This seems a bit excessive.

Can't say I ever saw anything quite that challenging but I am drooling considering the hours I have spent in the Shadow Shard tracking down Fakes. lol

So when i went through the 40 - 45 nemesis arc and EVERY map/mission in that 3 day long arc had almost purely just the lieuts . . . . i should have bugged it? . . . . .

Edit: Looking at the pic all i keep thinking is "yeah come to daddy!"

HOW DO YOU DO THAT!?

I swear you have a file cabinet filled with various stories waiting to be used >_>

Few in the Dark Watcher's arc. Not *a* mission. The two I specifically recall are rescuing the nemesis defector (and can he *PLEASE* be made either non-suicidal or not as squishy?) and rescuing Dietrich and Sefu (well, finding seafood's body.)

I'm still iffy about that. Like I've said, I've run this arc with fair sized teams (6 or so, which is what we had this time) and I've never seen it. The comments from my friends (who have also played COH for years, some since launch) reinforced that - they hadn't seen that either.

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They'd have to be. I don't see many other ways to understand all the 'plots' Nemesis has going.

I'm telling you, I have a screenie I need to upload that had that precise configuration of Fake Nemesis spawns, taken only a few days after Issue 10 went live.

Considering how many RWZ missions are pretty much guaranteed to fail if you bring more than two or three people along, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Well, then, I'm genuinely surprised that we don't get regular posts of doom from players complaining about this.

When the all-lieutenant bug was happening, there were regular posts about it.

It could be an intermittent bug. Or a one-time bug that has resurfaced.

Wait until the league code gets added in issue 20 and they can get 48 of them on a team .

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I agree with this - I've seen that spawn every time I do those arcs with a large team. Always have.

We've had some fun ways of dealing with those spawns, too. Confusing them all is hilarious. But my favorite was the all-corruptor team where we all used our tier nine nuke on them at the same time. Killed 'em all in the alpha strike.

I'm of the opinion that it's not a bug at all. These spawns occur almost exclusively in Dark Watcher's arc, though they appear once in Serpent Drummer's arc as well. They all have dialogue that suggests that everyone in the spawn is supposed to be a Fake Nemesis (Although there's always a single Lieutenant in the center as well). Solo, these spawns are made up of two Fakes and the Lieutenant. It makes sense that their numbers would increase to 8 plus the Lieutenant if you have a larger team or are set for a larger team.

As for why we haven't heard much about them, here are some possible reasons:

1. Two (Out of three) missions they appear in can fail if certain NPCs (Which tend to have very little survival instinct) are killed. It's entirely possible that they are killed before the players see the spawns, which is especially likely on large teams, where this would occur.
2. People could be running these on slightly lower difficulty levels most of the time. Thus, they'd probably see 2 or 3 Fakes in a group, which probably would seem odd but not register as something TOO out of the ordinary. The fact that we can now set ourselves to be equal to larger teams when we're soloing increases the likelihood of smaller teams seeing these spawns, which is probably why we're noticing it now.
3. These start appearing relatively far in the RWZ contact chain. Though they appear in Serpent Drummer's arc, General Aarons' suicidal tendencies make it less likely that players will see them before he dies. After that, they appear exclusively in Dark Watcher's arc, who is the last contact in the chain. Considering the fact that Gaussian's arc is very difficult, it makes sense that a lot of people didn't get all the way to Dark Watcher to see these spawns.
4. As shown in this thread, some people simply don't notice it or actually love it. When people are in steamroller mode, something like this might not register and when it does, some people just view it as an interesting challenge. Considering the OP was on a smaller team (With what appears to be high enough difficulty settings to spawn bosses in normal spawns), it makes sense that it would be much more noticeable to them.

Closest I got to that is when the Cyclone Elementals will take over the spawn in a random radio mission. Nothing makes you tinkle in your kilts at lvl 25 faster than seeing lvl 54 Elementals floating around a warehouse, talking like Freakshow.

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"Fake" Nemeses? At least one of those guys HAS to be the real one. Or at least the seldom seen "Nemesis Ocho?"

The first time I saw a spawn of almost all fakes was back when the revamped RWZ was on test. I ran through the arcs with my fire/kin since she was my main back then. I ran her on invincible and dropped her down after encountering (I think it was) 5 of them at the end of one mission. Since then, I've encountered them on anyone running at higher difficulty. I never thought anything of it since the mission that I spot them in is one that says to defeat a group of fakes. Frankly, I thought it was common knowledge that these types of spawn will happen in the RWZ arc and I was a bit surprised when I read this thread and realized that so many people didn't know it existed.

Here's my thing - I'm running with very experienced set of players, who run this content regularly (as do I) with fairly decent team sizes and high settings. (We work rather well together.) Between us, we've probably run this content hundreds of times. The universal reaction was "What the..."

If one of us had seen it before, well, most of us should have, and if it was just one or two of us that didn't remember it, the others would have mentioned it - and it wouldn't have warranted a thread. Seeing a similar reaction of "Where did you get that spawn?!" from Evilgeko and a few others in here...

(If you're wondering about players, you may recognize them - Hex Girl - times two, as she was dual boxing, we're trying to get a pair of her characters to 50, her fiance, I *believe* we had Duck with us as well on these runs, myself and Valkyrierising - who tends to run RO teams, as well - plus another SG-mate. Not atypical, and certainly a group that should have run into this before.)

Hitting this once would have been noticable in a "that's odd" sort of way. Doing so in multiple missions? That's like getting a purple recipe drop in every spawn, attention-getting wise.

I'm not arguing that you (and others) haven't seen it before. I'm wondering now why our troupe *hasn't,* given how we normally run (either together or apart, at least one of us should have run into this before.)

Newspaper mission held over an issue change... yeah, I dread seeing what happens with those. Fortunately, if I see "BOSS_NAME" after an issue drop, we can change now. And I can avoid doing this again:



... level 7 vs level 51. Yeah. Ow.

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Agreed, it could only be made AWESOMER with a full team of nrg/nrg blasters all doped up on reds jumping in an simultaneously nuking every last one of them steam leaking brass bastages.

We've gotten four in a group a few times, but never THAT many.
Holy smokes...

Is it bad, though, that the first thing I thought seeing that screen-cap was "Mmm. Badge credit."?

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