Issue 20 info is up!
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-03-01 11:34 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I was trolling in another thread before... And Im still dissapointed.
But...
We gonna get 4 levels of Incarnate: Interface, Lore, Jugdment and Destiny.
New TF and trials...
Also the new loading screens are in test. And they are very nice.
To me the most important content are:
Costumes, powers and customization.
More than new TFs and Endgame. Thats why Im down with I20... I wanted some proliferation, upgraded and new costume pieces, pool customization...
Is a bit frustrating to some of us to always "keep waiting" for the things we care more. Im even ok with paid boosters, but even in that matter they dont release what Im waiting for.
Patience, I guess, or quit for a while...
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LOL, I found this response funny and Sam's before yours.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
We talked recently about this. I've been holding my tongue and not really arguing against you with the stridency that I am known for. But I feel at this point that you are being needlessly provocative for someone who claims to not like arguing on the forums.
If you continue down this patch of arguing against what I believe are very positive changes to the game, then I shall respond in kind. |
BOTH of you are allowed to state when you DESPISE or LOVE announced issue features.
I NEVER hold my tongue whether I agree with something the devs are doing or not doing. IF you completely disagree with what someone post on the forums put em on ignore.
Life is too short to let text make you mad or ill.
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Was only in for the first mission because GF is forcing me to talk to her on msn . . . [she wont read this ] but who wants a few screenies of the new TF 
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I smell an issue 20.5 The Sting pack £19.99.
Too many 50's to list here's a few you may know.
Slazenger, Area51, Area53, Area54, Erruption, Mind Plague, Thresher, Sheath, Broadside, Debt
This is the first time since I started just after Issue 9 where I'm not really excited about anything coming up in this issue.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I was trolling in another thread before... And Im still dissapointed.
But... We gonna get 4 levels of Incarnate: Interface, Lore, Jugdment and Destiny. New TF and trials... Also the new loading screens are in test. And they are very nice. To me the most important content are: Costumes, powers and customization. More than new TFs and Endgame. Thats why Im down with I20... I wanted some proliferation, upgraded and new costume pieces, pool customization... Is a bit frustrating to some of us to always "keep waiting" for the things we care more. Im even ok with paid boosters, but even in that matter they dont release what Im waiting for. Patience, I guess, or quit for a while... |
.On the note of proliferation, just curious what else is left? I see some [mostly stuff amongst the melee damage powersets], just really curious as to what you're looking for in proliferation.
Let's Dance!
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Illusion Doms.|
Originally Posted by reiella
If you do quit, put the reason why and fill out the exit survey
.On the note of proliferation, just curious what else is left? I see some [mostly stuff amongst the melee damage powersets], just really curious as to what you're looking for in proliferation. |
Energy Melee for Scrappers
Ice for Brutes.
Traps for Controllers.
Kinetics for Masterminds
I could go on, but that's just off the top of my head.
Powerset Prolif is no way near finished in potential.
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Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
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I stopped seeing these forums as the friendly, mature community that "we" like to pat ourselves on the back as being about six months ago. I'm not sure if that's when the change happened, or if that's when I personally noticed it, that being the the first time I started to get actually concerned for the game and expressing "unpopular" opinions.|
Originally Posted by Caulderone
You're not alone in your current feelings of disappointment in how things are going. Don't let the Raid Progression lovers get you down. Everyone is entitled to their view, and to express their view.
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However, the mere fact is that if you hold an unpopular opinion here and you dare express it, you become a pariah, and otherwise reasonable people will not think twice to resort to surprisingly low-brow insults, passive-aggressive goading tactics, false dichotomies, opinion-as-fact and a whole slew of other malicious argument, all seemingly with the hope of stamping out dissenting thought.
When my stomach turns just seeing certain people's names, I can no longer say that this is a nice, friendly community in good conscience, because it isn't, not unless you filter out a great many people.
I hold no obligation to be "understanding" of the work of a professional development team, a team that I am a paying customer to. If I like the product, I will say so, and have on many occasions that people conveniently forget. If I don't like the product, I will also say so. That's what the forums are for. City of Heroes differentiates itself from other games through the direct line of communication with have with the development team, however much some posters would like to sever that line. I intend to use this to make my opinion know, for what that counts. My honest, unedited opinion, not a reined in version that omits important points.
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I don't like I20. I like it even less than I thought I would when people were insulting my intelligence and telling me how much of an idiot I was for doomcrying without having seen what's in the Issue. In 20 Issues so far, I have not seen one that has had so little for me, and I count things like PvP which I don't do, base building which I don't care about, Inventions which I'm not interested in, Safeguards which I hate, badges which I'm not interested in and and really any Issue that I can think of to name.
Furthermore, I have never before felt so genuinely depressed for the future of the game than I do right at this moment. I see a feature list which horrifies me to my very core, and I can just see the pride with which it is written, as if saying "Tune in for more of this!" I'm a patient man, I'll see this through... But I've never, ever had to rely on patience before.
This is my opinion of I20. If you don't like it, you are free to not read anything I say ever again, because it doesn't look like I'll be saying anything new. If my dislike of the Issue makes you angry, then that reflects on your own personality more than anything else. Me not liking the Issue shouldn't take away from your ability to enjoy it because - as I was reminded countless times - my $15 is worthless, so no-one should really care if I stay or go or how I feel about the game. I'm one of those repugnant solo players, after all, and as such you won't be teaming with me anyway. There's no reason for you to care.
I'm done arguing for my right to have an opinion, an I don't intend to do so again.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I hope theres more to come...
No info about more proliferation, no new free costumes added?  |
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
...To me the most important content are:
Costumes, powers and customization. More than new TFs and Endgame. Thats why Im down with I20... I wanted some proliferation, upgraded and new costume pieces, pool customization... Is a bit frustrating to some of us to always "keep waiting" for the things we care more. Im even ok with paid boosters, but even in that matter they dont release what Im waiting for. |
I agree to a point. I sorta expected I20 to be BIGGER in terms of general QoL improvements. For instance, didn't War Witch elude to bases getting some loving a while back? I thought that was for I20 but have those improvements been pushed back in the release schedule or shelved indefinitely?
(Sorry if I seem ungrateful! The new trials sound exciting!).
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Energy Melee, Energy Aura, Ice Melee, Ice Armour, Battle Axe, War Mace, Super Strength for Scrappers.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Illusion Doms.
Energy Melee for Scrappers Ice for Brutes. Traps for Controllers. Kinetics for Masterminds I could go on, but that's just off the top of my head. Powerset Prolif is no way near finished in potential. |
Ice Melee, Ice Armour, Battle Axe, War Mace, Super Strength, Invulnerability for Stalkers.
Katana, Broadsword, Martial Arts, Spines, Regeneration for Brutes.
Off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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A lot of stuff is not finished in proliferation:
Illusion doms, martial arts secondary for blasters, psy blast for corruptors...
But hey ok, leave proliferation alone.
What about finishing power customization? Pools, APP/PPP, Masterminds...
Theres a lot of stuff that I would love to see done, and day never comes.
I cant quit, and I dont want. But is sad waiting all time for devs to release something of my taste... I feel like always waiting for next issue, to be dissapointed again.
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Thank you, Much of it did look like melee powersets (and coping with trying to keep some 'difference' between the melee ATs) to me, I just really didn't think of traps for Controllers, and it would be a nice addition there. MM Kin may be wishing a bit too high though, but given that Castle isn't with the company anymore, it's possible I suppose.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Illusion Doms.
Energy Melee for Scrappers Ice for Brutes. Traps for Controllers. Kinetics for Masterminds I could go on, but that's just off the tip of my head. Powerset Prolif is no way near finished in potential. |
And just to clarify, I'd like to see more of those gaps closed [properly], I just see a lack of low-hanging fruit to do so.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
A lot of stuff is not finished in proliferation:
Illusion doms, martial arts secondary for blasters, psy blast for corruptors... But hey ok, leave proliferation alone. What about finishing power customization? Pools, APP/PPP, Masterminds... Theres a lot of stuff that I would love to see done, and day never comes. I cant quit, and I dont want. But is sad waiting all time for devs to release something of my taste... I feel like always waiting for next issue, to be dissapointed again. |
Let's Dance!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I stopped seeing these forums as the friendly, mature community that "we" like to pat ourselves on the back as being about six months ago. I'm not sure if that's when the change happened, or if that's when I personally noticed it, that being the the first time I started to get actually concerned for the game and expressing "unpopular" opinions.
However, the mere fact is that if you hold an unpopular opinion here and you dare express it, you become a pariah, and otherwise reasonable people will not think twice to resort to surprisingly low-brow insults, passive-aggressive goading tactics, false dichotomies, opinion-as-fact and a whole slew of other malicious argument, all seemingly with the hope of stamping out dissenting thought. When my stomach turns just seeing certain people's names, I can no longer say that this is a nice, friendly community in good conscience, because it isn't, not unless you filter out a great many people. I hold no obligation to be "understanding" of the work of a professional development team, a team that I am a paying customer to. If I like the product, I will say so, and have on many occasions that people conveniently forget. If I don't like the product, I will also say so. That's what the forums are for. City of Heroes differentiates itself from other games through the direct line of communication with have with the development team, however much some posters would like to sever that line. I intend to use this to make my opinion know, for what that counts. My honest, unedited opinion, not a reined in version that omits important points. --- I don't like I20. I like it even less than I thought I would when people were insulting my intelligence and telling me how much of an idiot I was for doomcrying without having seen what's in the Issue. In 20 Issues so far, I have not seen one that has had so little for me, and I count things like PvP which I don't do, base building which I don't care about, Inventions which I'm not interested in, Safeguards which I hate, badges which I'm not interested in and and really any Issue that I can think of to name. Furthermore, I have never before felt so genuinely depressed for the future of the game than I do right at this moment. I see a feature list which horrifies me to my very core, and I can just see the pride with which it is written, as if saying "Tune in for more of this!" I'm a patient man, I'll see this through... But I've never, ever had to rely on patience before. This is my opinion of I20. If you don't like it, you are free to not read anything I say ever again, because it doesn't look like I'll be saying anything new. If my dislike of the Issue makes you angry, then that reflects on your own personality more than anything else. Me not liking the Issue shouldn't take away from your ability to enjoy it because - as I was reminded countless times - my $15 is worthless, so no-one should really care if I stay or go or how I feel about the game. I'm one of those repugnant solo players, after all, and as such you won't be teaming with me anyway. There's no reason for you to care. I'm done arguing for my right to have an opinion, an I don't intend to do so again. |
If folks don't like it they can put you on ignore.
Please keep in mind that you can do the same to them. Will save you a lot of stress.
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Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Sure. But it's time for folks that are upset to do what I did during Issue 18. Wait your turn. I didn't quit after Issue 18, I grumbled and did tips until the love that was Issue 19 dropped. It's time to recognize, that not every issue is going to be everyone's cup of tea.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Lets say you skip tier 1/2/3 and went straight for tier 4 [very rare] of a tree, the cost to craft the salvage needed + the inf to craft comes to 3 bill
The rare salvages cost 500mill each plus . . . other salvages below them which require 60 threads for them . . . . . so a LOT of inf is needed to even contemplate the very rares Tier 1 on the other hand is available with 60 threads. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
But please don't insult my intelligence by accusing me for not being all sunshines and roses when I have never, in my seven years here, been less excited about this game. It's getting to the point where just reading new Issue features is making me physically ill, and I mean that in all seriousness. Sure, it doesn't help that I'm already ill, but reading over that list of features was just that little bit extra I needed to just lose it completely.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
We talked recently about this. I've been holding my tongue and not really arguing against you with the stridency that I am known for. But I feel at this point that you are being needlessly provocative for someone who claims to not like arguing on the forums.
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Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
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I can see a situation down the line where a lot of this stuff becomes like the raids in WoW Vanilla and BC... dust gatherers that most people skip because there are better, faster ways to get to the level cap, or should I say incarnate cap. So we'll be left with a bunch of Caverns of Transcendance - old, increasingly obscure content with stupid group requirements, or the Eden trial, with its antiquated and now worthless rewards. |
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
...but who wants a few screenies of the new TF
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The xp you get is for every mob u defeat IIRC. Think of threads as chunks of XP.
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Ah, I see. So you don't get threads as rewards on the raids, they're the Shard conversion method to advance?
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
The xp you get is for every mob u defeat IIRC. Think of threads as chunks of XP.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Ah, I see. So you don't get threads as rewards on the raids, they're the Shard conversion method to advance?
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Correct.
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Then what exactly is the point? Why not just allow conversion of Shards to XP without adding another type of currency?|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Correct.
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Unless something is planned to directly award Threads somewhere down the line.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I stopped seeing these forums as the friendly, mature community that "we" like to pat ourselves on the back as being about six months ago. I'm not sure if that's when the change happened, or if that's when I personally noticed it, that being the the first time I started to get actually concerned for the game and expressing "unpopular" opinions.
However, the mere fact is that if you hold an unpopular opinion here and you dare express it, you become a pariah, and otherwise reasonable people will not think twice to resort to surprisingly low-brow insults, passive-aggressive goading tactics, false dichotomies, opinion-as-fact and a whole slew of other malicious argument, all seemingly with the hope of stamping out dissenting thought. When my stomach turns just seeing certain people's names, I can no longer say that this is a nice, friendly community in good conscience, because it isn't, not unless you filter out a great many people. I hold no obligation to be "understanding" of the work of a professional development team, a team that I am a paying customer to. If I like the product, I will say so, and have on many occasions that people conveniently forget. If I don't like the product, I will also say so. That's what the forums are for. City of Heroes differentiates itself from other games through the direct line of communication with have with the development team, however much some posters would like to sever that line. I intend to use this to make my opinion know, for what that counts. My honest, unedited opinion, not a reined in version that omits important points. --- I don't like I20. I like it even less than I thought I would when people were insulting my intelligence and telling me how much of an idiot I was for doomcrying without having seen what's in the Issue. In 20 Issues so far, I have not seen one that has had so little for me, and I count things like PvP which I don't do, base building which I don't care about, Inventions which I'm not interested in, Safeguards which I hate, badges which I'm not interested in and and really any Issue that I can think of to name. Furthermore, I have never before felt so genuinely depressed for the future of the game than I do right at this moment. I see a feature list which horrifies me to my very core, and I can just see the pride with which it is written, as if saying "Tune in for more of this!" I'm a patient man, I'll see this through... But I've never, ever had to rely on patience before. This is my opinion of I20. If you don't like it, you are free to not read anything I say ever again, because it doesn't look like I'll be saying anything new. If my dislike of the Issue makes you angry, then that reflects on your own personality more than anything else. Me not liking the Issue shouldn't take away from your ability to enjoy it because - as I was reminded countless times - my $15 is worthless, so no-one should really care if I stay or go or how I feel about the game. I'm one of those repugnant solo players, after all, and as such you won't be teaming with me anyway. There's no reason for you to care. I'm done arguing for my right to have an opinion, an I don't intend to do so again. |
Infact I have taken time *away* from the forums due to several people being "all doom and gloom" and really not offering what *alternatives* they would be looking for.
It was more of their case of "My way or the highway" (or at least that is the impression that I was getting from them at least).
It is indeed a two way street.
For me, the past few issues have been full of content that I actually enjoy. I am a casual player who plays maybe 4-6 hours a week, teamed and solo.
I do not alt a great deal (I actually *hate* the idea of Alting as I am a completionist for single characters).
Have there been things that I dont agree on from the developers side.. indeed there has been.
(Side note: the Lambda isntance is indeed a *challenge*)
In all the previous issues, i dont believe that they have actually *announced* all the solo content that was added (ie the extra tips, and indeed the couple of extra arcs that was added in I19)...
*shrugs*
Take a break from the forums, that is what I would recommend.
*note* I would name names, but I think that this whole post would get moderated.
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You can actually *earn* Threads just by defeating mobs in the BAF and Lambda instances.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Then what exactly is the point? Why not just allow conversion of Shards to XP without adding another type of currency?
Unless something is planned to directly award Threads somewhere down the line. |
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Then what exactly is the point? Why not just allow conversion of Shards to XP without adding another type of currency?
Unless something is planned to directly award Threads somewhere down the line. |
We dont know what the award is yet for completing the trials so possibly them.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
You know, there's one last thing I want to say before I go to bed to nurse my headache, and please don't take this as a criticism for the game, because it isn't (for a change).
The more I hear about the Incarnate system, the less I actually want to take part in it. I realise it sounds like a good thing, but consider that not wanting to take part in a system is still better than wanting to, but being unable. The Incarnate system has very little content, and this does not look like it'll be changing. Sure, we went from 2 TFs to 2 TFs and 2 Trials, but that's not all that much.
Furthermore, and much more importantly, the Incarnate system looks like it'll be all TFs and Trials and Raids. There is officially no point in shooting for Incarnate powers if you don't want to do TFs and Trials and Raids, since that's all you have to use them on, and said powers are redundant anyway, not to mention probably disabled in normal content, from what I hear.
All that adds up to a system that you'll really only ever want to play if you actually like the system, as the only benefits it provides loop back into the same system and seem to affect little else. On the plus side, it isn't gating anything I want with tasks I don't want to perform. On the other hand, it's shaping up to be a massive part of the game that I see no reason to like, personally speaking.
I'm willing to delude myself into thinking that I20 is the I7 of Incarnates, where they will be getting a large chunk of that content out of the way and focusing on that primarily, and that subsequent Issues will have a greater variety of new additions (greater than 4 TFs, but I digress). It's ever so slightly disconcerting to be looking to I21 before I20 has even rolled out, but at least I can kind of squint and keep looking forward for it for the time being.
Let's just say that I21 will be the one to prove me wrong and shut me up once and for all and just patiently wait for that. Now if that one turns out like this...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Damz is incorrect (maybe he just got unlucky with the RNG) but I was getting Incarnate Thread drops in the same manner as Incarnate Shard drops while in the Lambda Trial.|
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Ah, I see. So you don't get threads as rewards on the raids, they're the Shard conversion method to advance?
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I was also able to craft two Thread-based common components (but was unable to manage a third to make a Judgement ability) after converting 100 Shards to Threads on top of the drops I got.
If you continue down this patch of arguing against what I believe are very positive changes to the game, then I shall respond in kind.
Now, onto hypothetical speculation... If the devs are planning on focusing heavily on team based content going forward then I think it's a terrible mistake. The game is 7 years old, with a playerbase that is by most estimates smaller than it was even two years ago when I signed up, and if you want to draw attention to the low pop on some servers there's no better or faster way to do so than to release a lot of forced teaming content.
I was on Triumph on sunday morning, villainside. There were SEVEN players showing up on Search, throughout the entirety of redside. I'm not buying it that there were that many more on /hide.
Yeah, more TFs are probably being run at the moment, because the Weekly Task Force bribes people to do them - seriously, people aren't running Sister Psyche over and over because it's fun. The new stuff is probably being run a lot as well, because it's new and shiny...
... but what happens a year from now, or two years? How easy will it be to put together 12 or 24 players for the BAF when everyone is pushing their mains through the 9th and 10th tiers of Incarnate content, or the 3rd and 4th for that matter? Yeah, people have alts, but the number of people who'll be grinding multiple alts through the incarnate process is going to be relatively limited... and split up across 11 servers.
I can see a situation down the line where a lot of this stuff becomes like the raids in WoW Vanilla and BC... dust gatherers that most people skip because there are better, faster ways to get to the level cap, or should I say incarnate cap. So we'll be left with a bunch of Caverns of Transcendance - old, increasingly obscure content with stupid group requirements, or the Eden trial, with its antiquated and now worthless rewards.
I'm not saying that will happen, but this is an MMO, and you need to take a long view of content in an MMO, unless we do want this to turn into another "The game starts at 50" grindathon, which would be a tragic waste of potential.