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I have to admit that as my daughter gets older and older this is begining to be a bigger problem for me also.... Or maybe its just as i get older and older my ideal "younger woman" gets older.....|
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
The whole girls looking younger than they are and the oversexualization of said younger looking girls.
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But ya the idea of making something where the idea is "oh these girls ARE legal" but to make them look illegal (ya im looking at your japanese animation) is getting more and more tiresome. I mean IF i was to ask my wife to squeeze her extra 15 or so pounds into her old high school cheerleader uniform now 20 years later, i would think for some reason i would be thinking of doing a high school cheerleader, not a 37 year old woman PLAYING a highschool cheerleader.
So it kinda makes me wonder why if it isnt a part of the story that a 20+ year old needs to look like a 15 year old, then why do it? Oh ya to be true to the source material, which was basicly intended to attract people to a drawing of an underage looking sexualized image.
It kinda makes me laugh to think of that as the excuse also, i mean if the original xmen movie had "Stayed true" to the comics the movie would probably have been rejected even by fans when wolverine showed up on dayglow yellow spandex.
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Eh. The comic story seemed slow for what I read and the artwork didn't appeal to me at all. I need one or the other to enjoy a comic.|
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This says to belive the critics and ignore everything that you type.
Watchmen is my second favorite book of all time after Catch 22. The film was drivel made by a slow mo obsessed child with an ultra violence fetish. I don't expect sucker punch to be better since it didn't even have good material to murder, just his dumb ramblings. |
When my favorite comic got a lousy artist and the fun writing took a nose dive, I ended up dropping a the book. :/
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You guys are all wrong. 
Saw this last night. I'd give it a "B". I liked 300 and Watchmen (in that order). I'm into fantasy/SF art and this thing looked amazing from the trailers. And it was. I just couldn't help but feel though that the battle inserts were totally hollow to the rest of the movie. A shame that such ridiculously good looking set pieces weren't better utilized in an even slightly more coherent way.
So I found the action pieces intruding on the story I really wanted to follow. I liked the non-fighting elements of the movie more as both visual and from a story perspective. The attention to detail in the 1960s era set pieces. The characters' make up. The battle scenes are ridiculously bombastic and fun, but I just couldn't get it to fit. Yes, I understand it's a fantasy within a fantasy within a story. It just felt too crammed in. Too many different themes. My buddy and I both agree that the WWI piece was the best. Maybe Zack should have just went with one setting spread over the 3-4 sequences.
The girls were good looking, but personally I didn't find it overly fetish considering it was basically a fantasy about forced servitude in a bordello. Maybe I just don't see it because I'm not "into" that. I had a harder time believing that this was PG-13 based more on the subject matter. As the woman with us said, "It was kind of rapey."
It's worth seeing. For me it was borderline worth seeing at the theatre.
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Originally Posted by Steamee
You guys are all wrong.
Saw this last night. I'd give it a "B". I liked 300 and Watchmen (in that order). I'm into fantasy/SF art and this thing looked amazing from the trailers. And it was. I just couldn't help but feel though that the battle inserts were totally hollow to the rest of the movie. A shame that such ridiculously good looking set pieces weren't better utilized in an even slightly more coherent way. So I found the action pieces intruding on the story I really wanted to follow. I liked the non-fighting elements of the movie more as both visual and from a story perspective. The attention to detail in the 1960s era set pieces. The characters' make up. The battle scenes are ridiculously bombastic and fun, but I just couldn't get it to fit. Yes, I understand it's a fantasy within a fantasy within a story. It just felt too crammed in. Too many different themes. My buddy and I both agree that the WWI piece was the best. Maybe Zack should have just went with one setting spread over the 3-4 sequences. The girls were good looking, but personally I didn't find it overly fetish considering it was basically a fantasy about forced servitude in a bordello. Maybe I just don't see it because I'm not "into" that. I had a harder time believing that this was PG-13 based more on the subject matter. As the woman with us said, "It was kind of rapey." It's worth seeing. For me it was borderline worth seeing at the theatre. |
I didn't get the lolita vibe, but I guess it was more of something I just missed myself. But I can see why people would think that, but really, I'd say that's only the case for Baby Doll (main character) not the other four girls.
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I mean, I'm not even that old or have a kid or anything and I still feel it is a little creepy for "uncertain" aged women to be in something explicitly sexual.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
I have to admit that as my daughter gets older and older this is begining to be a bigger problem for me also.... Or maybe its just as i get older and older my ideal "younger woman" gets older.....
But ya the idea of making something where the idea is "oh these girls ARE legal" but to make them look illegal (ya im looking at your japanese animation) is getting more and more tiresome. I mean IF i was to ask my wife to squeeze her extra 15 or so pounds into her old high school cheerleader uniform now 20 years later, i would think for some reason i would be thinking of doing a high school cheerleader, not a 37 year old woman PLAYING a highschool cheerleader. So it kinda makes me wonder why if it isnt a part of the story that a 20+ year old needs to look like a 15 year old, then why do it? Oh ya to be true to the source material, which was basicly intended to attract people to a drawing of an underage looking sexualized image. It kinda makes me laugh to think of that as the excuse also, i mean if the original xmen movie had "Stayed true" to the comics the movie would probably have been rejected even by fans when wolverine showed up on dayglow yellow spandex. |
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Emily Browning (Babydoll) is 23. That's a good ways from "uncertain" aged. And it's not that sexualized as there is no nudity in the movie.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
I mean, I'm not even that old or have a kid or anything and I still feel it is a little creepy for "uncertain" aged women to be in something explicitly sexual.
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Just watched it today and I liked it. Sure there are better movies, but the different styles of action were cool. It is hard to pick a favorite action scene for that movie. The samurai one, WWI one, or the others are both interesting in their own way. I find the movie to be about a broken woman that has been damaged by the people that were supposed to protect her with her perceptions altered to believe that she is in a speakeasy. The action sequences are merely her desire to be able to protect herself from reality. The only thing lacking in this movie is a scene showing the main character gets revenge on her stepdad.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Emily Browning (Babydoll) is 23. That's a good ways from "uncertain" aged. And it's not that sexualized as there is no nudity in the movie.
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She could be 43, but the look is teen schoolgirl and you don't need nudity to be sexualized (isn't one of the crazy worlds a brothel?).
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Emily Browning (Babydoll) is 23. That's a good ways from "uncertain" aged. And it's not that sexualized as there is no nudity in the movie.
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*shrug* I didn't see a teen schoolgirl. I saw a woman wearing skimpy clothing that would not be out of place in any strip club in this country nor any adult magazine. The initial world she goes to is a dance club that masks a brothel among other aspects of the owner's business (iirc, she also said guns, drugs, etc).|
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
She could be 43, but the look is teen schoolgirl and you don't need nudity to be sexualized (isn't one of the crazy worlds a brothel?).
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The character was obviously well off, given her stepfather's reaction to the mother's will and the home. It is highly likely that the character also went to a private school. That costume may be her actual school uniform (altered of course). The other girls outfits are much more sexualized.
I also don't see a lot of fuss being made over Blondie's costuming, given that that is Vanessa Hudgens (the girl from High School Musical series) and is essentially the same age as Ms. Browning.
Edit - I'm also finding it interesting that the discussion of Babydoll's costuming and implicit sexualization (nevermind that she doesn't really act sexualized in the fight scenes) takes precedence over the hyper violence that she and the rest of the girls engage in. That she's wearing an altered fuku is more important than perforating many many German zombies, destroying a bridge full of knights or the violence that the stepfather was either engaging in or about to engage in. I guess that's the weird American view that sex = TEH BAD!, but violence = acceptable. *shrug*
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Even when I was in high school and college, I rarely found women younger than about 25 attractive. Now I can barely find anything interesting about women under 30 or 35. Flawless skin isn't nearly as interesting as someone who has some stories to tell and a few miles on the odometer. When I found out that the brains of humans generally don't fully mature until we're in our early to mid-20s, it suddenly made sense: I'm not attracted to kids, and most people in their low to mid 20s still act like juveniles. So dressing and/or acting younger than that age just strikes me as retarded rather than anything remotely interesting.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Emily Browning (Babydoll) is 23. That's a good ways from "uncertain" aged. And it's not that sexualized as there is no nudity in the movie.
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However, I did notice that the outfit the main girl wears can be easily replicated with the CoH costume creator.
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If that's a shot at the prequels, then frankly you can't really give them credit as each film, like any other film, must be judged separately and they didn't exist way back when, well, Star Wars came out.|
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In hindsight, it turns out the critics were right about Star Wars...
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So no. They were not right.
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Not quite. It is impossible to get that outfit since there are no gun/sword powersets, but can get pretty close to it. For the fashionably conscious warrior, the weapons are a part of the outfit. If their weapon clashes with their clothing, then they have to find a new weapon or outfit.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
However, I did notice that the outfit the main girl wears can be easily replicated with the CoH costume creator.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
Not quite. It is impossible to get that outfit since there are no gun/sword powersets, but can get pretty close to it. For the fashionably conscious warrior, the weapons are a part of the outfit. If their weapon clashes with their clothing, then they have to find a new weapon or outfit.
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However the basic clothing is trivially easy to duplicate.
The sword/gun combo? Take a BS/Katana scrapper/brute and use the Official belt.
Voila.
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I think part of that is the fact that we keep extending "childhood" (if not in biological level, then certainly in psychological and/or emotional levels) to the mid 20's and beyond. We take the impetus off of people to mature. Look at our grandparents for example. Would still goofing off in the mid-20's have been at all acceptable when they were that age? Of course not. One was expected to grow up and be an adult.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
Even when I was in high school and college, I rarely found women younger than about 25 attractive. Now I can barely find anything interesting about women under 30 or 35. Flawless skin isn't nearly as interesting as someone who has some stories to tell and a few miles on the odometer. When I found out that the brains of humans generally don't fully mature until we're in our early to mid-20s, it suddenly made sense: I'm not attracted to kids, and most people in their low to mid 20s still act like juveniles. So dressing and/or acting younger than that age just strikes me as retarded rather than anything remotely interesting.
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I'm going to be 33 this summer and I know right well that even though I'm that old, I'm not even close to being an actual adult. I don't think I'll ever be an adult in the same sense that my parents and grandparents were/are.
Combine the sheltering nature of our society with the schizophrenic nature of laws (can drive at 14 in some States, can die for the country at 18 but heaven forfend if you want a beer before you go off to some godforsaken rock in the middle of nowhere, etc).
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Hey, we come into this world bald, screaming, and pooping ourselves. We leave pretty much the same way. All the rest is "filler".
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Originally Posted by Dark One
I think part of that is the fact that we keep extending "childhood" (if not in biological level, then certainly in psychological and/or emotional levels) to the mid 20's and beyond. We take the impetus off of people to mature. Look at our grandparents for example. Would still goofing off in the mid-20's have been at all acceptable when they were that age? Of course not. One was expected to grow up and be an adult.
I'm going to be 33 this summer and I know right well that even though I'm that old, I'm not even close to being an actual adult. I don't think I'll ever be an adult in the same sense that my parents and grandparents were/are. Combine the sheltering nature of our society with the schizophrenic nature of laws (can drive at 14 in some States, can die for the country at 18 but heaven forfend if you want a beer before you go off to some godforsaken rock in the middle of nowhere, etc). |
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His work was very falmiler to me from 2000ad, which was pretty much my entire diet of comics growing up since it was what my older brother read. That and the odd JLI - JLA/JLE
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Eh. The comic story seemed slow for what I read and the artwork didn't appeal to me at all. I need one or the other to enjoy a comic.
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Well, close in the sense that we can make a fuku outfit. Baby Doll's is so much better looking though |
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However, I did notice that the outfit the main girl wears can be easily replicated with the CoH costume creator.
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I saw the movie last night and I came out with mixed feelings. I'm glad I payed extra to see it in IMAX as the fantasy dance visuals were just breathtaking, and the fight scenes nothing short of awesome. However, I did wish Babydoll's real and imaginary world tied in better to the "dance" scenes, we only got a short glimpse of that in the kitchen.
The imagined club tied better to the real world that Babydoll found herself in, she saw how the girls were used by the staff of the asylum, and seeing it as a bordello where the customers were the staff was appropriate and accurate. I liked that when you see first see the girls in the real world stage, they weren't made up or as attractive as they were in Babydoll's imagination, but when her fantasies ramp up, you see the girls of the three worlds merge more and more.
All in all I liked what I saw, but when me an my friends were leaving theater, though we praised highly the visuals,we also talked alot about was how the movie could have been cut better.
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A lot of people who are attacking the movie are going after Sucker Punch's weak attempt to make the movie more than a bunch of strung together Rule of Cool action sequences. The movie is built on visuals. The plot is... tertiary at best. I think the fantasy vs reality aspect was well done, and the movie would have been a lot better if they would have just stuck with the whole mind screw aspect of what actually happened. I think one of the movie's bigger problems, critically speaking, is that the whole "deeper meaning" of fighting your battles comes across as tacked on as an afterthought. |
Originally Posted by BrandX
I have to agree. To those seeing all the negative reviews. Don't listen to them. Those reviewers are basically fixating on the action scenes. And not paying attention to the rest of the movie.
Yes. The movie has stylized fights with girls in tight and/or revealing outfits. This is the anime/comic influence for sure. But I have to say it again. Don't listen to the reviewers. They're not watching the movie to understand it. They're watching the movie to just bad mouth it. No Really. They are. The plot is simple admittedly. But it doesn't need a complicated plot. There are no major complications, because there doesn't need to be. |
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Originally Posted by BrandX
The story is simple, fun, and leads to the FUN FACTOR. It's seeing this depressing hell, then being taken away to a fantastical world, then going back to the depressing hell, then being taken back to the ESCAPISM!
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Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
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We can't have them both out at the same time, but you certainly have both a katana and a pistol on the same character. However, I don't consider the weapons to be as much a part of the outfit as the rest of it. Of course it isn't going to be exact, but insisting on a one-for-one replication is silly.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
Not quite. It is impossible to get that outfit since there are no gun/sword powersets, but can get pretty close to it. For the fashionably conscious warrior, the weapons are a part of the outfit. If their weapon clashes with their clothing, then they have to find a new weapon or outfit.
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That's interesting. I've not heard someone say that before, linking stature with age. Speaking as someone who looked younger than his chronological age for quite some time, you should enjoy that part of it as long as possible. We live in an ageist society and always have. (I mean, Oscar Wilde once said that the youth of America is our oldest tradition -- 129 years ago.)
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Originally Posted by Agonus
I'll be 33 next year. But I'm also 5'6, so I still -feel- like I'm younger when standing next to people in their 20's who are 5'8 and over. And it's also come to my attention that people I've met recently think I'm in my mid to upper 20's anyway. So yeah, I'm right there with you.
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The brain thing is biological, though. I think my grandparents and great-grandparents could party as well as any kid of today. They got into all the same trouble 20-somethings do today. I have photos of my great-aunts riding motorcycles circa 1905, big hats and skirts and all.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
I think part of that is the fact that we keep extending "childhood" (if not in biological level, then certainly in psychological and/or emotional levels) to the mid 20's and beyond. We take the impetus off of people to mature. Look at our grandparents for example. Would still goofing off in the mid-20's have been at all acceptable when they were that age? Of course not. One was expected to grow up and be an adult.
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| Combine the sheltering nature of our society with the schizophrenic nature of laws (can drive at 14 in some States, can die for the country at 18 but heaven forfend if you want a beer before you go off to some godforsaken rock in the middle of nowhere, etc). |
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I'm interested in this movie, but I think I'll wait for it to be available in a more conveniently home-based medium.
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I've been a cranky old man since I was about 20. And before that I was middle aged with bouts of immaturity.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
I was like, "Holy crap, I'm a cranky old man. And I'm 35!"
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Or is it that the main character is in pig tails and a fuku?