You did NOT just say that? Did you?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-04-12 16:58 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by galadiman
I find this humorous. "I want to RP... as long as there are no outside influences to affect my RP, which could enable me to react to the situation in an in-character sort of way. I want a very tightly controlled environment in which to RP. I'd like everyone to stand in a designated space, recite lines that I have specifically laid out, and not bring any random elements into this little space I have designated that might disrupt my elaborately staged reality."
Isn't RP, um, playing a role? Don't people react to the circumstances in which they find themselves? So what you're looking for is the absence of any RP; instead, you'd like a set piece performance, which others are free to watch. Kudos! I'll be over here, not participating in that in any way. |
I personally dislike 'bubble' RP, but there is a difference between not interacting with people who aren't in you cliche and acknowledging a griefer IC, or that the zone is going to cack and lagging out IC'ly.
React IC to IC things, the OOC stuff isn't there for your character.
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Originally Posted by galadiman
I find this humorous. "I want to RP... as long as there are no outside influences to affect my RP, which could enable me to react to the situation in an in-character sort of way. I want a very tightly controlled environment in which to RP. I'd like everyone to stand in a designated space, recite lines that I have specifically laid out, and not bring any random elements into this little space I have designated that might disrupt my elaborately staged reality."
Isn't RP, um, playing a role? Don't people react to the circumstances in which they find themselves? So what you're looking for is the absence of any RP; instead, you'd like a set piece performance, which others are free to watch. Kudos! I'll be over here, not participating in that in any way. |
What people are asking for is for people to not spam powers 'because they can'. And stuff like that.
A prime example was the Tool Of Christmas Past. He was bright green, dressed in a Santa outfit, and ran around the chalet with Whirlwind on. All the time. Purposefully shunting into groups of people. And no, this wasn't 'something to react to IC' this was someone purposefully being a d*uchebag, who even said he was just doing it to aggrivate people.
Thankfully, Avatea was nice enough to drop by and ban him, but I'd lay odds on him being back next year. Sadly.
So, no. RPers, in the vast majority, are not that banal. Those that are tend not to last long.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Ah, ok. If it's intentional griefing, that's one thing. Not Cool.
But if a bunch of heroes and villains find themselves gathering for an epic mission in PD, and some of those people who have recently acquired Phenomenal Cosmic Power in this endeavor can't help but test out those powers and revel in the experience, that seems perfectly RP-consistent.
I felt that was more like what the object of the OP's derision was referring to. If I am mistaken, I take back my comments. If not, I shall taunt you a second time. 
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We've got that. It's called the RWZ.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Honestly a new "Trial Launching zone" might be the best possible solution to all this.
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But apparently people launching trials don't like it because it's full of people launching trials.
And that annoys them so much that they go to the Pocket D to launch trials because there's no one there launching trials, and are then surprised that people are annoyed at them for launching trials there.
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Suggesting someone should "go elsewhere" is rude, no matter how politely it is phrased. Period. Only someone with an extraordinary sense of entitlement would think otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Correct. However, thats not what was stated in the OP.
So, the asker realised it might be taken as being a tad assinine, but was respectful enough to word it nicely and say thank you. I can pretty much guarentee the same would not be the true if situations were reveresed. So, sure, it might not be 'right' for someone to ask that. But nor is it right for others to then slag them off because of a civil request. Two wrongs don't make a right, after all. |
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You're in a bar having a pleasant evening with good friends, when a drunk walks in.|
Originally Posted by Detective_Zero
Suggesting someone should "go elsewhere" is rude, no matter how politely it is phrased. Period. Only someone with an extraordinary sense of entitlement would think otherwise.
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The drunk is loud and obnoxious. Said drunk stands right in front of you, between you and your friends, and starts yelling, using the flash on his cameraphone, pees in your beer, and generally making it impossible to ignore him.
You move to another part of the bar but he follows you and does exactly the same.
You leave the bar and try one down the steet. Another drunk turns up in THAT bar, and does the same thing
Do you:
A) Ask the drunk nicely to leave you alone and go away?
B) Give up and go home, bringing your entire evening to an end?
C) Punch him in the face?
D) Speak to the bar staff and get the drunk thrown out?
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Blanket power suppression in Pocket D would be kind of amusing.
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Why do they rock the Heal Aura at the Markets? Grrr...|
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
I just have to ask, is there a specific reason people forming trails feel the need to spam heal auras and rain powers and throw short-duration buffs on anyone within range? Because that causes unnecessary lag for everyone, RPers and trial runners alike. You can't tell me that not doing it will inconvenience anyone.
And to the OP: It's spelled ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Pet peeve of mine. |
Also, it's spelled T-R-I-A-L-S. :P (*Lots* of people doing that. Just do a forum search on "trail".)
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Thats not really true at all. Personally I avoid starting trials in RWZ because there are 3 other TFs plus MS raids that start there. Forming iTrials there are inconvient for all the people trying to form their LGTFs, their Tin mages, their Apex's and If a MS raid is going on that instance of the zone is basicly useless for anyone forming an iTrial.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
We've got that. It's called the RWZ.
But apparently people launching trials don't like it because it's full of people launching trials. And that annoys them so much that they go to the Pocket D to launch trials because there's no one there launching trials, and are then surprised that people are annoyed at them for launching trials there. . |
IMHO, RWZ is the worst place to start an iTrial.
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I agree with this for all of the reasons listed.
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Originally Posted by Fritzdog
Thats not really true at all. Personally I avoid starting trials in RWZ because there are 3 other TFs plus MS raids that start there. Forming iTrials there are inconvient for all the people trying to form their LGTFs, their Tin mages, their Apex's and If a MS raid is going on that instance of the zone is basicly useless for anyone forming an iTrial.
IMHO, RWZ is the worst place to start an iTrial. |
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Can't I choose E) All of the above? |
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
You're in a bar having a pleasant evening with good friends, when a drunk walks in.
The drunk is loud and obnoxious. Said drunk stands right in front of you, between you and your friends, and starts yelling, using the flash on his cameraphone, pees in your beer, and generally making it impossible to ignore him. You move to another part of the bar but he follows you and does exactly the same. You leave the bar and try one down the steet. Another drunk turns up in THAT bar, and does the same thing Do you: A) Ask the drunk nicely to leave you alone and go away? B) Give up and go home, bringing your entire evening to an end? C) Punch him in the face? D) Speak to the bar staff and get the drunk thrown out? |
Actually until I got the results I wanted I'd escalate from A, D, C, B.
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No, the RWZ is for people who want to run the RWZ missions, Vanguard TFs and Mothership Raids. It's popular as a launching pad for Incarnate Raids because it's easy to get to, has all required facilities and is co-op but that does not make it a "raid zone".|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
We've got that. It's called the RWZ.
But apparently people launching trials don't like it because it's full of people launching trials. And that annoys them so much that they go to the Pocket D to launch trials because there's no one there launching trials, and are then surprised that people are annoyed at them for launching trials there. |
Having everyone in the RWZ makes running a Mothership Raid harder since you need the Incarnate Raiders to clear out of one instance to make room.
The idea behind a dedicated Raid Launching Zone is to allow lots of people to gather for raids without causing problems for any non-raiders. All of the current options inconvenience some other portion of the playerbase (either TFers, MS Raiders or RPers).
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When a bunch of people are in one place, doing an activity, and have been doing so for a long time, for a second bunch of people to show up with no consideration for the others who were there is what is actually rude. |
Originally Posted by Detective_Zero
Suggesting someone should "go elsewhere" is rude, no matter how politely it is phrased. Period. Only someone with an extraordinary sense of entitlement would think otherwise.
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Now, frankly, them being there isnt an issue. I use PD myself on Union, as do many others.
But telling the first bunch to 'get over themselves' just because they are RPers, or 'stop being special snowflakes' is just as rude and hypocritical as anything said to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Given all that, then, why on earth does PD qualify?
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
No, the RWZ is for people who want to run the RWZ missions, Vanguard TFs and Mothership Raids. It's popular as a launching pad for Incarnate Raids because it's easy to get to, has all required facilities and is co-op but that does not make it a "raid zone".
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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If I'm the drunk, I get bent out of shape when they ask me to stop being a jackass and then head off to the nearest forums to bellyache about how rude those people were. |
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
The drunk is loud and obnoxious. Said drunk stands right in front of you, between you and your friends, and starts yelling, using the flash on his cameraphone, pees in your beer, and generally making it impossible to ignore him.
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Using that logic, the Incarnate trials are Praetorian content, set in Praetoria, so why don't you start them in Praetoria? you have all the facilities there that you need. |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
No, the RWZ is for people who want to run the RWZ missions, Vanguard TFs and Mothership Raids. It's popular as a launching pad for Incarnate Raids because it's easy to get to, has all required facilities and is co-op but that does not make it a "raid zone".
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@FloatingFatMan
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In other words, you feel more entitled to be in Pocket D - especially more than someone not playing CoH the way *you* prefer to play it...regardless if they are a paying subscriber with no more or less right to be there than you. OK.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
When a bunch of people are in one place, doing an activity, and have been doing so for a long time, for a second bunch of people to show up with no consideration for the others who were there is what is actually rude.
Now, frankly, them being there isnt an issue. I use PD myself on Union, as do many others. But telling the first bunch to 'get over themselves' just because they are RPers, or 'stop being special snowflakes' is just as rude and hypocritical as anything said to the contrary. |
I guess expecting people to have an adult, live-and-let-live attitude in this game is just too much to hope for.
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Oh wow, nice strawman there.|
Originally Posted by Detective_Zero
In other words, you feel more entitled to be in Pocket D - especially more than someone not playing CoH the way *you* prefer to play it...regardless if they are a paying subscriber with no more or less right to be there than you. OK.
I guess expecting people to have an adult, live-and-let-live attitude in this game is just too much to hope for. |
I don't mind them being in Pocket D. I do that myself for raids.
I do mind people who then refuse to take into consideration the other people who might be there, because its too much 'hassle' for them to show the same consideration.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Nobody is saying nobody else is allowed in to PD. People are just asking the games to cut out all the power spamming which lags the hell out of the zone and causes problems for those NOT doing the trials.|
Originally Posted by Detective_Zero
In other words, you feel more entitled to be in Pocket D - especially more than someone not playing CoH the way *you* prefer to play it...regardless if they are a paying subscriber with no more or less right to be there than you. OK.
I guess expecting people to have an adult, live-and-let-live attitude in this game is just too much to hope for. |
I don't think that's an unreasonable request. I *do* think it's unreasonable to say no, get pissy, and accuse people of people rude when the ones doing the power spamming are the rude ones.
But I guess expecting people to be adult, respectful and mindful of other people is too much to ask for.
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But that isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about a drunk guy and several of his friends hanging out on the other side of the bar who you just don't like. They don't have to be *intentionally* bothering you. You just don't like the way they look, or maybe you don't like how loudly they laugh, or the language they speak or the color of their skin. |
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
You're in a bar having a pleasant evening with good friends, when a drunk walks in.
The drunk is loud and obnoxious. Said drunk stands right in front of you, between you and your friends, and starts yelling, using the flash on his cameraphone, pees in your beer, and generally making it impossible to ignore him. You move to another part of the bar but he follows you and does exactly the same. You leave the bar and try one down the steet. Another drunk turns up in THAT bar, and does the same thing Do you: A) Ask the drunk nicely to leave you alone and go away? B) Give up and go home, bringing your entire evening to an end? C) Punch him in the face? D) Speak to the bar staff and get the drunk thrown out? |
They aren't pissing in your beer or even talking trash about you. They're probably oblivious to you, to be honest, and don't even have a clue that their boisterous behavior is interrupting the deeply philosophical discussion you and your friends are trying to have...in a bar.
Griefing isn't griefing without intent. When people are on the other side of the room, having fun and minding their own business...that ain't griefing.
I spend a lot of time hanging out in bars, buddy. No bartender I know would kick out a bunch of paying customers unless their behavior was a LOT worse than anything that is actually going on the majority of the time with the new population in Pocket D.
Causing lag and potential DC's for those with rigs that can't handle that stuff is a hassle for them. If those with toggles and suchnot are then asked politely to turn them off, and refuse, that then isn't minding their own business, thats causing a problem for someone else by refusal.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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What's everyone doing in Pocket D that you're worrying about lag?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Given all that, then, why on earth does PD qualify?
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Using that logic, the Incarnate trials are Praetorian content, set in Praetoria, so why don't you start them in Praetoria? you have all the facilities there that you need.
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1. Is is co-op?
2. How convenient is it to get to?
3. Does it have inspiration vendors and somewhere to sell loot?
4. Are there any other problems with the zone?
Here's how the various co-op zones rank:
RWZ: Is Co-op, Easy to get to, Has both vendor types in close proximity.
Pocket D: Is Co-op, Very easy to get to, Has Inspiration Vendor but nowhere to sell.
Cimeroria: Is Co-op, rather inconvenient to get to (minimum of 2 zonings), Has both vendor types in close proximity.
Midnighter Club: Is Co-op, somewhat inconvenient to get to (entrances less convenient than RWZ), Has selling vendor but no Inspirations, appears to have a lower than normal population cap.
Preatoria: Is Co-op, rather inconvenient to get to (minimum of 2 zonings), Has both vendor types but they are dispersed.
So based on that analysis the RWZ is the best option. Pocket D comes in second (for most people the lack of a vendor is outweighed by ease of access). Cimeroria comes in third, it provides the same facilities as the RWZ but is harder to get to. Preatoria comes in fourth, its facilities are less convenient than either the RWZ or Cimeroria and it's harder to get to. The Midnighter Club comes in last due to zone cap issues.
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Why does THAT matter? All that matters is that they ARE suffering problems due to all the power spamming, and then getting ridiculed and told to shut up when they politely ask people to stop doing that.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
What's everyone doing in Pocket D that you're worrying about lag?
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@FloatingFatMan
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
I just have to ask, is there a specific reason people forming trails feel the need to spam heal auras and rain powers and throw short-duration buffs on anyone within range? Because that causes unnecessary lag for everyone, RPers and trial runners alike. You can't tell me that not doing it will inconvenience anyone.
And to the OP: It's spelled ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Pet peeve of mine.
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