Want a Notice of the Well solo? That'll be...
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-02-10 19:03 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Lets' see; this mean I could afford exactly one Notice solo. Assuming I didn't want much of anything else.
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Originally Posted by Jetpack
It also means that all of your shards are going to the Alpha slot.
So, no other Incarnate slots could be gotten, as they said all of the slots can be opened with shards. Hmm. Of course, you could keep the numbers high and just up the shard drop rate. |
More fun. If someone had level 50s in all the slots in one server (more than the default, assuming they've bought all possible slots), and if all the slots had the same shard "cost" to fill, by the time they were done they would have made...
Wait for it...
More than one Trillion influence.
This is starting to sound like the US Budget Deficit.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I see a very rare tab.
So how much for the Favor of the Well? |
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Or half the time i spent levelling up my 1st 50 from scratch...
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Originally Posted by Leandro
Edit: okay, I thought of something to add. Let's say you want to get the shards by hunting bosses, for example in PI by Portal Corp. Let's say you are a capable build that can defeat a boss in under a minute, and travel to another boss before the minute is over; it'd take 24,000 minutes to get all the shards you need. That's 400 hours, or 4 times longer than it takes to level to 50.
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the only problem with that theory is grai matters are also limited timewise so you can only get 1 per 18 or 20 hours
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Originally Posted by Aliana Blue
Anyone knows the drop rate of Vanguard Merits? 150 VMs give you one Gr'ai Matter, which can be converted into one shard. Doing the insane grind I described above with Rikti could cut down the time slightly.
More fun random maths: If the entire playerbase took the solo route, we'd have depopulated the earth before we were done. |
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If you insist on limiting your options, it is completely your fault when attaining the very rare alpha slot takes you an extremely long time.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
That I refuse to do. When I'm playing the game, I'm playing the game, not sitting around crafting. I have my Field Crafter badge, and I'm done with any crafting that isn't directly related to enhancing my characters.
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100 mill aint squat...bring it on!!
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I used the TF conversion trying to make a point, to put the exercise into a context to which the teaming-advocate crowd would more readily relate. In the slight hope that it might elicit slightly more sympathy than "Suck it, soloers! Stick it to 'em, devs!"|
Originally Posted by brophog02
The problem with this conversion is that the solo player is often not doing the Weekly Strike Target because they don't want to do TFs (for a variety of reasons), so converting 1 TF into ~10 TFs doesn't make sense in the context since neither is explicitly solo content.
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However, I concede that Leandro's example did it better.
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My main has been played 847 hours (now, that's got a lot of RPing and crafting time (Field Crafter, remember) included). Over three years. So unless I step up my game a lot, it will take me a year and a half to get my Very Rare alpha slot, and that's if I do nothing but kill bosses while I'm in the game. |
Originally Posted by Leandro
That's 400 hours, or 4 times longer than it takes to level to 50.
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That sounds pretty excessive to me.
start farming Eiko, you can do it
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I've been faced with that situation before in many MMOs (it's possible to get somewhere, but only through extremely excessive playing). I have always chosen to find a better place to spend my money instead. |
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
start farming Eiko, you can do it
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The latest victim was the brand new superhero game. I could get somewhere playing that, but only by doing 5000 missions. I decided that wasn't worth it. I'm really hoping City doesn't end up the same way.
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That's what happens when you intentionally limit your playing options.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
I've been faced with that situation before in many MMOs (it's possible to get somewhere, but only through extremely excessive playing). I have always chosen to find a better place to spend my money instead.
The latest victim was the brand new superhero game. I could get somewhere playing that, but only by doing 5000 missions. I decided that wasn't worth it. I'm really hoping City doesn't end up the same way. |
A 45-60 minute WST would save you 88 Shards and 100 million Inf 
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Of course, we don't know if WST will still be there when i20 rolls out..
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A 45-60 minute WST would save you 88 Shards and 100 million Inf
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GG is right.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A 45-60 minute WST would save you 88 Shards and 100 million Inf
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I have never been on a TF shorter than 90 minutes in my entire play history. I don't like doing speed runs (I get lost and disoriented when you skip around objectives) and I tend to run slower than "steamroll" teams. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A 45-60 minute WST would save you 88 Shards and 100 million Inf
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Usually, TFs I've been on have taken 2:00 to 2:30.
And no, I don't want you to invite me to your speed run. I'd be no better than a door sitter, and I'm not willing to be a door sitter.
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Try seeing how many of those TFs you manage to get on between midnight and 6 AM PST, and have other things in your life than playing a game that keeps you from playing more than 2 or 3 of those hours 1 or 2 nights a week. Based on my experience, If I'm lucky I have the opportunity to get into about 1 TF a month, which I may or may not have time to do at the point it starts forming. |
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Looks like a decision needs to be made about how much anti-teamers want a Notice. (I refuse to say Soloists, because everyone solos here and there.) It takes about an hour, hour and a half to run a TF and get that Notice, plus you'll end up with merits and shards. It might take a week, maybe two, or more, to earn enough shards to craft one yourself, and maybe you'll make enough inf on the other drops you get to break even.
They said they'd put a system in, they never committed to how easy or hard it was gonna be. |
So, it has nothing to do with being anti-team. I'm effectively locked out of incarnate content solo for the same reasons I don't enjoy farming. I'm locked out of incarnate content through teaming because of the hours I can play.
What has been completely ignored in these discussions is that a large number of the people asking for reasonable solo options have done so NOT because they have said "I hate teaming" but because they have said they either don't have time, have a situation that requires frequent AFKs, or can't get on TFs very often. This is why a reasonable method for acquiring incarnate abilities solo is needed.
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It will be. The introduction post for it said that the badges can be earned over a period of several weeks or months.
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Originally Posted by Signpost
Of course, we don't know if WST will still be there when i20 rolls out..
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If these were the final numbers with no other option, then my reaction would be....
That needs to be prepended to every post in this thread since these aren't Live, nor are they Open Beta, nor are they even Closed Beta numbers. The *pre*-Closed Beta is still in progress and numbers are always in flux.
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There has been absolutely zero indication to think WST is temporary. Multiple places it has been stated the WST will change every Tuesday. |
Originally Posted by Signpost
Of course, we don't know if WST will still be there when i20 rolls out..
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
I have never been on a TF shorter than 90 minutes in my entire play history. I don't like doing speed runs (I get lost and disoriented when you skip around objectives) and I tend to run slower than "steamroll" teams.
Usually, TFs I've been on have taken 2:00 to 2:30. |
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| And no, I don't want you to invite me to your speed run. I'd be no better than a door sitter, and I'm not willing to be a door sitter. |
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They are adding in solo options for team-based end game. They have said it will be longer to do the Alpha slotting. Then limiting what you do in the game, only to turn around and say it is too much, not going to work.|
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
My main has been played 847 hours (now, that's got a lot of RPing and crafting time (Field Crafter, remember) included). Over three years. So unless I step up my game a lot, it will take me a year and a half to get my Very Rare alpha slot, and that's if I do nothing but kill bosses while I'm in the game.
That sounds pretty excessive to me. |
Now I will admit, a lot of my toons have never (until recently) had over 100 mill. Once I learned that one or two recipes can garner 200+ mill I worked on that. I was able to budget out build much quicker and earlier thanks to that. For just start up earning money...well I am not a large farmer so it took roughly 4 years to earn 500 mill from defeats(leader). Although with the market I can play around and make enough money in short amount of time not to worry.
Hell just selling drops you should have no problem with that. Or even just selling common IO recipes to the vendors at lvl 50 for close to 100K builds up quickly.
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Gemini
Try seeing how many of those TFs you manage to get on between midnight and 6 AM PST, and have other things in your life than playing a game that keeps you from playing more than 2 or 3 of those hours 1 or 2 nights a week.
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If you refuse to use a busier server, that is your fault for limiting your options.
I see a very rare tab.
So how much for the Favor of the Well?
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