Sucker Punch

We already had this debate, sir. I'm fairly certain you think you won and I think I won, and I'd rather not do the same back and forth over the same movie for an even longer time, but if you post things like this you'll leave me no choice.

I mean if we're gonna do this let's at least pick a different movie.

Also, about Sucker Punch, I basically agree with MentalMaiden's take.

Right, yes. I own the Hidden Fortress and I still got it wrong, my bad. Anyone that likes Star Wars should watch it sometime. Hell, anyone that likes great films should watch it.

Which one? There were three of them and each of them looked like three of the four winds in Big Trouble in Little China, and no where in Brazil did it have a Giant Stone Samurai weilding a mini gun.

A film about characters does need it though. You know, so that the story can progress.

If it doesn't it's a story about immutable idiots that go through life in a daze never leaning anything. Or boring as i like to call them.

I mentioned some of those in my busts.

Superman Returns MADE lots of money! Was a hit that got treated as a failure. And they're still making Superman movies.

Wolverine. Success getting a sequal.

Green Hornet being a bust? I don't know if I'd agree to that either. It made 180 million profit. Is that a bust?

Spidey 3, same story, profit.

I think you're confusing your dislike of certain movies with busts.

That was the rule of awesomeness in effect. I had mentioned that in my first post labeled as spolier.

It doesn't matter that a 1950's person wouldn't imagine these things, it's for the awesomeness of it all!

You realize this is 5 days in the life of the main character?

She went from a girl abused by her stepfather, to being put into a mental institute basically run by a disturbed orderly, knowing full well in 5 days the both of them had plans to have her lobotomized.

However, she was so distraught over her mom and sisters death, being locked in the mental institute, and all the bad things that happened to her in the mental asylum, she never really came out to the psychiatrist that was trying to help her and instantly went into "get me and these girls out of here" and in the end welcomed it.

So could say she went from fighting it all, to accepting it.

The technology in the movie was definitely a mash-up, but what bothered me more than the hyper-modern weapons in a WWI setting (I mean, the Mech obviously had a computerized HUD even though it was supposed to be more diesel/rocketpunk) was the COPIER in the orderly/pimp's office.

Bah, I just goggled Xerox and it looks like they put a Xerox_914 in that office. Since it came out in 1959, I guess it's not that far off.

Still, the copier bothered me more than the ultra-tech guns and mech controls. I was expecting Sweet Pea to be covered with purple ink from a mimeograph machine.

Yeah and I acutally liked the Prequels 1 and 3 more than 2 but teh prequels were good decent watching

I've read enough analysis by haters to know the plot holes, but the narrative arc of the movie carries it for me. Whether D9 is "smart" or not is irrelevant. I buy Wilkes' transformation (regardless of the actual mechanism), and that's what's important.

Oh my, what is the world coming to now? Foamy and I agree on a movie.

That is basically the tldr version of why I really liked D9. I'm going to rewatch and post a detailed explanation of why it works for me at some point.

Mentals just get it.

/mentalfistbump

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Back atcha.

I really don't understand why you want to try to pretend Snyder didn't base Sucker Punch on Brazil when Snyder has DIRECTLY said that he did. Obviously if you dig hard enough you can find similarities between what Snyder showed us and other sources and obviously Snyder took the basic idea and expanded on it (i.e. another Samuari with a mini-gun). But none of that can "wipe away" the core fundamental truth that Sucker Punch was PRIMARILY based on Brazil. Please accept that as a fact in this case.

Now having said that there's nothing actually wrong with a filmmaker like Synder doing that. Flimmakers basically "borrow" ideas from previous movies all the time. The only thing Snyder did wrong in this case is that he took a previous movie and made a WORSE version of it, not a better one.

All he said that he was inspired by Brazil, sure he could put an hommage in the movie, but that doesn't make the movie Brazil. Other than a basic theme of fantasy escapism the movie isn't like Brazil. You are putting a lot on one statement. If anything the movie is more like Pan's Labyrinth. Number of tasks and items and the final being the hero sacrificing herself for a greater purpose. There have been as many critics or even more making that connection than Brazil.

Okay let's put it this way Chris Nolan himself said he was inspired by The Matrix and Lord of the Rings for Inception. Does that make the movie based on The Matrix and Lord of the Rings? Oh wait the movie did have agents they had to fight and fortress in the snow....right?

Hey we agree on District 9 and who should play Wonder Woman, so there is precedence.

That's a very interesting interview with Nolan on the eve of Inception's massive, but far from sure-fire, success. Let's quote him at proper length, though, since he's an inarguably intelligent and articulate director:
Star Wars, LotR, and the Matrix all have deeper themes than just sci-fi/fantasy epics, but Nolan is very specific about what lessons he takes from their successes, i.e. taking inspiration from their theatrical achievements, not their creative content. When it comes to thematic influences, however, Nolan cites another movie in the same interview:
"Last Year at Marienbad with 'splosions" might be a crude pitch line for Inception, but at least Nolan acknowledges the indirect influence when he's working with similar themes.

Please note he's playing the same media game that Snyder did in talking up his movie with the press just before its release, right down to bringing up successful movies he'd like his to be associated with. The difference is that Nolan delivers where Snyder comes up short. When Snyder claims, In Sucker Punch: The Art Of The Film, that "what begins as a fearful retreat becomes an empowering coping mechanism", it might almost sound like a gloss of Brazil, but in Gilliam's approach to the theme of escapism in fantasy, he examines it from multiple perspectives and critiques it even as he embraces it visually. Snyder, who is all about the visual, doesn't get near such depth in his movie, even though he tells the press he was "inspired" by it. Ironically, by presenting a simpler treatment of the theme, Snyder's movie isn't winning over audiences any better than Brazil did initially*, and critically, it's fairing far worse.

* Gilliam claims that the studio's botched national release of Brazil damaged its box office badly.

I'm now inspired to get a Brazilian.

One last time it's obvious that Snyder was "inspired" by Brazil when making Sucker Punch.

Does that mean Sucker Punch has to be a shot-for-shot copy of Brazil? Of course not.
Does that mean Sucker Punch can't have elements inspired by other sources? Of course not.
Does that mean Snyder wasn't allowed to put his own spin on Sucker Punch? Of course not.

But frankly your strange attempt to down-play or "disconnect" the obvious relationship between Sucker Punch and Brazil is borderline laughable at this point, especially when you consider you're attempting to disassociate Sucker Punch away from the BETTER movie of the two.

But's its you that's playing it out to be, not me.

I have problems with Sucker Punch too, and I've stated such. The better of the three movies to me is actually Pan's Labyrinth, as it interconnects the dream sequences better to the reality segments and at the end leaves you wondering which reality is real. What's funny is, Guillermo del Torro actually states that Brazil remains one of the most important films of his life, obviously that must mean he totally ripped it when making Pan's Labyrinth.

You must have a different Internet than I do.

Gotta call a spade a spade here: that's just a stupid comment.

Del Toro claiming Brazil is one of his favorite movies is NOT the same thing as Snyder saying he based Sucker Punch on Brazil. Stop making straw men to try and diminish the actual, real fact that Snyder based his movie on another movie and completely missed the point. You like Sucker Punch, fine. Stop trying to pretend that Snyder didn't say and do what he said and did.

What's hilarious to me, is I think me, Lothic, TrueGentleman and Ironik have been going around for nine pages basically saying the same thing.

I was being sarcastic, and Snyder didn't say he based Sucker Punch on Brazil. He just said he was "inspired" by Brazil when making it.