I feel bad for Statesman...

I'm editting demorecords to get the bat into her hand during the Kneel before Zod Emote. I'll chop the fingers off that hand tomorrow and that should cover up that problem.

Maybe, but I agree with what Troy Hickman wrote; I like the idea of an old and wise superpowered character who is benevolent and uplifting to those around him. Like Troy, I'm a fan of the Cary Bates Superman and the Kurt Busiek Captain America (there's just a genuineness in their characters that just makes me smile every time I read them and that Silver Age Superman is still a heroic ideal I like trying to emulate).

I didn't join CoH around the time of the backlash against Jack Emmert, so I don't have any bias towards Statesman's creator. So I strike out on that point also. And finally, I've never found him as written to be 'better than me' or insufferably arrogant. Maybe my memory's bad, maybe I've just tried to choose what it is I see in Statesman rather than try and reconcile the conflicting whole.

I grew up reading Superman, and will always, always love that character. And without meaning to belabor the point, I want what Troy wants; that potentially really interesting, really cool character. I guess if I choose to see him that way, he will be. My respect for him as a character went up doing the Incarnate arc because we learned he could give into rampant power and become a dictator, but he chooses not to. He's showing wisdom there that a lot of people may not given that situation (I'm lookin' at you, Recluse).

So I may not begrudge anyone who wants to make fun of him (I mean, this is nothing compared to the infamous site about Superman's behavior over the years, and it rhymes with hickory), but I'm not inclined to put the boot in as we say down here. To use another cliche from Star Wars: I still see the good in him.


S.

You ARE being melodramatic, no one is taking this discussion super seriously.

You're also wrong. Matters of emotion are still matters of logic. It's bizarre that you feel otherwise. I realize that Star Trek's Vulcans suggest that logic and emotion are two sides of a coin, but they are not. There are reasons and rationalizations behind emotions, they don't just magically happen.

And yes, claiming it as impossible is an intellectual dishonest position for reasons stated earlier in the thread, because that isn't logical either.

No, no, no. It's the other party's burden to laugh, and then go write more fanfic. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.

Hey, are you trying to derail the derail??

What I read into Troy Hickman's depiction of Statesman was a combination of factors: First and foremost, being over 100 years old is a lot of territory to cover, especially with everyone in your age-group (save Recluse) dying off. Second, Statesman is also dealing with the aftermath of the first Rikti invasion, in which most of his super-powered peer group was killed off; his intial interaction with Moodswing reminded me of the story of the rude clerk: the customer's reaction to the clerk's rudeness was mollified upon hearing that their son had died suddenly two days earlier. I think Troy went a long way toward the "cool, noble but interesting" hero we would like to see in Statesman. (He also showed what high-level scripting can do for a comic, but that his another topic.)

Statesman, in the totality of his in-game and comic presentation, is currently a confused jumble and a poster boy for the perils of different writers with different agendas (and skill-sets), much like many Silver Age heroes are today, which is too bad. That particular point would take us pretty far afield, but I will note that Troy Hickman once said something to the effect of, "If you want a moody, psychopathic, adulterous, self-loathing vigilante 'hero,' then create one yourself--- don't ret-con an existing hero into one."


I think that is a good point, and someone else has pointed out that thanks to speaking with Statesman, Lady Grey and the Mender, we as heroes know a lot more about what we are getting into, and the extreme dangers of the "all at once" route that Marcus Cole had no idea he was getting into.

Abs was not the body part that I first thought of, but it works.

True.

But if someone else rejects the claim that Faultline and Statesman aren't in a relationship of some kind, it is not their burden to prove that they are; it's the other party's burden to prove they aren't.

And "a claim is false if it has not been proven" is just as wrong. The correct state for an unestablished claim is to neither believe nor disbelieve.

Interesting trivia point: Not everyone's brain works the same way on this. For some people, a claim can be in a state of "don't have any reason to believe yes or no". For other people, the only options are believe or disbelieve. One of my friends is in the latter category, and he thinks things are false if they aren't proven true. I mean, not logically, he knows that's wrong, but his brain experiences them as though they're false.

So for instance, imagine the claim "the difference from the center of the earth to the center of the sun, measured in centimeters and rounded towards zero, is an even number." He has no evidence for it, so he thinks it's false. Now try the same claim, only with odd. He has no evidence for it, so he thinks it's false. If he tries to think about both at once, his head hurts. Me, I just don't think either of them is true, but that doesn't imply that I think they're false.

What's bizarre is taking such a hardline logical stance on a fictional relationship between fictional people in a fictional world who have fictional super powers. You say you are not taking this seriously but that is very hard to tell based on the nature of the language you are using. My apologies for reading the intent of your statements incorrectly.

Anyway, even if we did apply logic to this super-serious-but-not-super-serious discussion, the only argument that I've seen made in favor of the pairing is that these two characters "could" be in a relationship. The burden is not to prove that they are. It's to prove that they could not be, which is an entirely different situation. Since in a fictional world the characters could be in a relationship at the stroke of a pen any logic folds on itself. It's like arguing about whether Statesman has relatives in Australia. The answer isn't logical, it's "he will if it's convenient to the plot."

Good.



I needed some vermin to shoot at.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Yes. But there's something even more disturbing about that screen, and I'm not sure if I'm not the only one this happens to or whether I'm dirty for even noticing. The location of the "confirmation" button on the previous screen mixed with the fact that the cursor turns into a kind of grasping hand frequently has me end up groping Miss Liberty with cupped, blue fingers. The locations just seem to line up perfectly on my monitor. And Statesman is watching with his lazy eye. Ew.

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Nemesis/Reichsman? That has potential for Teutonic man-love.

Now that's a love triangle with plenty of possibilities.

No, no, no. If you're REALLY going to go for heavy metal love, it's got to be Nemesis/Clockwork King all the way.

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

Dark_Respite's Farewell Video: "One Last Day"
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)

Something about this just clicks.

It says he can't get it to work for Windows 7, which is what I use. And here I had hope of not staring at his face any longer...

It could get quite steamy.