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Originally Posted by BrandX
Jet Li's Hero! There's another one.
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Gladiator.
Saving Private Ryan.
300.
Donnie Darko.
V for Vendetta.
Sunshine.
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But how do you know it won't work for this movie if you haven't seen it? While I think overall as a film Sucker Punch misses the mark, I will give it points for the ending and how it was hinted at throughout the narrative. I'd call this movie a lot of things, but depressing isn't one of them. Average, middle of the road, lost potential, so so, meh, but not depressing.
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Originally Posted by Knight_Errant
I'm not completely averse to the tragic endings. I went out of my way to see Last Samurai knowing full well how the final battle would turn out. Historical and cultural inconsistency nit-picking aside, a great movie with a tragic ending.
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I've never understood why people don't like or won't accept sad endings. I love a good sad ending (when done right). Besides, technically there is a happy ending to this movie.
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I love a good sad ending (and I agree that SuckerPunch has a happy ending). I also love main characters that make it very hard for you to sympathize with (another reason I loved D9).
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You know, I really didn't find Donnie Darko's ending sad.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Also Braveheart.
Gladiator. Saving Private Ryan. 300. Donnie Darko. V for Vendetta. Sunshine. |
And V's ending I think I was just in much awe of what V did, to be sad.
Gladiator bore me to much to actually finish >_>
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I don't know how anyone could watch a movie where the main character dies to "Mad World" and not find it sad. o.O
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Originally Posted by BrandX
You know, I really didn't find Donnie Darko's ending sad.
And V's ending I think I was just in much awe of what V did, to be sad. Gladiator bore me to much to actually finish >_> |
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"Mad World" is the new "Dear Sister". (I saw Donnie Darko on DVD well after its release and thought that the soundtrack for the finale must have been another ironic nod to the 80s.)
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I don't know how anyone could watch a movie where the main character dies to "Mad World" and not find it sad. o.O
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I don't know how anyone could watch a movie where the main character dies to "Mad World" and not find it sad. o.O
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Actually, it makes these two very happy.
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I think you meant "sucker punch." |
Originally Posted by Innovator
Awww....noooo...you'll gut punch me, again.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Actually, it makes these two very happy. |
>.>
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They just want to rule the world. Plus they need moolah for belts.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Actually, it makes these two very happy. |
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They wrote the song. |
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I don't know who that is.
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I like this one better, though.
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The best video version of that song!
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Every guy my age who saw that in the theatre had the exact same reaction: bouncy!
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I was really just referencing its connection to Real Genius...but whatever works for you.
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I do not like watching movies with sad endings.
Objectively, I can appreciate the neccessity to the story and the emotional power such endings have. A sad ending doesn't make it bad. Sometimes, it can even enhance a work. King Lear is best not just when Cordelia dies, but when you think for a moment she might live and still dies.
I'm not sure Sucker Punch's ending enhanced the film. The audience is invested in Baby Doll's story. Her injustice, her call to action, her plan. That she sacrifices everything for Sweet Pea is noble, practical, and sad--considering the audience's connection to her character. What the audience gains instead of Baby Doll escaping is the satisfaction of seeing Blue taken down, and while he is a disgusting individual I personally was never invested enough in the system to see Blue getting removed as a greater victory than her just escaping. I put her escaping and Blue getting what he deserved just about equal in terms of emotional impact.
Admittedly, I could be overlooking something that gives the sacrifice a more signifigant impact.
Its how it ended though, and complaining about that is rather pointless. Earlier I said that I understood it to be about the only way the film could really end. It is what it is.
But understanding the dramatic power of a tragic ending and liking them are seperate things. I can appreciate, find meaning, note the poigency of tragic endings, but I doubt I will ever like them.
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I have no problem with well done, straight forward, sad endings. Most of the movies listed have those.|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
I've never understood why people don't like or won't accept sad endings. I love a good sad ending (when done right). Besides, technically there is a happy ending to this movie.
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Sucker Punch, in my opinion, doesn't have that. See, I read a lot of promotional material for the movie, and everything I read swore up and down six ways to Sunday that SP is Baby Doll's story. So I was actually annoyed at the big "revelation" more than anything. Don't get me wrong, I'd been wondering -why- the movie was called "Sucker Punch" since I heard the title, but I just feel the twist ending was poorly done. For me, the two girls getting killed suddenly, and Baby Doll getting lobotomized -anyway- overwhelm any happy endingy closure of Sweet Pea being the lone survivor of the whole thing.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
I have no problem with well done, straight forward, sad endings. Most of the movies listed have those.
Sucker Punch, in my opinion, doesn't have that. See, I read a lot of promotional material for the movie, and everything I read swore up and down six ways to Sunday that SP is Baby Doll's story. So I was actually annoyed at the big "revelation" more than anything. Don't get me wrong, I'd been wondering -why- the movie was called "Sucker Punch" since I heard the title, but I just feel the twist ending was poorly done. For me, the two girls getting killed suddenly, and Baby Doll getting lobotomized -anyway- overwhelm any happy endingy closure of Sweet Pea being the lone survivor of the whole thing. |
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The powers that be (the guardian angel/mission handler/bus driver) led Baby Doll through the missions, however she and other girls weren't who he was ultimately trying to help/save, instead he was trying to save Sweet Pea. It may have mainly Baby Doll's mission, but it wasn't her guardian angel leading her, she was just his weapon.
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Well, I'd say it's BD's movie in so much as she was the main character and it was all basically from her perspective.|
Originally Posted by Agonus
I have no problem with well done, straight forward, sad endings. Most of the movies listed have those.
Sucker Punch, in my opinion, doesn't have that. See, I read a lot of promotional material for the movie, and everything I read swore up and down six ways to Sunday that SP is Baby Doll's story. So I was actually annoyed at the big "revelation" more than anything. Don't get me wrong, I'd been wondering -why- the movie was called "Sucker Punch" since I heard the title, but I just feel the twist ending was poorly done. For me, the two girls getting killed suddenly, and Baby Doll getting lobotomized -anyway- overwhelm any happy endingy closure of Sweet Pea being the lone survivor of the whole thing. |
The Sucker Punch as it were, comes from the fact, that it was all about getting Sweet Pea free and not BD.
That doesn't stop it from being Baby Doll's story.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
, but I just feel the twist ending was poorly done. For me, the two girls getting killed suddenly, and Baby Doll getting lobotomized -anyway- overwhelm any happy endingy closure of Sweet Pea being the lone survivor of the whole thing.
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The more i think about it i'm glad that SP did escape...she initally sacrificed herself for her sister(mentioned in their backstory), she costantally was thinking about protecting the girls and was very very reluctant to leave Baby Doll at the end.
Now my question is Baby Doll said she learned something along the way...was it that she was going to have to sacrifice herself for the others(i believe so) because i know it wasnt "when you try to kill someone make sure you kill them" (see step-dad and Blue).
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That is what I understood as well.
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Originally Posted by Exodus_V
Now my question is Baby Doll said she learned something along the way...was it that she was going to have to sacrifice herself for the others(i believe so) because i know it wasnt "when you try to kill someone make sure you kill them" (see step-dad and Blue).
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@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
The way she stabbed the orderly down through the collarbone should have been fatal. I was surprised when the dude lived.
They just released the the first six minutes of Sucker Punch to those who are still on the fence about watching it.
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Oh, they get them, they just choose to dump on anything that doesn't meet with their idea of "good cinema." To a lot of the professional critics out there, if it's not Oscar material, it's crap. To others, its simply a job... muck = readers = sales = money = happy media owners = continued employment.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Those professional reviewers just don't get the movie!
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Others just have too much time on their hands
In any case, a lot of reviews seem to forgot that there's a whole class of movie fans out there. We go to the theater to escape. Most of us don't want some deep meaningful, life changing story. We just want to grab some popcorn, a big-*** bladder-busting soda, and lose ourselves for a couple of hours.
Sucker Punch is exactly that kind of movie. If you're looking for something more, grab your tissue box and go see "Exist, Consume, Worship" or " The Emporer's Oration..." SP is only going to disappoint you.
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That would be an awesome name for a They Live sequel.
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Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
Exist, Consume, Worship
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"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
However Sucker Punch has completely lost any appeal it had garnered with the trailers.
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