So I heard you are redoing Citadel...

If I wanted to run a string of council paper missions, I'd go a do just that. But I don't. Because it's BORING.

So ... Taskforces you can blitz with your mind set in the off position are a good thing now? Speeding is a norm for quality?

TFs should be fun and engaging. They should be different and special. Again if I wanted to run a string of paper missions I can go do that without being locked in a TF for 2 hours.

Indeed. And it's marvellous. Imo the best designed taks in the game.

Not that I really suggest doing this...but since Reichs won't leave his platform, you can do hit and runs (attack him till ambush spawns and retreat to entrance to deal with them). They do stop eventually though.

Fixed that for you. =P

Hollows trial is sadly Anything that requires you to have a full team otherwise you fail is very bad

I LOVE THAT TRIAL!

I hope they never change it!

It's perfect! It's quick!

The 8 people limit is only a problem when 1 of the 8 people (or more) don't know how to accomplish a task or the type to flake out on a TF/Trial they started to begin with.

Love the Cavern of Transendance. I used to run that many time DAILY for people, back when you know, people were always going to the Hollows.

Well, the thing is, I avoid radio/newspaper missions whenever possible, because they're boring as hell. So a string of unavoidable defeat-all radio missions isn't really the way to win my enthusiasm.

We've done CoT under 4 minutes

http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/a...st/CoT3-41.jpg

but I think it can be done under 3 minutes

The actual trial/maps are great, its just that if one person crashes or has to leave, then you have to restart the trial all over again that stops me from doing it more often.

Hollows trial is different and rather fun. All the trials are imo ten times more fun than the old TF commander TFs.

I wish they would open up the sewer trial for lvl 50s. Make it a lvl 40-50 range, that way they might see some more use. And the Eden trial too while they're at it.

I stand corrected.

Thanks for helping to set the expectation G.G.

FWIW, we recognize that there are plenty of opportunities for improvement with some of the...shall we call them "legacy"...TF's/SF.

I spoke to SM about this topic today, and he clarified with me that we do intend on revisiting this, and he did indeed point out the Citadel TF as being one that could be viewed as particularly egregious, however we aren't announcing any revamps just yet.

- Z

I'm trying to think how many times I've done the original Posi through Ouroboros....nope, can't think of any.

The only reason I don't do new Posi more is because I don't like being exemped that low, and I don't alt much. I'd be all over a revamped Citadel, Manticore or Numina.

Sounds like a good time for a Moderated player-poll!

i've done it a fair few times.

Good Merits, quickish to solo with the right build.

But on topic.

The problem with Citadel is not a problem with only citadel.



Sister Psyche: contains a few Council
Citadel: ITS ALL COUNCIL!!!
Hess: ^^as above^^
Moonfire: ^^as above, but alot of soft control-resistant ones^^

20 - 30, 4 TFs, 3 of qhich are painfully similar to the others in every way. I never do Hess or Moonfire unless im desperate, and Citadel is one shot per character for me.

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl [*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*

Fantastic idea.

Yeah for the MoBarracuda SF run/attempt I was a part of a month or two ago; we just waited for all the ambushes to come to us.


1 HOUR and 5 minutes later....no more ambushes!


We got the MoBarracuda badge! Tedious but...a lot safer

And if you want to get technical, he said a Task Force; not a Trial....CoT is a Trial and not a TF (if I am remembering correctly). Soo...


But yes, as others have mentioned, most (or really all of) of the old blueside TFs need a revamp badly.

"TF hate list" for me (top being the worst):

1.) Any Shadow Shard TF
2.) Moonfire TF
3.) Numina
4.) Synapse
5.) Sister Psyche
6.) Citadel
7.) Manticore



Granted, the first time I did the Moonfire TF I was sooo bored...all vamps and wolves...ugh....And at the time there was no +5 lvl boost...so it capped at lvl 30 (I think)...so no FS (for my main EI)....ugh...

Then the badges for doing TFs came out and I had to run the Moonfire TF again! heh....

It's a good TF to get the Wolves/Vamps defeat badges though :P

Ah, but I included the Cathedral of Pain in my example. Is that a Task Force, or a Trial?

Love it Guy..

Now let's get into some specifics:

Synapse Rule # 1 and #2 Generally this thing takes close to 2 hours and the main reason is .. a defeat all to start things off, followed by a street hunt and then after a quick talk to mission.. three straight defeat alls, followed by a patrol (OH WE ALL JUST LOVE PATROLS) and then another defeat all. Simple fix... Convert mission #1 into finding and clicking a glowie that contains that electrical Anomoly which presently just happens to always ne in the possession of the last Clockwork in the building. Want to make it a bit more of a challenge then force the team to clear the room the glowie is in before getting mission complete. Then eliminate at least one, preferably two, of the Defeat all Clockwork in the Station missions. I'd say remove the patrol, simply because I generally view them as mindless time killers, but on occasion it does come in handy if team members want to train and enhance since it doesn't take 8 people to click a few patrol boxes. Then change the current Stop all robots in headquarters mission into a defeat Leader and crew mission. NOW let's seriously delete PATROL number two and simply have the location of Bertha's base be a clue we find when we defeat the Boss in the HQ mission. So to recap we switched 2 missions from defeat all to defeat the leader and crew. eliminated 2 (or at least one) defeat all and one patrol. Suddenly Synapse can be finished in 90 minutes or less and doesn't feel quite so much like we are NEVER going to see the end.

Citadle Rule #1 and # 2 Okay Citadel is a bit shorter and can usually be accomplished in about 90 minutes unless you just have one REALLY bad team but again its a serious of mindless defeat alls with a couple of Defeat the leaders tossed in. Missions one and two don't even require the team members, other than the leader to travel since they always always ALWAYS share the same door in Ind Port. Okay lets start with mission 1/2 Leave one a defeat all but switch the other to a defeat the base leader and minions to cut a little time and curb the boredom.. and for heavens sake MOVE the entrance to mission 2 to at least another spot in IP.. Geez I think we can find another door soemplace! After mission 2 leave everything else alone through the street hunt.. One suggestion>>> Another problem people have with Citadel is every single mission is in those twisting turning cave bases.. move a couple to the sewers or a warehouse just to give us something else to look at and a few breaks from navigating through rock wall. Now lets consider the defeat 40 Council .. and then lets toss it out completely. Thanks to the 5th Column resurfacing finding 40 council members anywhere is like pulling teeth and beside I HATE street hunts. And that brings us to the three straight defeat all missions .. every one one of these requires the team to also click 3 glowies so switch them all to clicking the glowies and to keep it interesting make two of them situations where the entire room the glowies are in must be cleared as well (so it doesn't become just a race to see how fast we can click 9 glowies in three different missions). To make this work better move a couple of these out of the cave bases and into warehouses.. that way it could even be possible that 2 or even all three glowies are located in the same large room.

Manticore Rule # 3 Manticore while not THE most popular TF is actually pretty good as far as rule 1 and 2 go. Aside from a couple street hunts most missions are defeat the base leader or click the glowie to complete. If anything could make it better lose the hunt missions... In case you haven't figured it out yet every team looks for the lowest level Crey can can find and pounds them fast to move on not caring a bit if they earn a scrap of XP or INF. What really needs to be worked on here in HOPKINS Sorry but just like Guy says the man simply does not present much of a challenge these days. The TF tops out at 35 so when a group of 50 join one they keep all their powers up to level 40 (or one level away from epics). We are all IOed out these days and Hopkins and his pathetci minons drop in a heartbeat. Here's an idea.. Add in Countess Crey herself and possible even a third brand new Crey AV to join Hopkins in that warehouse for a meeting to finalize their evil plans. Now that would make for an interesting ending.

Numina Rule # 6 Please God stop boring me to death with midless street hunts against villains so low I can take out 10 with one AoE attack. This weels WST is a monumement to seeing if we can bore the team to death. Fifteen straight street hunts and all but a few against low level villains that offer up no xp, no INF, no salvage and no recipes. Rule one is almost never an issue .. I have done 9 or 10 this week and with stealth most were complete in under an hour.. without in about 1 hour and 20 minutes. But this TF has several flaws now .. 1) Faultline has been revamped and no longer has huge mobs of Vahzilok roaming the streets.. while it isn't impossible finding and defeating 20 can be one of the longer tasks and gets even more interesting when its the WST and 4 or 5 teams are trying to defeat the same small groups located there 2) Once again the 5th Column have bullied the Council into hiding and to make matters worse when we do find Council the 5th column immediately attack them and we have to fight to get credit for kills. 3) Zone event which didnt exist when whoever dreamed up this nightmare. The very first Numina I did this week was stopped twice... once by a banner event in Faultline and then again by a Rikti invasion in Talos. That nightmare ended at just over 2 hours. i don't even know where to start with suggestions here... My own opinion would be get rid of all 16 hunts and actually add a few more door missions that involve the actual spotlighted villain group .. the Devouring Earth. Presently we start off a battle Freakshow, the Crey, then Nemesis, followed by COT before the long list of street hunts begin. Only the final two missions of the entire task force even involve DE and to make matters worse.. we don't even fight an AV we battle Jurrasik and a scaled down "MONSTER" not GM version of him that doesn't even award the badge we can get by facing him in CF. Want to spice thing up a bit.. Make him a GM and award an extra 2 merits and the defeat badge for taking him out in the cave. with very few exceptions an 8 man team can tackle Jurrasik in CF and this might makes team leaders think a bit more when team building considering what they face in the final. IF you won't eliminate the hunts at least do this.. in another similar post someone suggested eliminating the zone specific defeats. Okay defeat 10 Clockwork... I am already in Perez park which has Clockwork everywhere why do I need to go to Atlas Park for them? This would also deal nicely with the issue of Zone events.. okay the Rikti are invading Kings Row at the moment I am headed to Perez Park to defeat 10 Skulls. It will also make finding and defeating 20 Council a lot easier.. I can head to Striga where they have a huge base full of them and gee very few 5th column to steal my kills. Vahzilok of course can be found almost anywhere..Atlas, Galaxy, KR, Steel, and Perez Park so no more problem with not even to go around on WST weeks.


hehehe I'd go one but decided to limit it to the big six involved in the TF Commander accolade and beside you REALLY don't want me to start telling you how to FIX Doc Q. This doesn't involve switching missions at all. After doing it twice now in more than 5 years ( over 5 hours on the first and slightly more than 4 the last time with my badger) it involved one of those hospital tables with the tie down straps and making sure the good Doctor never has ANY offspring. Ahh back to actually playing the game.. Have fun I am SURE this will result in a series of posts about how my ideas would ruin things horrible .. Yeah we might actualy have FUN on a TF instead of fighting to stay awake and alert. ... "Did she just say that?" lol