I have run 10 trials today, I never want to run them again. Am I alone?
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Posted on: 2011-04-10 16:36 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Not at all. Did both at least 5x each. Failed them all. I'm over them. Shiney's aren't shiney anymore.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Am I alone in this? .
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So don't go for the Tier 4. As many have pointed out, and as you should know from the Alpha slot, you're not really getting a huge increase from 3 to 4. 3 gets you the shift and the various options to maximize the variety of your chosen slotting.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
I have had to take a break from this for 2 reasons. One is I am tired of it and two I have to finish the science project from hell in my physics class. But even if I did not have anything else to do I dont think I would still run it. They should have released a different trial for each slot and make the very rares a little less rare. I dont see myself getting 30+ trials done just to have a chance at a tier 4. From what I hear its supposed to be easier than getting a tier 4 alpha but it really isnt it just takes less time since you can keep running it versus the 1 notice per week thing. I would have to say my biggest gripe is how it seems to take more xp to unlock the judgement side than it does the interface side. All slots should be the same xp to be fair. Or they could at least let you pick which one you want your xp to go towards. Some slots wont get much use so its kind of unfair to force it on you.
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As we have already had adequately demonstrated, the "shard runs" make such insignificant progress towards non-Alpha abilities as to consider them essentially worthless.| Mix things up people! Do trials when the opportunity presents itself, but not overboard. Do shard runs likewise. Neither burns you out then, and neither makes you feel abused. |
You're basically saying "don't run the trials so much", but if people don't get on the hamster wheel now they're going to be left behind in the future.
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Incarnate XP isn't split over the entire league, it's split over the team, like normal. So people on Team 1 won't get xp from an enemy killed only by people on Team 2. Since some leagues running the BAF just tell a single team to deal with all the adds, that team can get a looot more XP than everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Wow; just read someone pulling 51% iXP on a BAF...yikes; the most I've ever pulled from a BAF was like 15% (maybe 18 or 20% can't remember)
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I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't know that. I think I'll be changing how I do assignments on future BAFs.
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Originally Posted by Xaphan
Since some leagues running the BAF just tell a single team to deal with all the adds, that team can get a looot more XP than everyone else.
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Outside of the rare PvPer there's little reason to care if you get "left behind". And someone who avoids doing the trials to the point of burnout is more likely to actually get the "shinies" they want, and to actually care when they do get them. And the point of the game is to have fun, after all.
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Originally Posted by Venture
You're basically saying "don't run the trials so much", but if people don't get on the hamster wheel now they're going to be left behind in the future.
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Yeah - I found that out when I was lucky to be in an "ambush" team several times in a row and earned all kinds of iXP. Then when I was on an AV team with a different character, I struggled trying to unlock a slot. I've been on many runs where 1 of the 3 teams is dedicated to ambushes. And I've been on runs where only 2 or 3 people are on ambushes, and the rest on the AV's. I think a more ideal situation would be maybe the bottom 2 characters of each team, as an example, would be responsible for the ambushes. That way each team is represented, and I don't think a full team of 8 is needed for the spawns.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't know that. I think I'll be changing how I do assignments on future BAFs.
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Why, will there be new Incarnate-only zones that require the first 5 slots to access them?
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Originally Posted by Venture
if people don't get on the hamster wheel now they're going to be left behind in the future.
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Most of the leagues on Union have now worked out ways to get a mixture of toons from the 3 teams to cover the Adds, usually by sending PM's while smacking up prisoners. It helps even out the iXP and Thread drops enough to keep everyone happy.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't know that. I think I'll be changing how I do assignments on future BAFs.
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Other than that the other way is if BAF is being ran 3 times or more they just swap whioch team covers Adds.
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Originally Posted by Xaphan
Incarnate XP isn't split over the entire league, it's split over the team, like normal. So people on Team 1 won't get xp from an enemy killed only by people on Team 2. Since some leagues running the BAF just tell a single team to deal with all the adds, that team can get a looot more XP than everyone else.
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Hmmm, I knew that and don't remember a big difference between being on a team that didn't go for the adds specifically and being on a team that was going for the adds specifically....
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Whats the point of doing it if your not going to go all the way? There will be this ever nagging feeling to complete this. So you pretty much have to go to tier 4.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
So don't go for the Tier 4. As many have pointed out, and as you should know from the Alpha slot, you're not really getting a huge increase from 3 to 4. 3 gets you the shift and the various options to maximize the variety of your chosen slotting.
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If you think future content is not going to be Incarnate oriented you are deluding yourself.
| Why, will there be new Incarnate-only zones that require the first 5 slots to access them? |
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I've lost track of how many I have run since last week, but it has consumed most of my playing time so lets just say "a lot."
In that time, I have opened up and slotted a boost in all four new incarnate powers on two different characters (tank and defender). About half of the boosts are tier2s and 1 is a tier3.
I have lead some, and I have followed. I have failed and I have succeeded. I have been on Leagues with stalkers and others with only 4 buff/debuff characters (surprisingly we completed that Lambda). I even got the Master of BAF badge when someone asked on a lark if we could try going for the AVs at their spawn point instead of pulling them.
Frequently, after running two or three in a row, I would get burned out. So sometimes I logged off, or I went to sell, craft, and market. Or I went to the wall in Cimerora to try out my new powers. We also did a ship raid, which was awesome with all the new incarnate powers firing off left and right.
I have enjoyed it immensely, but I do tire of the repetition occasionally. I understand that some people don't like them. I'm sorry it's not for you. But it has really added to my game enjoyment. I was getting bored running the same old stuff and this gives me four new trials/TFs to do. After I get a little more "incarnatey" I'll go back to running a variety of content with these new events thrown in.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Its not that I can't get a team
Its not that I cannot finish a trial (that bug was finally fixed). I AM making progress... Its just that I am bored out of my mind repeating the same two bits of content repeatedly. I haven't even finished the first judgement slot on one character, and I am not having fun doing these trials anymore. Am I alone in this? I can't even bear to log into the game because I know all I will be demanded to do is incarnate content, which is just the two same tired boring trials. |
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Quiet you!!!! Do not give them anymore bad ideas. I am already hating this +4 crap and would hate to see the mobs being +10. I would probably not even pursue the other slots and give up on the whole system if they ever pulled something like this.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Why, will there be new Incarnate-only zones that require the first 5 slots to access them?
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It will be - it's just that the newest Incarnate content doesn't even need the Alpha slot to run it, so I don't think they'll set any new requirements too high |
Originally Posted by Venture
If you think future content is not going to be Incarnate oriented you are deluding yourself.
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There's an all-new Praetorian zone in the works. I doubt it'll be exclusive to Incarnates however I suspect it'll have crossover with other mainstream content to be sure.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It will be - it's just that the newest Incarnate content doesn't even need the Alpha slot to run it, so I don't think they'll set any new requirements too high
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^^This.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I doubt you're the only person however my advice is to cut back on running them sequentially. Persoanlly I'm trying to only run a few a day and rotating my characters to keep it interesting. If I ran 10 a day? Yeah, I'd probably burn out pretty fast as well but 1 or 2 a day keeps it interesting.
The thing to remember is that you have ages to get the new Incarnate stuff. I doubt we'll see new slots before Issue 21 and that is probably 4 months out so take your time and have fun. If you aren't having fun then do something else, play a low level character, run one of the new TFs or even play a different game (I bought a bunch of old games on GoG last week end and am playing through those). |
If you're running the content 10 times a day it's really your own fault if your burnt out on it (not that all people would be burnt out on it, some likely enjoy it).
I have yet to run it 10 times in the same day. Guess what? Not burnt out. There is other content, and there's really no reason to be all "must hurry to unlock all tier 4's now!" There's really no reason to be all "Must unlock all Tier 3's now" that said, yesterday, I have 3 tier 3's and 1 tier 2 (Judgement) unlocked, and that's with pretty casual gaming (I only have about 4 hours of game time, 6 days a week, due to working 6 days a week, so I'm saying that's about casual).
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But you can take your time!|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Whats the point of doing it if your not going to go all the way? There will be this ever nagging feeling to complete this. So you pretty much have to go to tier 4.
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It doesn't have to be rushed!
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This is an excellent and frequently overlooked fact. I know some people have the time and/or the wherewithal to get all the shineys in a couple of days and some people, for whatever reason, don't.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
But you can take your time!
It doesn't have to be rushed! |
For those that don't: how long does it take you on average to earn a new power once you get into the 40s? I am guessing that it takes them more than a week. If those same people just run the trials a couple of times over the course of days or weeks, use threads to craft the boost they want, and then use all other Astral Merits and threads to buy XP, then they will get a new incarnate power in about the same time as it takes to gain a power in the 40s.
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Originally Posted by PoliceWoman
At several points RWZ was so full that it was hard to get everyone in the same instance of RWZ to launch a trial. It definitely felt like the incarnate trials were very popular.
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On Champion and the open Beta Server, I've noticed folks forming Leagues in Pocket D rather than RWZ. Since Pocket D is pretty much a dead zone otherwise, this means you're not competing with a mother ship raid or something while trying to get your league together.
Yeah, my beefs with the new stuff:
1)Two trials are now the only viable method of getting the new loot.
2)They are raids, which I find a bit less fun than single group events.
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I had over 300 Shards before I20 was released. I converted them and got some rather powerful Incarnate abilities with them.|
Originally Posted by Venture
As we have already had adequately demonstrated, the "shard runs" make such insignificant progress towards non-Alpha abilities as to consider them essentially worthless.
You're basically saying "don't run the trials so much", but if people don't get on the hamster wheel now they're going to be left behind in the future. |
But I guess that doesn't count, since I got all of those Shards while playing with my friends, huh?
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But the point you guys are missing is that people ARE rushing it. And then once they get their slots, they stop. Which makes sense, but it means fewer people are running the content. In a month, these trials will be infrequent affairs. So the feeling is one of "join now or be left behind." Since the Incarnate stuff is going to be the major focus of future content, getting left behind will be a real problem.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
But you can take your time!
It doesn't have to be rushed! |
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I have had to take a break from this for 2 reasons. One is I am tired of it and two I have to finish the science project from hell in my physics class. But even if I did not have anything else to do I dont think I would still run it. They should have released a different trial for each slot and make the very rares a little less rare. I dont see myself getting 30+ trials done just to have a chance at a tier 4. From what I hear its supposed to be easier than getting a tier 4 alpha but it really isnt it just takes less time since you can keep running it versus the 1 notice per week thing. I would have to say my biggest gripe is how it seems to take more xp to unlock the judgement side than it does the interface side. All slots should be the same xp to be fair. Or they could at least let you pick which one you want your xp to go towards. Some slots wont get much use so its kind of unfair to force it on you.
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