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Posted on: 2010-12-17 12:50 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Armagetron? GLTron?
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Saw it and dug it, taking my son to see it in 3D. and I want one of those light fighters...
Oh and Flynn's black trench coat..
First place opening weekend with 43.6 mil/66 mil worldwide. Production cost likely means it will only make profit due to international sales and DVD/Blue-ray, but to be honest I think a lot of movies fall underneath that category.
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Originally Posted by Veritech
though i think my favorite performance in the whole movie was Castor/Zoos (i think that was his name). the guy running End of Line. completely over the top and awesome.
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Nice montage there, Ironik! And yes, Michael Sheen very nearly stole the movie with his scenes. 
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Originally Posted by Ironik
Yes. That's Michael Sheen, and there's nothing he can't do. Easily one of the best actors working today, probably one of the best of all time. You may recall him as Lucian in Underworld, or Tony Blair in, well, a lot of things, or David Frost in Frost/Nixon, or as Nero....
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Originally Posted by ShoNuff
Oh and Flynn's black trench coat..
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From what I have heard, I haven't watched it yet, the plot sucks... why? Simple...
CLU needs to get x... Why? To take over the world. How? What does x do? No clue.
The plot is the basic story that is laid out with major details such as what the **** does x do and why it is needed to do something.
The Premise is great... however, it's not this creative team's premise so you can't count that. And the basic idea of "lets go see what happened in this world!" isn't really a novel idea.
The story itself is full of holes from what I understand and more or less dismisses the premise to be more of an action flick with babble put in to sound smart, but fails to miss out on everything that the original was trying to do and both in my opinion fails to live up to the great premise that is there is this digital world where the programs you load are manifested as actual people.
Whether the effects are great or not I have no idea, but from what I hear the effects were garbage and this I really must wonder about because they aren't doing anything revolutionary in the film or even slightly new for most if not all of the movie... and CLU didn't need to be a younger version... so if it was even average i'd have to say it failed in terms of graphics.
Of course there are also people saying that the graphics weren't used the same way... and I gotta say if what i heard was true of how the bike and frisbee scene were...then the movie did a complete disservice to the original concepts those things were going for and I would go so far as to say the writer or director, whoever did that, had no understanding of the original and shouldn't have been involved with the movie if they had the power to get that in there.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
From what I have heard, I haven't watched it yet, the plot sucks... why? Simple...
CLU needs to get x... Why? To take over the world. How? What does x do? No clue. The plot is the basic story that is laid out with major details such as what the **** does x do and why it is needed to do something. The Premise is great... however, it's not this creative team's premise so you can't count that. And the basic idea of "lets go see what happened in this world!" isn't really a novel idea. The story itself is full of holes from what I understand and more or less dismisses the premise to be more of an action flick with babble put in to sound smart, but fails to miss out on everything that the original was trying to do and both in my opinion fails to live up to the great premise that is there is this digital world where the programs you load are manifested as actual people. Whether the effects are great or not I have no idea, but from what I hear the effects were garbage and this I really must wonder about because they aren't doing anything revolutionary in the film or even slightly new for most if not all of the movie... and CLU didn't need to be a younger version... so if it was even average i'd have to say it failed in terms of graphics. Of course there are also people saying that the graphics weren't used the same way... and I gotta say if what i heard was true of how the bike and frisbee scene were...then the movie did a complete disservice to the original concepts those things were going for and I would go so far as to say the writer or director, whoever did that, had no understanding of the original and shouldn't have been involved with the movie if they had the power to get that in there. |
White Hot Flash,
I am speaking of what is said of the movie. All that is required is to say I am wrong about the plot and it is a good plot is to say, and explain why CLU needs the item he is after the entire movie.
With the story holes, you expect some problems and over sites, but no where near what was described. The fact that there is a "club" in the movie shows that their is somewhat a lack of understanding of why the original movie was the way it was. Even without seeing it I can say that much.
And the graphics.. My point is that Tron shouldn't be using anything hard to do so if they are even remotely commentable as "bad" it shows that they are far worse than what people think because they are so standard and easy... and if they are going beyond the standard and easy they are trying too hard.
But like I said, I haven't watched it, but from what I have heard there is a lot of problems with it and my opinion will only likely get worse after I watch it.
As far as the main review I am basing what I am saying off of... It's our favorite neighborhood Spoony of course.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
White Hot Flash,
I am speaking of what is said of the movie. All that is required is to say I am wrong about the plot and it is a good plot is to say, and explain why CLU needs the item he is after the entire movie. With the story holes, you expect some problems and over sites, but no where near what was described. The fact that there is a "club" in the movie shows that their is somewhat a lack of understanding of why the original movie was the way it was. Even without seeing it I can say that much. And the graphics.. My point is that Tron shouldn't be using anything hard to do so if they are even remotely commentable as "bad" it shows that they are far worse than what people think because they are so standard and easy... and if they are going beyond the standard and easy they are trying too hard. But like I said, I haven't watched it, but from what I have heard there is a lot of problems with it and my opinion will only likely get worse after I watch it. As far as the main review I am basing what I am saying off of... It's our favorite neighborhood Spoony of course. |
Rylas, when you comment on Smallville you almost always miss the details or for some reason don't remember details from earlier that are presented. What I am commenting on is the plot from my understanding relies on something that makes no sense and isn't explained why.
CLU's plan is to take over the world using his army that he has assembled by taking them through to the real world. To do this he needs the gateway open. The reason the gateway wasn't open pre-movie is he didn't have time to get this plan all together until after the gate closed...Therefor, all he needs to do now is find some way to open the portal, which happens in the first what? 10-20 mins of the flick?
So...movies over at that point...No of course not... We need some reason to explore the world and such so they say we need this ID disc...but never answer why from what I have heard. It's not to form in the real world because if it were the son would have to use one and again...movies over in 20 minutes... The only thing I can think of is that the disc has some sort of proof of who the guy is, but if that's the case he has misconception of how the world works and that doesn't seem to be the case either and even if it were he wouldn't need the disc nor would the disc be used to confirm his identity and it still wouldn't be useful because its the son the owns everything already so CLU still couldn't do anything without the son allowing it.
So what it ends up being is all filler, which I could accept on terms of well it's jsut an excuse to look around this world and explore the premise of the world of digital processes, but it isn't, not with crowds and clubs and such things that shouldn't be in the digital world so the plot aspect is crap, it ruins the premise aspect, and apparently the guy can't tell a story based on the various details Spoony pointed out.
As far as the CGI... everything that should be in that movie should be very simple to do by todays standards and so if they are bad at all it shows a lack of talent or focus on those aspects in favor of something which whether it was good or bad doesn't matter cuz it didn't need to be in the movie. I'm not saying that the CGI itself is bad, but rather that if it is to anyone then there is a problem...and I have heard people say they are bad so I am left with the conclusion that they are indicative of other bad decisions on the film.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
As far as the CGI... everything that should be in that movie should be very simple to do by todays standards and so if they are bad at all it shows a lack of talent or focus on those aspects in favor of something which whether it was good or bad doesn't matter cuz it didn't need to be in the movie. I'm not saying that the CGI itself is bad, but rather that if it is to anyone then there is a problem...and I have heard people say they are bad so I am left with the conclusion that they are indicative of other bad decisions on the film.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
No AT/powerset, AFAIC, is "undesirable." Give me a halfway competent player - or at least one willing to listen and go with the rest of the team - and we're good.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
The story itself is full of holes from what I understand and more or less dismisses the premise to be more of an action flick with babble put in to sound smart, but fails to miss out on everything that the original was trying to do and both in my opinion fails to live up to the great premise that is there is this digital world where the programs you load are manifested as actual people.
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Whether the effects are great or not I have no idea, but from what I hear the effects were garbage and this I really must wonder about because they aren't doing anything revolutionary in the film or even slightly new for most if not all of the movie... and CLU didn't need to be a younger version... so if it was even average i'd have to say it failed in terms of graphics. Of course there are also people saying that the graphics weren't used the same way... and I gotta say if what i heard was true of how the bike and frisbee scene were...then the movie did a complete disservice to the original concepts those things were going for and I would go so far as to say the writer or director, whoever did that, had no understanding of the original and shouldn't have been involved with the movie if they had the power to get that in there. |
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Originally Posted by Durakken
White Hot Flash,
I am speaking of what is said of the movie. All that is required is to say I am wrong about the plot and it is a good plot is to say, and explain why CLU needs the item he is after the entire movie. |
| With the story holes, you expect some problems and over sites, but no where near what was described. The fact that there is a "club" in the movie shows that their is somewhat a lack of understanding of why the original movie was the way it was. Even without seeing it I can say that much. |
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Originally Posted by NorvellDevelopment
The only major recurring complaint regarding the movie's special effects are the CG'd face of CLU (and, to a lesser extent, younger Flynn in the beginning). And while it's not perfect (IMHO, the only time it's really shaky is in the early scenes under the real world's lighting), I personally think it's still pretty darn good. It's not flawless, no. But that's because there are limitations on the technology that I get the impression you're not aware of. This video has probably one of the best examples of a CG'd face (even one that's been scanned and recreated with a computer) that our software is capable of, and it's not flawless either.
It's not that the CLU effects are 'bad'; if you stop and think about the fact that there are people who still insist that it's just clever makeup, it's pretty impressive. It's just that the technology hasn't quite gotten us across the 'uncanny valley' yet, and some (but not all) people find that near miss a little less acceptable than a computer generated person who clearly doesn't match reality. Some people would prefer a crappy fake robot head or something to a computer generated face that's just 'off' enough to be noticeable. |
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Rylas, when you comment on Smallville you almost always miss the details or for some reason don't remember details from earlier that are presented. What I am commenting on is the plot from my understanding relies on something that makes no sense and isn't explained why.
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| The reason the gateway wasn't open pre-movie is he didn't have time to get this plan all together until after the gate closed... |
Yeah, Smallville is indefensible on most levels aside from the acting -- writing, FX, direction, it's all uniformly bad.
I'm not parading around using someone elses words. I clearly stated these things in the moves have been pointed out. My opinion is of what I think of those stated things that happen.
The reason why the gate way was not opened was because specifically there is only a certain amount of time that it is open once someone comes through. Apparently this CLU guy isn't smart enough to get his people together either before the guy comes through or while it's open.
If this is not the case then the only thing I can presume is that the disc opens and shuts it from inside, but then so what, just go out in to the world and station someone there to turn it on and off... it's already been shown they can communicate.
As far as "Tess being revealed as a Luthor" I have said nothing on the matter as far as I remember but that's besides the point. That is not a hole at all and there is nothing wrong with it from a technical point of view. There is a taste issue, but that is not what a plot hole is.
Oh and I will be watching Tron 2 soon as I can, but when that is i don't know. Doesn't mean that I can't comment on what has been said, which is what I'm doing.
PS: as far as the maturity of my Avatar image. I laugh, that's all that needs to be said about that oh Mature one with the Lost avatar.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
The reason why the gate way was not opened was because specifically there is only a certain amount of time that it is open once someone comes through. Apparently this CLU guy isn't smart enough to get his people together either before the guy comes through or while it's open. |
I keep thinking about the film and I keep thinking that I really need to go back and see it again in case I missed something. Still seeing a lot of mixed reviews between people on the movie although I am going to continue to tell people to go see it.
I am going to side step a little bit in this thread. IMAX is having a contest on Facebook to design a Tron: Legacy inspired Light cycle. Now entries have closed but it is in the voting phase which is the reason for this. Could you wonderful beings vote for my design, the Light Chopper? I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Ironik
...Apparently the "reviewer" you're quoting was either sound asleep or is the dumbest person on the face of the Earth to have said that...
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Originally Posted by Durakken
I am speaking of what is said of the movie. All that is required is to say I am wrong about the plot and it is a good plot is to say, and explain why CLU needs the item he is after the entire movie.
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| With the story holes, you expect some problems and over sites, but no where near what was described. The fact that there is a "club" in the movie shows that their is somewhat a lack of understanding of why the original movie was the way it was. Even without seeing it I can say that much. |
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Originally Posted by Durakken
I'm not parading around using someone elses words. I clearly stated these things in the moves have been pointed out. My opinion is of what I think of those stated things that happen.
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| Apparently this CLU guy isn't smart enough to get his people together either before the guy comes through or while it's open. |
| If this is not the case then the only thing I can presume is that the disc opens and shuts it from inside, but then so what, just go out in to the world and station someone there to turn it on and off... it's already been shown they can communicate. |
| Oh and I will be watching Tron 2 soon as I can, but when that is i don't know. Doesn't mean that I can't comment on what has been said, which is what I'm doing. |
***SPOILERS***
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Originally Posted by Durakken
I'm not parading around using someone elses words. I clearly stated these things in the moves have been pointed out. My opinion is of what I think of those stated things that happen.
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| The reason why the gate way was not opened was because specifically there is only a certain amount of time that it is open once someone comes through. Apparently this CLU guy isn't smart enough to get his people together either before the guy comes through or while it's open. |
| If this is not the case then the only thing I can presume is that the disc opens and shuts it from inside, but then so what, just go out in to the world and station someone there to turn it on and off... it's already been shown they can communicate. |
| As far as "Tess being revealed as a Luthor" I have said nothing on the matter as far as I remember but that's besides the point. That is not a hole at all and there is nothing wrong with it from a technical point of view. There is a taste issue, but that is not what a plot hole is. |
| Oh and I will be watching Tron 2 soon as I can, but when that is i don't know. |
| Doesn't mean that I can't comment on what has been said, which is what I'm doing. |
| PS: as far as the maturity of my Avatar image. I laugh, that's all that needs to be said about that oh Mature one with the Lost avatar. |
