It's perfectly fine to love a bad movie, just don't try to convince people it isn't one.
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See I like geeky movies, I liked the Dawn of the Dead remake, 300 was fun (If silly) and Watchmen was ... okay. But this was just embarassing to watch. I honestly felt guilty even being in the cinema with it.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Here's the one thing that I won't say about Sucker Punch: It doesn't matter. For anyone who loves geek-centric movies, as we all do here, the compelling issue is how its failure will reverberate through the studios when other such movie projects are considered for production. At the moment, the message is that "fanboy" material is an acceptable bet only if namebrand A-list superheroes are involved - and we'll see if the summer of Thor, Captain America, X-Men, and Green Lantern is their next wave or merely their ebb. But a wholly original fantropic project backed only by a director's vision and reputation isn't likely to survive the first pitch meeting, which suggests we're in for dry spell. |
300 at least had a bit of drive behind it, a coherent story and some fantastically good (But silly) one liners. Sucker Punch didn't have any of that. They added needless complexity to a fairly simple story (Escapist Fantasy and a battle for her Sanity) and .. well the characters were just flat and fetishised to such a level that I just felt insulted. There were a few bits of action that were good and you won't ever hear me complain about steampunk zombie nazis, but .... go watch Rango!
It's geeky too! And a lot more fun!
Hmmm...critics are loving Source Code, but it's not doing all that great.
So obviously whether critics love it or hate, it would seem movies I enjoy are doomed to failure! NOoooooo!
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For the love of all that's filmy, stay out of the theatres!
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Hmmm...critics are loving Source Code, but it's not doing all that great.
So obviously whether critics love it or hate, it would seem movies I enjoy are doomed to failure! NOoooooo! |
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I loved the German steampunk zombies,but that was about it.
The first tier of fantasy was just painful to endure,and not because it sucked you into a richly textured world of suffering and despair.But because it failed to do that and instead left you enduring shallow acting and scripting that seamed mainly to exist scrawny young women into lingerie.
And because reality was abandoned so quickly,and the first tier of fantasy was so weak,the second tiers of fantasies felt like a shallow excuse for a boy to play with his toys.
The initial empathy I felt for the main character and the circumstances regarding her arrival into a state of impending doom were swiftly washed away into painful tedium,broken up by shallow spectacle.
SPOILERS!!! READ AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!!
The big story payoff? Catatonia girl helps someone that may or may not in any way map to her delusion escape. She may say "this is your story",but that is bull crap. Escapee is rather weakly developed in fantasy,and not developed at all in reality.
But the final layer of crap on the sandwich? God was working in mysterious ways through a cliche spouting sensei-general/real life bus driving angel. His divine plan seems to involve child molesting fathers, misfired bullets killing children. and young women getting lobotomies (but it was a mercy lobotomy, they spell out that she wanted it). All so that he could spring a gal from a mental institution that for all we know could be in dire need of psychiatric assistance.
But I really did love the German steampunk zombie solders, that was pure win.
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I would have to say that watching the movie felt like watching the trailer,but with a lot more filler killing it.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
But how did what you saw in the trailers compare to what you saw on the screen? Did the trailers build up too much expectation and you left the theater feeling disappointed?
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The trailer showed action and a hint of plot,perhaps even depth.The movie had a trailer's worth of plot and depth in it.
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What?! :O
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Originally Posted by Ironik
For the love of all that's filmy, stay out of the theatres!
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It was the step father (there's a difference there), but that aside, god working in mysterious ways.|
Originally Posted by Nemo_Utopian
SPOILERS!!! READ AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!!
The big story payoff? Catatonia girl helps someone that may or may not in any way map to her delusion escape. She may say "this is your story",but that is bull crap. Escapee is rather weakly developed in fantasy,and not developed at all in reality. But the final layer of crap on the sandwich? God was working in mysterious ways through a cliche spouting sensei-general/real life bus driving angel. His divine plan seems to involve child molesting fathers, misfired bullets killing children. and young women getting lobotomies (but it was a mercy lobotomy, they spell out that she wanted it). All so that he could spring a gal from a mental institution that for all we know could be in dire need of psychiatric assistance. But I really did love the German steampunk zombie solders, that was pure win. |
Isn't that basically what all spout off in the event of any and all tragedy's?
As for the girl who may be in need of real psychiatric assistance, if you had watched the movie, you'd realize that was answered in the first imaginary world.
So no, she wasn't in need of psychiatric care really.
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I did watch the movie, and no it is not answered.
We see the fantasy answer, but how well that maps to reality we have little indication.
In the fantasy she ran away to look after her sister. In reality? Does she have a sister in the institution? Does some lethal tragedy befall her sister there?
What about the other women,Do they map to women in the institution? If so what happened to them when the were taken out of play? How much of her internal fantasy managed to catch their true essence? beats the hell out of me. Nobody could be bothered to flesh out the foundational layer of the story between admittance and lobotomy.
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I myself got the impression that all that happened in the imaginary world, mapped out to the real world. It was just the visual world that was changed.
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Originally Posted by Nemo_Utopian
I did watch the movie, and no it is not answered.
We see the fantasy answer, but how well that maps to reality we have little indication. In the fantasy she ran away to look after her sister. In reality? Does she have a sister in the institution? Does some lethal tragedy befall her sister there? What about the other women,Do they map to women in the institution? If so what happened to them when the were taken out of play? How much of her internal fantasy managed to catch their true essence? beats the hell out of me. Nobody could be bothered to flesh out the foundational layer of the story between admittance and lobotomy. |
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It is certainly what many say.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
god working in mysterious ways.
Isn't that basically what all spout off in the event of any and all tragedy's? |
But that seems little justification to turn a painfully bad theodicy into a secret central premise so ineptly.
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I see little reason to think that. The doctor's power relationship to head scumball did not seem to map in the same way in reality that it did in fantasy. Real world interaction gave no indication that she was a powerless victim who's usefulness had bought some measure of comfort and the illusion of authority.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I myself got the impression that all that happened in the imaginary world, mapped out to the real world. It was just the visual world that was changed.
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You said movies you enjoy are doomed to failure. Ergo, if you don't see them until they are out of the theatre, then they will succeed. It's basic math, really.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
What?! :O
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I will counter that statement with this: It's *not* a bad movie - and there is no need to try and convince those who liked it that it was bad. I watched it. I "got" the story. I was entertained. No one needs to tell me that I shouldn't have been entertained because "it was a bad movie".|
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
It's perfectly fine to love a bad movie, just don't try to convince people it isn't one.
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There is that old saying that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and I think everyone needs to keep that in mind. I see a lot of posts calling it a horrible movie, and I just simply disagree. My opinion doesn't invalidate other people's opinions, and I'm not going to try to argue, because in the end it is completely pointless.
my 2 inf, keep the change.
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Heh...well, it doesn't happen to all of them. |
Originally Posted by Ironik
You said movies you enjoy are doomed to failure. Ergo, if you don't see them until they are out of the theatre, then they will succeed. It's basic math, really.
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Iron Man succeeded.
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All I know is I will be buying it on Blue Ray! \o/
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Originally Posted by JetFlash
I will counter that statement with this: It's *not* a bad movie - and there is no need to try and convince those who liked it that it was bad. I watched it. I "got" the story. I was entertained. No one needs to tell me that I shouldn't have been entertained because "it was a bad movie".
There is that old saying that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and I think everyone needs to keep that in mind. I see a lot of posts calling it a horrible movie, and I just simply disagree. My opinion doesn't invalidate other people's opinions, and I'm not going to try to argue, because in the end it is completely pointless. my 2 inf, keep the change. |
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I might buy a Blu Ray player so i can buy it on Blu Ray! Actually i do need a Blu Ray player(im behind on the times) but hey I'm buying it also!
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Originally Posted by BrandX
All I know is I will be buying it on Blue Ray! \o/
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In one respect, Sucker Punch counts as an undeniable success. Snyder wanted to take a whole mess of his favorite geek tropes - robotzombienazisamuraibrazilstrippersshockcorridor steampunkdragoncgi - and put it on the silver screen. He got $82 million of other people's money to do that. Well played, I suppose.