One global one server list once more EU is told they are loosers!
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Posted on: 2011-03-15 13:20 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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It looks like quite a few NA player have already said that they'll be making alts on the EU servers - in this thread and in others?|
Originally Posted by Black_Light
Ok, given that I OP and feel less stressed than I did when I did the original post I want to clarify a couple of points.
1) I know there will be people upset about loosing globals, I am one of them (and if someone can contact the US @Black Light and @White Knight and ask them to contact me on the forum, it would be fun to compare notes :P), but my real upset is that I will loose for no other reason that I'm playing on the EU servers. I thought I made that clear, but obviously my writing skill is lacking since so many seem to assume that it's just my names I'm upset about. I am upset about that the entier population on the EU servers gets shafted, for no other reason than they are on the EU servers. 2) I assumed this was a merge of server lists, not a EU gets access to NA servers, so why do so many NA players assume that I/we will come to you, why don't you come to us? I don't use both English speaking servers I have access to, so I why would I want to do more than a bit of touristing on the American servers? Give me a tell when you create your first alt on Union Lisa and I'll make a new alt and level pact you, and introduce you to all the nice people I know, and give you those welcoming hugs. I'll do that for you, just because you seem friendly. Forum text really suck at conveying sentiment, I just read it and it seem a bit sarcastic, but it's really just friendliness towards someone that seem friendly. |
I certainly don't feel like the EU players are getting 'shafted'.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
It's a fairly straightforward business decision all things considered. The Devs looked at the situation and said, "What's the way we can do this that'll impact the fewest number of people?" Letting the EU players take the hit on this obviously sucks for the players involved, but overall it minimizes the total number of people affected.
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Originally Posted by StormSurvivor
Firstly, I don't mean to call out, but I still don't understand how this is true. If there are 500 conflicts, surely 500 peoples' names would be affected regardless of whether it's NA-first, EU-first, Vet-first, or even gender-first. What makes the EU being affected less damaging than the NA? Genuine curiosity.
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As Arcanaville pointed out, doing it this way may mean less WORK from a programming standpoint. If you hit 500 people either way, then the way that is less work wins.
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Yeah, we got that. And several people tried to explain that there could be valid BUSINESS (database, administrative, etc) reasons for it, and not just "We hate the EU." But I guess you're too bent out of shape to concede that there might be logical and sensible reasons behind this decision.
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Originally Posted by Black_Light
but my real upset is that I will loose for no other reason that I'm playing on the EU servers. I thought I made that clear,
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Originally Posted by Cobra_Man
Personally speaking - as an EU player - I don't mind if I end up as @EU_Cobra Man.
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Originally Posted by Black_Light
1) I know there will be people upset about loosing globals, I am one of them (and if someone can contact the US @Black Light and @White Knight and ask them to contact me on the forum, it would be fun to compare notes :P), but my real upset is that I will loose for no other reason that I'm playing on the EU servers. I thought I made that clear, but obviously my writing skill is lacking since so many seem to assume that it's just my names I'm upset about. I am upset about that the entier population on the EU servers gets shafted, for no other reason than they are on the EU servers.
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Yes, EU servers are getting picked on because they're a clear minority. It's just a matter of convenience and practically. On the bright side, you're getting a lot more servers to play on. That might not be much of a consolation if you care more about non-tight global names than getting on other servers, but it's an important reason for the change.
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You might possibly lose your current global names, but you will gain many more potential teammates and servers to play on, loosely speaking.|
Originally Posted by Black_Light
Ok, given that I OP and feel less stressed than I did when I did the original post I want to clarify a couple of points.
1) I know there will be people upset about loosing globals, I am one of them (and if someone can contact the US @Black Light and @White Knight and ask them to contact me on the forum, it would be fun to compare notes :P), but my real upset is that I will loose for no other reason that I'm playing on the EU servers. I thought I made that clear, but obviously my writing skill is lacking since so many seem to assume that it's just my names I'm upset about. I am upset about that the entier population on the EU servers gets shafted, for no other reason than they are on the EU servers. 2) I assumed this was a merge of server lists, not a EU gets access to NA servers, so why do so many NA players assume that I/we will come to you, why don't you come to us? I don't use both English speaking servers I have access to, so I why would I want to do more than a bit of touristing on the American servers? Give me a tell when you create your first alt on Union Lisa and I'll make a new alt and level pact you, and introduce you to all the nice people I know, and give you those welcoming hugs. I'll do that for you, just because you seem friendly. Forum text really suck at conveying sentiment, I just read it and it seem a bit sarcastic, but it's really just friendliness towards someone that seem friendly. |
Now from a player standpoint this will just be a merger of server lists. From a coding perspective this almost certainly means that the entries from one server list will be imported to the other server list. Seeing as how there are far fewer EU accounts and servers than NA accounts and servers it makes sense to import the EU accounts into the NA database. In which case the safest and simplest method of resolving name conflicts is to alter the imported entries as they are imported.
A number of people have far more eloquently stated why they feel this is unfair, and it appears that the Devs will in fact be looking into alternatives to the current proposal for resolving name conflicts. Of course this will be far more complicated from a coding standpoint.
Edit: Zwillinger posted that they will taking player concerns about the merger repercussions into consideration here.
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I'm Sorry but... It says Server List Merge. Not The EU are moving to the NA servers. Irrelivent and ignorant statement.|
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Maybe I'm unsympathetic because I've been through this before in other games that have undergone server merges. It's extremely typical for name collisions to be solved by altering the incoming name from the server that is being closed so that it no longer collides with the existing name on the server that the closed server is merging into.
Sure, it sucks to have to change your global or, worse, change a character's name, but the alternative is to have no merge. Sure, Sam has an "easy fix" except that, like it or no, you're moving into our neighborhood and that gives us squatter's rights, if nothing else. It's a given that someone is going to be unhappy. There's no painless way to go about it and no truly "fair" way. Only a lesser of evils. |
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Originally Posted by Mirai
If they're loose, just tighten them up again.
Yes, EU servers are getting picked on because they're a clear minority. It's just a matter of convenience and practically. On the bright side, you're getting a lot more servers to play on. That might not be much of a consolation if you care more about non-tight global names than getting on other servers, but it's an important reason for the change. |
Now I understand, from a programming perspective its purely logical to push the data from EU on top of NA and solve any conflicts there. But Negating any chance for a fair resolution between players based purely on geographical data taking into account that they're both paying for the same service and features, just can't be ignored. Nothing but a Trail account global Vs a Full paying account Global should be acceptably resolved in an instant priority to one player.
I personally think it would have been a better choice to append *ALL* accounts with the relative geographical location and instead use it to their advantage. For example EU.<name> NA.<name> It might even benifit them in terms of passing location relative information along.
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Actually this is wrong.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
It's a fairly straightforward business decision all things considered. The Devs looked at the situation and said, "What's the way we can do this that'll impact the fewest number of people?" Letting the EU players take the hit on this obviously sucks for the players involved, but overall it minimizes the total number of people affected. If you can think of a way that would result in less of an impact than that I'm sure the Devs would love to hear how to do it. *shrugs*
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It effects the same amount of people no matter which way you do it.
If 5 people on the EU servers have the same name as someone on the NA Servers, either way they do it, 5 people are getting effected.
Now, giving it to the one with the most time played is a good way to do it.
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Well, Zwillinger posted in the official discussion thread today that the Devs will be looking into player suggestions regarding concerns raised over the naming conflicts and other issues.|
Originally Posted by Kindeller
I personally think it would have been a better choice to append *ALL* accounts with the relative geographical location and instead use it to their advantage. For example EU.<name> NA.<name> It might even benifit them in terms of passing location relative information along.
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The only problem with appending NA or EU to every account is that it might be non-trivial to add more characters to the account name field to accommodate names already at the maximum length.
Since they know of the concerns about names and have said they're looking into it i would suggest having a little patience for the moment.
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Well, yes, but keep in mind that I'm not being flippant because I'm not in Europe; I'm being flippant because I don't use global chat and wouldn't care if my global name got changed. Still, it is a matter of practicality. It would take far more work to negotiate individual name changes between two parties with the same name. I can't really think of a reasonable (in terms of time and effort) way to handle it besides what they're doing, so I can't call what they're doing unreasonable.
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Originally Posted by Kindeller
Its this attitude that sucks.
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I really don't think I'd care to have NA_GlobalName, as my global name |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Well, Zwillinger posted in the official discussion thread today that the Devs will be looking into player suggestions regarding concerns raised over the naming conflicts and other issues.
The only problem with appending NA or EU to every account is that it might be non-trivial to add more characters to the account name field to accommodate names already at the maximum length. Since they know of the concerns about names and have said they're looking into it i would suggest having a little patience for the moment. |
I really don't want to lose my global name I have now either.
If it's just choose one side over the other for quick an easy, I can see it. But giving it to the longer active account is a good way to settle it imo.
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I feel that this is the only truly fair way of handling the merge-|
Originally Posted by Kindeller
I personally think it would have been a better choice to append *ALL* accounts with the relative geographical location and instead use it to their advantage. For example EU.<name> NA.<name> It might even benifit them in terms of passing location relative information along.
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- no-one gets "picked on" because they are in a minority
- we're all treated the same regardless of geographic origin (after all, we're all supporters of the game and we EU players should deserve some credit for our continued support of this great game when populations have dwindled in recent years)
And if a little 2 letter prefix isn't such a big deal, as some of our colonial cousins would have us believe, then they won't fix bayonets over this fair and even solution.
If the "imported from the EU" label plan goes ahead anyway, I'm ready for a fresh start - you'll find me in the Horned God in the near future, getting ready to set out for Kingsmouth.
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First off, I'm one to jump on a misspelling, but I say lay off with the "looser/loser" thing. English isn't his first language. How well do you speak Swedish? That's what I thought.
Secondly, I get his concern. I wouldn't want to lose my global, either. All things considered, it's a minor thing, but it's still nice to have.
I think the fairest way to determine who gets the "pure" name is
Active > Inactive
Active Vet > Active New
in that order.
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What does that have do do with anything? He made a typo he didn't misspeak.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
English isn't his first language. How well do you speak Swedish? That's what I thought
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This thread does not have enough venom and hate....
*throws a chair at a random poster*
Seriously now, I can sympathize with the OP over the potential loss of an established Global name, but I do think he should wait to see how "bad" the situation is before he up and quits. Maybe his name will be preserved.
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I used "speak" in the colloquial sense of understanding a language and communicating same.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
What does that have do do with anything? He made a typo he didn't misspeak.
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Originally Posted by StormSurvivor
I also don't like (don't I sound moany?) this notion that the EU servers are moving to the NA list. As far as I'm concerned, two lists are becoming one. Neither server list is less important than the other.
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Originally Posted by Black_Light
I assumed this was a merge of server lists, not a EU gets access to NA servers, so why do so many NA players assume that I/we will come to you, why don't you come to us? I don't use both English speaking servers I have access to, so I why would I want to do more than a bit of touristing on the American servers?
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Had to look it up to make sure you didn't flub it then?
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Originally Posted by Ironik
I used "speak" in the colloquial sense of understanding a language and communicating same.
To wit: speak [speek] Show IPA ,verb, spoke or ( Archaic ) spake; spo·ken or ( Archaic ) spoke; speak·ing. verb (used without object) 1. to utter words or articulate sounds with the ordinary voice; talk: He was too ill to speak. 2. to communicate vocally; mention: to speak to a person of various matters. 3. to converse: She spoke with him for an hour. 4. to deliver an address, discourse, etc.: to speak at a meeting. 5. to make a statement in written or printed words. 6. to communicate, signify, or disclose by any means; convey significance. |
Oh .. come on! I am hearing this more and more....
It is a global name for crying out loud! Nothing else.
I have several options to change mine in... and if mine will be used and I really wanted to keep it. Wanted it strong enough to quit the game over. Which in my point of view is ridiculous. I would send a tell explaining just that to the NA user. And maybe he will change his.
Technically porting the EU to the NA account server is less hassle. It is the logical thing todo. It is not done to shaft the EU in any way.
The only thing I care about is the Trial accounts who shouldn't be in this comparison at all. Minimizing the chance.
ps. Will you never use a cellphone again if you lost your old phone number?
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Originally Posted by LISAR
Had to look it up to make sure you didn't flub it then?
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
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Black Light, I'm glad to see you feel a little less stressed about it after a bit of time and I hope it works out okay, when all is said and done.
I never really cared too much about my global name (even though many use it as the name they know me as [but I have about three that people use... my forum name/main character, my global and my guild portal username... So, I realized that my attachment to my global name is not as strong as others']). It's also just a made up name that is not likely to be used by anyone else.
Anyway, none of that matters, I just figured I'd share it, hehe.
I highly suggest waiting and seeing and don't worry about it right now. There is not much you can do anyway... so, worrying does no good. And, if something can be done about it, worrying is still not needed.
One last thing, with all respect. The English word you were intending to use is "lose" with one o.
Just for the record, your English was excellent and everything was translated perfectly well. Just that one mistake made a few times (losers, losing and lose).
Loose with two os is when something is less tight (loose screw, loose pants).
Don't worry about it. The English language has little traps set up just to make people trip up a bit... all to make others giggle, I think!
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That's a pretty bold statement...
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Originally Posted by Ironik
Whatever it is you're good at, I'm better at spelling and grammar than you are at that.
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I also have brown eyes.
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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
Oh .. come on! I am hearing this more and more....
It is a global name for crying out loud! Nothing else. I have several options to change mine in... and if mine will be used and I really wanted to keep it. Wanted it strong enough to quit the game over. Which in my point of view is ridiculous. I would send a tell explaining just that to the NA user. And maybe he will change his. Technically porting the EU to the NA account server is less hassle. It is the logical thing todo. It is not done to shaft the EU in any way. The only thing I care about is the Trial accounts who shouldn't be in this comparison at all. Minimizing the chance. ps. Will you never use a cellphone again if you lost your old phone number? |
Someone once said if our devs gave us solid gold bricks someone would be complaining on the forums that the devs didn't give him a wheel barrow to carry them in.
Personally I don't care if the devs change the global names of NA or EU accounts or both.
Ok, given that I OP and feel less stressed than I did when I did the original post I want to clarify a couple of points.
1) I know there will be people upset about loosing globals, I am one of them (and if someone can contact the US @Black Light and @White Knight and ask them to contact me on the forum, it would be fun to compare notes :P), but my real upset is that I will loose for no other reason that I'm playing on the EU servers. I thought I made that clear, but obviously my writing skill is lacking since so many seem to assume that it's just my names I'm upset about. I am upset about that the entier population on the EU servers gets shafted, for no other reason than they are on the EU servers.
2) I assumed this was a merge of server lists, not a EU gets access to NA servers, so why do so many NA players assume that I/we will come to you, why don't you come to us? I don't use both English speaking servers I have access to, so I why would I want to do more than a bit of touristing on the American servers?
Give me a tell when you create your first alt on Union Lisa and I'll make a new alt and level pact you, and introduce you to all the nice people I know, and give you those welcoming hugs. I'll do that for you, just because you seem friendly. Forum text really suck at conveying sentiment, I just read it and it seem a bit sarcastic, but it's really just friendliness towards someone that seem friendly.
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