You did NOT just say that? Did you?

I don't know about the US servers, but in the EU servers, no one is even using the league queue. It's a complete non-starter here. In fact, if you're in the queue, you can't even join a league that's forming until you drop from it! Laaaame.

Simple solution? Allow players to join and start the league when they're in other zones. That way there's no need to gather in one spot at all. Oh, and fix the league queue, too.

Imperial City Auction House. Quiet, no sellers to attract groups and it's under power suppression so you won't have to deal with those terrible, terrible auras.

I've been trying out the Team-up Queue out on Virtue at all times of day since the first day. It's a long wait and usually connects up a team sure to fail the trial if it ends up working at all. Most of the time, after my half-hour unsuccessful attempt with it, I go to a coop zone or look at one of my global channels, and get a nearly instant invite, instead. On Virtue, the vast majority of the Trials that run launch from the coop zones as pre-made, max-size leagues. I think this has the effect of starving the Team-up Queue of pieces it can stitch together for automatic leagues; and much of why people don't use the Team-up Queue is because it takes so long and makes terrible teams, it's self-perpetuating. The Team-up Queue probably merits it's own twenty-page discussion thread to go over it's failing, uses and misuses, and brainstorm useful suggestions to fix it.

If we make it so that pre-made leagues can start up with their players in multiple zones ... that will be one way of solving the problem, but then why bother maintaining the automatic capability? I'm sure the Devs hoped it would be a facility for even very casual players to get in on the action easily, but if the behavior of the rest of us negates that, it'll end up being yet another orphan functionality in the long run.

I'm pretty sure that's already the case.

Best post in the whole thread, IMO. In fact, this perfectly describes the root cause of half the interpersonal conflicts you'll ever have in RL, too. Well, maybe not the bit about jumping up on a table and dancing in front of a group of total strangers, but...then again...

Way to take what I said and interpret it into something over the top. Do explain to me how ridding yourself of your inconvenience/problems by handing them off to others (not to mention *expecting* them to be compliant without protest) is actually reasonable and logical? Both sides are making/denying requests for apparent selfish reasons (a point I've already conceded) so show me your logic behind determining which side is more right. Let's not even mention the ridiculous expectations behind asking *everyone*, potentially 20-50 people, in a single Pocket D instance to turn off their toggles. Let's say if only half of those people refuse to comply, and that's being very optimistic, this whole exercise becomes absolutely pointless and strictly academic. It's just begging for needless confrontations when there are other perfectly reasonable (and easier) alternative solutions available.

Secondly, who are you to determine what is considered to be a "minor" inconvenience to me and what isn't? I have 27 characters on 2 accounts, all of them have toggles of some sort. So me having to write "macros" for all of them based on the off chance that someone might ask me to turn them off one day is only a minor inconvenience? Do I have "Hi, I have TONS of free time to devote to pointless remedies for potential issues that will probably never pop up" stamped on my forehead? Did you even think out your the logic behind your argument before you hit the submit reply button? In anycase, I have already mentioned before that bringing that sort of commentary into this discussion would be getting perilously close to passing off opinions as facts. Yet here you are, doing that very thing. I'm sorry if I sound more combative in this post but this kind of obtuse non-sense is seriously getting on my nerves.

Apparently you missed the part when I said it takes 30 seconds combined (or perhaps a little bit more) to toggle 10 powers off *and* on with my /DA Brute. They do have have to come back on at some point you know. Heck, Death Shroud takes 3ish seconds to turn on by itself because of the long animation. And to do that for each and every trial I run with him which numbers in the 25-30 now?

I hate to repeat myself again but it seems my point is just not getting across. Once more, I have a total of 18 level 50's that I wish to take through the Trials. 5 of them are brutes, 3 are stalkers and 2 are VEATs and each of them have between 6-8 toggles. Even my 3 Doms have at least 4-5 toggles. By my estimation, at the current rate of iexp progression, I would have to run the trials a combined 450-500 times to get all of their 4 slots unlocked and slotted with Tier 3 rares. I could conceivably use convert *some* threads into iexp though I can't imagine doing that too often due to prohibitive inf concerns. Yeah, it's really reasonable to ask me to play toggle-a-power 450-500 times as if I have nothing better to do.

I've spent the past week in Pocket D exclusively and I rarely see people spamming their AoE powers or buffing others for no reason. The vast majority are just standing still, minding their own business, broadcasting "LF trial" or recruiting for leagues. Occasionally you do see a few people jumping around but that's about it. This was also on Freedom where during peak hours there are easily 30-40 people standing around at any given time, though I can't speak for other servers.

There's a limit to how much responsibility anyone bears for someone else's hardware deficiencies. If you ask nicely, I'm sure most people would be willing to shut off their more gaudy toggles for you, but the first, most reasonable and polite step for anyone with a low-end computer is to adjust their own settings first, before expecting everyone else to accommodate him.

So much of this thread seems to circle around a middle ground in which I think most people here would agree. I guess it's just more fun to create extremes to knock over, though.

But I'd be lying if I said it didn't make for a fun read.

Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze Nice build

You're playing an MMO chum, you don't have anything better to do.

Oh I see the error of my ways now. I didn't realize that entertainment is pointless. Glad I pay a monthly fee to do nothing. Thanks for clearing that up, much appreciated.

First I always love the fact that any time anyone comes here and voices an opinion about something there is always some JERK that immediately dismisses it as whining.



Yeah I read some of your posts which is why i decided to reply to YOU to begin with. You know if you didn't keep saying you play on Union I'd swear you WERE the guy that came into globals with that rediculous request/demand. And if he said it or not the intention was clear.. He didn't like anyone interferring with his role playing and wanted us all to stay out of "HIS" Pocket D. Since I pay my $15 per month just like everyone else.. its as much mine as his. So NO I don't have to stay away.





All that referred to is the mindless music the game actually plays in there. Everyone I know either has on some radion station or is playing their of tunes while they play.. no one listens to waht DJ Zero plays over and over and over.





No I am not and IF you are on Union don't presume to know what happens anywhere on Virtue. I have attended a number of parties and events in Pocket D ON VIRTUE and have seen coountless Masterminds with every single one of their minons out dancing. Heck I Don't even know what server he was on but a while back there was a guy on the forum that was disappointed with his new Demon Summoner MM. His reason? The Demons didn't do all the really cool dance emote like some of the other MM minons. DUH there's a great way to rate the overall effectiveness of your powers!




My ISSUE has never been about powers. Sure I have seen it plenty of times and not just in Pocket D.. 15 or 20 players in Wentworths in Talos with every single toggle running and it takes forever to make a transaction. And to answer YOUR question I know how to count. If I am on a BAF the team maximum is 24 so when we hit that magic number I rez my minons knowning within a few minutes we will be in the Q and then in the mission. My point/issue is rper have no more claim to Pocket D than anyone else that pays NC Soft to be here. The guy in globals was 100% wrong to even suggest that anyone should stay away simply because he didn't like it.



[QUOTE] Gamers have dozens of places they can gather for the forming of teams, even co-op places there are numerous options. Roleplayers have ONE co-op social area they can go to. ONE. We don't generally count Studio 55 as that's in Praetoria, and funny as it may seem, many of us actually consider going to enemy territory for a beer to be hugely OOC. /QUOTE]

Do you ever venure outside of Pocket D at all? Now maybe its a little less crowded on Union but anymore VIRTUE has a larger population than Freedom and believe me every one of those Coop sites you mention is being used. I swear I mentioned that in one of my posts and YOU accuse me of not reading well? There are on any given night 2, 3 or 4 RWZs, a couple Cimeroras, as I MENTIONED even a few Midnighter Clubs. The fact is POCKET D is one more Coop area we can go to and form teams. Don't like it? Like I said tough.. we cant force anyone to so anything here as long as it isnt a violation of the TOS and playing the GAME is not a TOS violation!


OH and your statement amuses me to no end.. So its okay for a hero to battle crime and fight evil all day and then hit Pocket D and spend the night drinking with a Soldier or Arachnos that just finished robbing the Pergrine Island Bank after destrying everything he or she could find in a 3-4 block area BUT heaven forbid we hit Studio 55.. the Praetorians hang out there????



See I don't like that.. Your making stuff up equates to YOU ARE A LIAR and 1) you don't know me so don't Assume you do and 2) I don't lie well not often and certainly not to make a point here. I occasionaly lie to proyecy peoples feelings etc... Again you, how by your admission are on Union are ASSUMING that things are exactly the same on Virtue WRONG! And if you read my posts you saw that I have and do attend things in Pocket D when I have friends there. Maybe not for hours at a time in the bar telling people about my exploits on Game Epsilom Five but I hang out with friends, listen to music and chat. I also hit every game event there is there (Winter and Spring) and guess what if the guy forming a League I want to join says.. "we are forming up in Pocket D" I am on my way because I want to play the game.

and lastly.. did you happen to look at my signature? notice the TAXIBOT in there. She was my first 50 and I was standing around in the Hollows offering players free teleport to missions or to the Atlas gate long before Raptor Pack. She is an EMP and I used to trail along behind poor 5 and 6 levels healing and buffing them so they could get through Dave Wincott's rediculous defeat 10 outcast and the 10 trolls missions. I have gone out of my way to stop and teleport players to the Tailors in Steel Canyon when I was passing through on my way to a mission. And anyone that knows me knows if anyone asks a question about this game in broadcast I will always take the time to answer.. and if I don't know it I tell them to hang on while I look it up for them on the WIKI. Don't try to compare turning off your toggles to spending 5 hours in the Hollows helping players stay alive and level faster. Like I said YOU DON'T KNOW ME.. so don't assume you do

The instant you resort to personal insults, is the instant you lose the discusson. Ta ta.