So he looks good while directing someone else's story. That's easy enough to fix, just don't let him do another one of his "original" stories.
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Wow. You realize this is his first original movie.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
So he looks good while directing someone else's story. That's easy enough to fix, just don't let him do another one of his "original" stories.
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Putting aside my own like of Sucker Punch, it's obviously bombed, but this is a first go at it. Could be that his next original works could be a big blockbuster.
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Will have to wait and see how it does with dvd sales! Donnie Darko didnt break even(yes this movies is no donnie darko) at the box office but it more than doubled its box office sales with dvd sales! Granted both box office and dvd sales for darko were very small numbers...i would say the jury is still out for a few months.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
With a global gross of $66 million on a budget of $82 million plus at least $30 million (probably more like $50 million) in marketing, that's officially a failure.
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This will definitely be one of the films that folks consider must-haves for their Blu-Ray collections.
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Originally Posted by Exodus_V
Will have to wait and see how it does with dvd sales! Donnie Darko didnt break even(yes this movies is no donnie darko) at the box office but it more than doubled its box office sales with dvd sales! Granted both box office and dvd sales for darko were very small numbers...i would say the jury is still out for a few months.
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Well that's better than writing him off as a has been like some others. Or automatically assuming the new Superman will be as equally unsuccessful because of his involvement.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Wow. You realize this is his first original movie.
Putting aside my own like of Sucker Punch, it's obviously bombed, but this is a first go at it. Could be that his next original works could be a big blockbuster. |
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Heck, the guy's flair for action sequences might help Superman a lot, considering that most of the action sequences we've seen from Superman in film have been variations on Superman versus heavy object. |
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Well that's better than writing him off as a has been like some others. Or automatically assuming the new Superman will be as equally unsuccessful because of his involvement.
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Did not read this so my review could be true
Sound Track + 10
Movie...
Was exaclly like a review I read which was.
"The movie puts a bunch of girls through video game challeneges, none of which makes sense, and it doesn't...And if you love that then our 2 stars will mean your 4 stars"
It was pretty...lacked the passion of 300! As for plot...Who cared anyways.
It was what it should be...A rental that you enjoy after 3 pints and enjoy because it's a music vid, extended and brought to the big screen.
It's fine...It's mindless ent..and at the end of the day, It's not worth twelve dollar popcorn, but definately worth rendtng for 4 bucks, with a $3,50 jar of salsa, and a 2 buck bag of chips
Plus I don't care who you are...cuz I love you all.
The sub plot was moldy cheese with an extra helping of CGI and extra mold.
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Donnie Darko cost around $4.5M to produce (and related costs with releasing it were probably comparable). Sucker Punch's production budget was almost twenty times that, and its marketing campaign was at least eight figures. That's an awful lot to make up for with DVD sales.
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Originally Posted by Exodus_V
Will have to wait and see how it does with dvd sales! Donnie Darko didnt break even(yes this movies is no donnie darko) at the box office but it more than doubled its box office sales with dvd sales!
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And even then the folks who take the financial success as an indicator of public reception and quality right now can just switch their position to "making money doesn't make it good" later. |
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Donnie Darko cost around $4.5M to produce (and related costs with releasing it were probably comparable). Sucker Punch's production budget was almost twenty times that, and its marketing campaign was at least eight figures. That's an awful lot to make up for with DVD sales.
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But sadly it won't be because it's a good movie. If it manages any kind of "surge" in DVD/Blu-Ray sales it'll be because people will want to try to justify their 72" flat-screen home theater they bought with 15-20 minutes worth of fast-forwarded eye-candy. Isn't that what Avatar was for? |
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And they can join a queue with the "critics have no taste/it's not for them" defenders of the movie against its overwhelmingly bad reviews of all stripes.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
And even then the folks who take the financial success as an indicator of public reception and quality right now can just switch their position to "making money doesn't make it good" later.
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But the really damning indicator of this movie's failure is the dropoff ratio of its box office receipts to its screens. Kick-***, a similarly geek-centric hyped flick that had better reviews but was far from well received, managed to keep its audience levels even as the number of screens on which it was playing shrank. That indicator suggested that either people who had seen it once were willing to see it again or its word of mouth was good enough to keep its per screen earnings level (or both) - and this was in a more competitive moviegoing season. It wound up being a box office hit thanks to steady business.
Sucker Punch, despite a vocal minority of defenders, cannot seem to attract either new or repeat viewings. The producers who paid $82M for it are taking notice.
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And they can join a queue with the "critics have no taste/it's not for them" defenders of the movie against its overwhelmingly bad reviews of all stripes.
But the really damning indicator of this movie's failure is the dropoff ratio of its box office receipts to its screens. Kick-***, a similarly geek-centric hyped flick that had better reviews but was far from well received, managed to keep its audience levels even as the number of screens on which it was playing shrank. That indicator suggested that either people who had seen it once were willing to see it again or its word of mouth was good enough to keep its per screen earnings level (or both) - and this was in a more competitive moviegoing season. It wound up being a box office hit thanks to steady business. Sucker Punch, despite a vocal minority of defenders, cannot seem to attract either new or repeat viewings. The producers who paid $82M for it are taking notice. |
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Talk, and emoticons, are cheap, especially on the Internet.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
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Unless the next tactic Sucker Punch's defenders are going to try is suggesting that it's going to be a neglected classic ripe for appreciative rediscovery by the next generation of geeks, the only way to make a real impact on its fortunes is either to see it again in the theaters or convince friends and strangers to take a chance on it, i.e. to put their ticket money where their mouths are. That's just not happening.
Or to put it another way, when someone sees a movie that stumbles like Howard the Duck and sinks like Howard the Duck and quacks like Howard the Duck, then it's probably a box office turkey.
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Cheap but occasionally entertaining. It's just so ******* adorable when folks put so much time and energy into ripping something on the Internet. Particularly when they make out their position to be the last vestige of reason and taste when they come upon the merest suggestion that someone else enjoyed the thing they didn't.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Talk, and emoticons, are cheap, especially on the Internet.
Unless the next tactic Sucker Punch's defenders are going to try is suggesting that it's going to be a neglected classic ripe for appreciative rediscovery by the next generation of geeks, the only way to make a real impact on its fortunes is either to see it again in the theaters or convince friends and strangers to take a chance on it, i.e. to put their ticket money where their mouths are. That's just not happening. Or to put it another way, when someone sees a movie that stumbles like Howard the Duck and sinks like Howard the Duck and quacks like Howard the Duck, then it's probably a box office turkey. |
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With the evidence in from all sides - film reviewers, audiences, and the cold hard box office figures - Sucker Punch is shaping up to be an object lesson in failed geek-centric auteurism and a black mark on the director's already spotty career. If it's a personal favorite of yours, then you'll have to mount a very eloquent defense to overcome all that.
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Cheap but occasionally entertaining. It's just so ******* adorable when folks put so much time and energy into ripping something on the Internet. Particularly when they make out their position to be the last vestige of reason and taste when they come upon the merest suggestion that someone else enjoyed the thing they didn't.
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Oh it's not a personal favorite. Although I haven't seen the owl movie yet, this is my least favorite Snyder film. I've already said it has its flaws as a result of the risks and experiments Snyder included, but it certainly doesn't merit all the doom-crying.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
With the evidence in from all sides - film reviewers, audiences, and the cold hard box office figures - Sucker Punch is shaping up to be an object lesson in failed geek-centric auteurism and a black mark on the director's already spotty career. If it's a personal favorite of yours, then you'll have to mount a very eloquent defense to overcome all that.
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In that case, there's a Worldwide Web's worth of comments sections for you to defend it in. Devoting your energies here is but a distraction from the larger battles for the honor of Zack Snyder.
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Oh it's not a personal favorite. Although I haven't seen the owl movie yet, this is my least favorite Snyder film. I've already said it has its flaws as a result of the risks and experiments Snyder included, but it certainly doesn't merit all the doom-crying.
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See, I'm not all too interested in taking it upon myself to throw the full weight of my ego behind upholding one of the extreme sides of the debate over the quality of this film, because I think there's better uses for my time. This is obviously where we differ.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
In that case, there's a Worldwide Web's worth of comments sections for you to defend it in. Devoting your energies here is but a distraction from the larger battles for the honor of Zack Snyder.
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There isn't a debate here, just the continuing news of Sucker Punch's downward spiral. There are only the facts and consensus on one side, and you've got your personal opinion on the other. I'm merely the messenger (increasing my post count).|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
See, I'm not all too interested in taking it upon myself to throw the full weight of my ego behind upholding one of the extreme sides of the debate over the quality of this film, because I think there's better uses for my time. This is obviously where we differ.
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I admit, though, I am fascinated by the phenomenon of Sucker Punch, just as I am with flops of all kinds.
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It's certainly devolved into less of a discussion and more of a circle-jerk of this film's decriers, and I was happy just to let this thread be, so long as I pointed that out. |
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
There isn't a debate here, just the continuing news of Sucker Punch's downward spiral. There are only the facts and consensus on one side, and you've got your personal opinion on the other. I'm merely the messenger (increasing my post count).
I admit, though, I am fascinated by the phenomenon of Sucker Punch, just as I am with flops of all kinds. |
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Yet here your again, emoticons and all.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
It's certainly devolved into less of a discussion and more of a circle-jerk of this film's decriers, and I was happy just to let this thread be, so long as I pointed that out.
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As long as I'm here, I'd like to keep supplying related links of interest. For instance, Sucker Punch's rep is so bad, other directors are publicly calling B.S. on it.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Yet here your again, emoticons and all.
As long as I'm here, I'd like to keep supplying related links of interest. For instance, Sucker Punch's rep is so bad, other directors are publicly calling B.S. on it. |
And it's just kind of a funny that you've washed your hands of this thread a few times yet feel the need to come back and mount a case against the film that appears to be based entirely on the thoughts and reactions of others over and over again.
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It is rather odd...you'd think he had some kind of stock market "i bet it fails" type of thing going on. I could *almost* see this amount of interest in the movie if that was the case, or if he was a studio head who had passed on the project...but to continually search out other people's opinions on a movie he hasn't seen almost borders on the fetishisitic
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Yes there are things such as emoticons and I use them to my liking. o.O
And it's just kind of a funny that you've washed your hands of this thread a few times yet feel the need to come back and mount a case against the film that appears to be based entirely on the thoughts and reactions of others over and over again. |
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Dawn of the Dead - $26 million, $102 million
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Legend of the Guardians - $80 mil, $140 mil
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