Hypothetical: Most cool looking power v. Most powerful power


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How do you make a decision based on an equation with something absolute on one side and something relative on the other?
I use my soul.


 

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I use my soul.
Well, my point was more that you can't really measure it and thus I think most people who go for the more coolness option would feel inclined to do even if the difference was much bigger.
You can't really weigh it against "a few percent".
I reckon the difference margin you tolerate when going for coolness is more likely to be quite large and it wouldn't be until the point of saying "Geez, this power A may look good but it's just absolutely, totally, utterly useless in comparison to power B!" that you'd decide otherwise.


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Cool-looking/fun factor definitely comes before power. I took both Handclap and Whirlwind.


 

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Hmm, if a power just looks plain cool, so cool that any flaws it may have are overlooked, it's more likely to be used by others. I can't have 'my cool' being on everyone else's toons, it detracts from the coolness. The rarer the cool, the better, IMO.

For example, if we got a new awesome looking Scythe weapon set that sucked for sustained DPS but was at least adept at DPA, I'd bet there'd be swarms of people playing it. Meh, I'll pass. Then when people start whining they aren't the best with it and go back to their SS brutes and DM/SD scrappers, I'll pick up the set and love it.

So, for the most powerful power, if it's readily available/accessible players will flock to that (eventually) and leave the coolness for those that truly appreciate it.

We need both. Even if it's for that min/maxer that wants to look cool on every other weekend or the hopeless superficialist to grind some farms with their superior power to make their cool characters decent.


 

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Cool-looking/fun factor definitely comes before power. I took both Handclap and Whirlwind.
I knew a guy who took Whirlwind for the sole purpose of using it as a flight emote.


 

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It depends on my character.

I have characters that shouldn't have the ability to call lightning from the sky. Those will take the mechanically powerful one with no visual effect.

My characters that should have the ability to call lightning from the sky will absolutely take that over the more mechanically powerful power.


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I took Frozen Aura before it did damage. On purpose, even.


 

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Cool looking!

Dual Blades, Dual Pistols, Martial Arts, Electric Melee...these are a few of my favorite things!


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I knew a guy who took Whirlwind for the sole purpose of using it as a flight emote.
I took it for one character because it fit his costume changes perfectly. This was before the advent of costume change emotes. I need to respec out of it once I work up the nerve.

Oh and that probably answers the question too but just in case: I choose "cool".


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I took Frozen Aura before it did damage. On purpose, even.
Same! Frozen Aura was the whole reason I even made an Ice Melee Tanker!

Not that I'm not glad to see it have damage now.


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For the most part, function trumps form for me. I want to play Gravity but I just can't, for instance.

If the difference is marginal, though, I choose the cooler one. For instance, one of my corruptors uses DP even though Fire is generally better by the numbers.

Although, once I've made the larger decisions on powersets and individual powers, I use whatever feels more fun at the moment.



 

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Cool looking!

Dual Blades, Dual Pistols, Martial Arts, Electric Melee...these are a few of my favorite things!
Preach it! My first main and also first 50 was a Dual Blades/Electric Armor brute. I played mostly on, sometimes off from the release of City of Villains on. I never got any character to 50. Issue 11 comes out and I've got my first 50 before issue 12 comes out. All due to having a blast with Dual Blades and Electric Armor (before it had Energize) without even taking Aid Self. Hell, back then I didn't even bother with IO sets so no soft capping either. But I had so much fun with that character (despite having tried Super Strength and Energy Melee).


 

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That's a good example. I don't like Lightning Rod, and I dropped it in a respec. Lot's of players think it's a great power, but it just doesn't work well for me.
our differing opinion on LR basically sums up the whole thread.

Was it the Form or Function which put you off the power that I think is best Form + Function in the entire game?

Seriously I could roll an army of sstalkers for how well that synergises with them, and probably just as many Scrappers/Tankers / Brutes... as long as they were all Electric Melee.


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That's an easy question for me. I have Nova. I have Eagle's Claw. And I use them.

Plus, "most powerful power" has limits. "Most cool looking power" has no limits. I'll take most cool looking.
It really depends... if the cool looking one is still somewhat useful, like Eagle's Claw here, then yeah, the awesome (still moderately useful) looking power over the useful one.

But let's say it's just an extremly cool looking emote with tons of special F/X, with no actual game effect, then I'd try the cool looking one out a bit on Test or in a respec, but would ultimately go for the useful one.


 

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Going by the thread title, for me this is a hard question to answer, and for a simple reason - both concepts are intertwined in my head. Let me explain.

I define "cool" not as something that specifically LOOKS cool, but something which generally FEELS cool, and "feels" is a very abstract concept. When it comes to powers, the coolest ones to me are the powers I feel like I want to use the most. I'm not talking about a conscious decision that "this is a good power, I want to use it," no. It's kind of like smelling your favourite food and feeling like you want to have some. There are certain powers that I feel this about.

So what makes said powers cool? Well... To be honest, performance, to a large extent. I don't know if this makes me suggestible or observant, but the more useful a power is, the more it tends to grow on me, and the more I start associating its look, sound and "feel" with good memories and good emotions. For instance, Blaze is probably one of the least interesting, least inspiring visuals in the entire game, yet the power is so good that I've grown to adore that tiny little devastating fireball, to the point that it soured me on all other Blasters who had nothing of the sort (which is why I no longer play them). By contrast, a very cool-looking power may start out impressing me, but once my sixth sense realises it's next to pointless to use it, I end up feeling reluctant to try it, and I start associating its visuals with bad memories and negative emotions.

I've always been like this, to be honest, both with games and longer-running series. I'll start out a game and look through the available selections of characters, cars, spaceships or what have you, and pick the ones I think are the coolest. As I play it, however, oftentimes the squinting bucktooth hunchback of the lot will start showing its true potential, and will convince me to see its charms where before I saw only ugliness. Capcom's Jin Saotome from the VS. games is a good example. I never really liked the guy's look, and everyone seems to regard him a joke character (even if they're wrong), but I've found myself drawn to him once I figured out how to play him.

This, in large part, is why I've made so many arguments about how some powers - particularly snipes - should be more powerful than they are, and that some powers don't really deserve to be as strong as they've been made. Sidestepping the Blaster Snipes controversy, Blaster Nukes are hideously underwhelming, even for how short a duration they have. Have you ever activated Inferno without any enemies around? It's more or less just Combustion with screen shake. Where's my giant mushroom cloud? Where's my supersonic flaming shockwave? Where's my pillar of fire to the heavens? The graphics for nukes are EMBARRASSING in this game, and there's no excuse for it, not with how strong they are.

I also want to complain about the Incarnate AoE attacks, but I've only seen clips of them so I'm not qualified to comment. Suffice it to say, though, I don't think they look nearly big enough, from what I've seen.


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Hmmmmm.

Propel gets mention because of it's neatorific effect. To bad it misses tons and is slower than turtles with bricks tied to their feet.

Widows Poison Dart gets mention because the sound effect (Shnikt!)

Force Bubble Gets Mention because...Well...for an Oh Shoot Button watching everything fling away just feels awesome.

DB Gets mention because of the fact that it looks beautifull.

Radiations Snipe is Awesome to hear and look at. It feels Comic booky Cartoony good!

Most powerfull (Im not talking damage) are Oil Slick arrow and Ice Slick. Because it messes baddies up...bad!


 

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Cool. Every time.



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Where's my peeps looking for power? All these cool looking powers mentioned here are hardly seen on an ITF so I know I'm not the only one!


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Going by the thread title, for me this is a hard question to answer, and for a simple reason - both concepts are intertwined in my head. Let me explain.

I define "cool" not as something that specifically LOOKS cool, but something which generally FEELS cool, and "feels" is a very abstract concept. When it comes to powers, the coolest ones to me are the powers I feel like I want to use the most. I'm not talking about a conscious decision that "this is a good power, I want to use it," no. It's kind of like smelling your favourite food and feeling like you want to have some. There are certain powers that I feel this about.

So what makes said powers cool? Well... To be honest, performance, to a large extent. I don't know if this makes me suggestible or observant, but the more useful a power is, the more it tends to grow on me, and the more I start associating its look, sound and "feel" with good memories and good emotions. For instance, Blaze is probably one of the least interesting, least inspiring visuals in the entire game, yet the power is so good that I've grown to adore that tiny little devastating fireball, to the point that it soured me on all other Blasters who had nothing of the sort (which is why I no longer play them). By contrast, a very cool-looking power may start out impressing me, but once my sixth sense realises it's next to pointless to use it, I end up feeling reluctant to try it, and I start associating its visuals with bad memories and negative emotions.
I think I'm with Sam on this.


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Basically what it comes down to for me is this:
The visuals of each particular power are just one thing adding to looking cool, but there are more.
For instance: if you leap into a LARGE group of mobs and fight an epic battle, doesn't it look cooler to come out on top standing there possibly scratched but dominantly in the center of the group as the last few mobs fly off of you in their incapacitated state than it does to get owned in a visually pleasing manner and end up doing pro floor inspection with bored mobs stood around you?
Yet aesthetics as such aren't the fuel that gets you there.


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Carrion Creepers for me. I just love those squirming tentacles of doom and the spam of tiny numbers and exploding corpses it leaves behind. And it takes all sorts of wonderful PROCs.

I also have love for a Dominators Power Push.

So I suppose I like having my cake and eating it too (what's the point of cake otherwise?)


 

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Where's my peeps looking for power? All these cool looking powers mentioned here are hardly seen on an ITF so I know I'm not the only one!
Thinking back to the ITFs I did last week, I recall seeing the following powers and powersets that I personally think are cool:

Propel
Foot Stomp and KO Blow
Oil Slick x3
Bonfire
Rise of the Phoenix
Dual Pistols
Dual Blades
Super Reflexes
Energy Blast x2
Storm Summoning
Dark Armor
Battle Axe
Tenebrous Tentacles
Full Auto (that was me)
Thunderstrike (Blaster version. Also me)
Fire Sword Circle (Tanker and Blaster version, the Blaster one was also me)

That's only what I recall off the top of my head. I also saw a lot of dead Romans. Oh, and did you know some people still use hover and fly? How quaint. Maybe if you stopped doing uber min-maxed speed runs all the time you'd see some of this coolness in action


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Powerful. Definitely powerful. I'm not that visual a person to be honest. I'd much rather take a power that makes me 10x more badass and looks like crap than one that looks pretty but doesn't do much.


 

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I prefer Cool-Looking, as long as the Power Level is 'pretty good'. It's why, for my Brute, I'll likely get Ion Judgement instead of Void Judgement come I20, even though the latter seems better numerically for a Brute. But Ion looks way-cool, and it's 'good enough' so there you go.

If a power isn't all that good, though, I'll still skip it (or minimal slot), even if I think it looks Cool as Hail (talking to you, Handclap), and I'll skip on a power that's extremely good for my build if I don't think it cool looking (ie. Gloom)