kneels*
"Rise before Zod"
*rises*
"Kneel before Zod"
No wonder he's so #$&@! unpopular.

EDIT: Also, FPARN



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The First, the Last, the One.

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When we finally confront Tyrant, if he says "kneel before Cole" in the cutscene, that will be the single greatest thing in the game ever


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When we finally confront Tyrant, if he says "kneel before Cole" in the cutscene, that will be the single greatest thing in the game ever
I think the full line must be "Sons of the Well, KNEEL BEFORE COLE!"



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I think the full line must be "Sons of the Well, KNEEL BEFORE COLE!"
There are some daughters too, not just sons

But any showdown with Tyrant totally has to have us standing outside the window of his tower, with the text option of "Emperor, would you care to step outside?"


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There are some daughters too, not just sons
I know that, but it has the same rhythm as the original.

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But any showdown with Tyrant totally has to have us standing outside the window of his tower, with the text option of "Emperor, would you care to step outside?"
Not before seeing Cole turn to Marauder and ask "Who is this imbecile?"



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There are some daughters too, not just sons

But any showdown with Tyrant totally has to have us standing outside the window of his tower, with the text option of "Emperor, would you care to step outside?"
Also valid:

"Tyrant! We would have words with thee!"
"We're selling these fine leather jackets."
"Open up or we'll huff, and we'll puff, and we'll blow the tower down!"
"Hey, just between us, Cole, what ARE you compensating for with that tower?"
"Spiderling scout cookies!"
"No seriously, you have a gigantic tower and a statue of yourself outside the door. That just screams 'insecure'."
"Dibs on the helmet!"


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And what would it be like to live alongside those beings, during a collapse of civilization, knowing that they were the only hope of civilization being rebuilt, the only ones restoring the technological infrastructure of civilization, the only ones imposing law of any kind? Especially if you knew, in most places, that they insisted that their help for you was conditional on accepting their divine/human descendants, and those descendants' descendants, as our hereditary rulers for all time, because somehow that one drop of ichor in their blood, that one trace of divine DNA in there hypothetically somehow, made them better suited to rule us than we could possibly be? That's what it was like living among gods; and I think that at times, like in the issue 19 Ray Cooling arc "Bad People, Good Intentions," City of Heroes comes close to portraying that.
I'm getting hints of Zardoz. All very interesting.


 

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Also valid:

"Tyrant! We would have words with thee!"
"We're selling these fine leather jackets."
"Open up or we'll huff, and we'll puff, and we'll blow the tower down!"
"Hey, just between us, Cole, what ARE you compensating for with that tower?"
"Spiderling scout cookies!"
"No seriously, you have a gigantic tower and a statue of yourself outside the door. That just screams 'insecure'."
"Dibs on the helmet!"
It's good to know that if Steelclaw is otherwise occupied saving the world, another hero will come to our assistance!


"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"

"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."

 

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There are some daughters too, not just sons

But any showdown with Tyrant totally has to have us standing outside the window of his tower, with the text option of "Emperor, would you care to step outside?"
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Also valid:

"Tyrant! We would have words with thee!"
"We're selling these fine leather jackets."
"Open up or we'll huff, and we'll puff, and we'll blow the tower down!"
"Hey, just between us, Cole, what ARE you compensating for with that tower?"
"Spiderling scout cookies!"
"No seriously, you have a gigantic tower and a statue of yourself outside the door. That just screams 'insecure'."
"Dibs on the helmet!"
Can we add in, "We seek the holy grail!"?


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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
Can we add in, "We seek the holy grail!"?
"Can you hear me now?"


 

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Also valid:

"Tyrant! We would have words with thee!"
"We're selling these fine leather jackets."
"Open up or we'll huff, and we'll puff, and we'll blow the tower down!"
"Hey, just between us, Cole, what ARE you compensating for with that tower?"
"Spiderling scout cookies!"
"No seriously, you have a gigantic tower and a statue of yourself outside the door. That just screams 'insecure'."
"Dibs on the helmet!"
And for Sword using scrappers.

"Evil meet my sword, SWORD, MEET EVIL!"


 

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And for Sword using scrappers.

"Evil meet my sword, SWORD, MEET EVIL!"
"Well hello Mister Fancypants! I've got news for you pal, you ain't leading but two things right now..."


 

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This guy? You mean the one who got beaten by the equivalent of traffic lights changing colors?



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Originally Posted by Moderator 05 View Post
Agreed. In a world populated with extraordinary beings whose decisions affect the very universe, everyday people are often no more than hapless bystanders.
"In the end, the world didn't need a super man...just a brave one." -- C. Kent

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That being said, the morality of heroes and villains is always up in the air. Would they be callous or empathic? Would their morality change as they received more power?
"Captain America was wrong. Power doesn't corrupt, it just magnifies what's already there." -- Tigra


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Hubris fails to destroy? Hubris as a pet? Divine punishment for Hubris? My Brute, Lord Hubris, is worried by this conversation.



(Incidentally, you can meet him and his Dickensian sidekick, The Chimneysweep, in AE Arc "The Steaming of the Punks.")


 

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Hubris fails to destroy? Hubris as a pet? Divine punishment for Hubris? My Brute, Lord Hubris, is worried by this conversation.



(Incidentally, you can meet him and his Dickensian sidekick, The Chimneysweep, in AE Arc "The Steaming of the Punks.")
....So much win.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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He's not an incarnate. He's a very naughty Tyrant



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(Incidentally, you can meet him and his Dickensian sidekick, The Chimneysweep, in AE Arc "The Steaming of the Punks.")
Fetch me my fighting trousers.


 

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That being said, the morality of heroes and villains is always up in the air. Would they be callous or empathic? Would their morality change as they received more power?
Quite. You see, the ancient Greeks were on to something I think was lost in America during the Golden Age of Comics, when Americans decided that their heroes "should be" morally unflappable. Positive role models, like most Golden Age superheroes, do serve viable social function: they teach us what sort of people our society would like us to be.

But relentlessly good heroes fall short as a measuring stick in one very critical way. Or I suppose I should say they're too good at what they do to fulfill their societal purpose. Imagine, if you will, growing up in a society with myths not unlike those of the Greeks or Romans. Now imagine that the heroes aren't flawed: Heracles lacks his rage, Odysseus his pride. Now imagine you're told, consciously or unconsciously, that these are people you should try to emulate.

You'd never really succeed. In fact, it'd be downright frustrating to try. Your heroes wouldn't have any room for your humanity, with its vagaries and imperfections.

The vices held by Beowulf and Peter Parker alike teach us more about being human than their virtues ever could, because those vices teach us that we, as consumers of media possessing our own flaws, can be heroes as well. That said, a character dominated by vice instead of virtue stops being a hero and becomes a warning instead: a mythic "what not to be," but that's another discussion.


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When we finally confront Tyrant, if he says "kneel before Cole" in the cutscene, that will be the single greatest thing in the game ever
Followed by all the players yelling "GET STUFFED!" and kicking him inna fork.


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He's not an incarnate. He's a very naughty Tyrant
All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what has Emperor Cole and the other Praetorians ever done for us?


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Let's face it: a world with superheroes and supervillains in it would REALLY BITE if you weren't one of them.
Or: Arachnos is right. It's not that they actively hate their unexceptional citizens; they're just not important enough to matter, and unlike in Paragon City, they don't bother to pretend otherwise. You can phrase it callously, as Arachnos does - we're not going to help you because it's not important to do so - or you can phrase it diplomatically, as Paragon does - we're not handing out mediporters to everyone, because they're a limited resource, and saving heroes so they can continue to protect citizens saves more lives than using those resources to help citizens directly - but the upshot is more or less the same. All men are not created equal, and that has practical consequences.

Weirdly, the best hope for a fair and civil society may be to empower everyone - and Arachnos is working harder on that than any "good" faction, simply because of their neverending need for foot soldiers and their willingness to rush in where angels fear to tread. Come to think of it, a lot of the antagonist factions are far more liberal in dispensing power to the people than any of the nominally righteous...


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