Trapdoor now invincible
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Posted on: 2010-12-16 14:48 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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It's also what temps and inspirations are for. |
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
Agreed. Though he may be harder than before, it's still possible to kill each clone before he fully regenerates, and repeat until he is eventually dead. I'll agree that not all toons will be able to accomplish this, but like Tyranny_NA said, that's what teams are for. If you want to do everything solo, then you should already be on a toon that can actually solo... so there should be no problem.
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The tools are there for any solo toon to accomplish this, provided they've built to solo and provided they actually use those tools. Things like temp powers, empowerment buffs, and inspirations are all heavily neglected in this game, and often seen in a derogatory manner.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
I'm not saying that everyone can solo him. |
Esepecially with a envemoned dagger. He splits, throw a dagger at him, then go nuke the clone, then pound on him. even with a low damage toon, the added DPS of dagger (it does toxic damage, and hits pretty hard on its own) plus the -regen will really help out, and its super cheap on the market.
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I'll actually agree with this. On the other hand I think that anyone saying that all AT & power set combos can defeat Trapdoor solo with the current live build is full of themselves.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
I'm not saying that everyone can solo him. But to say that no one can solo him is total BS.
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lol.
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Originally Posted by snow globe
on the other hand i think that anyone saying that all at & power set combos can defeat trapdoor solo with the current live build is full of themselves.
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Envemoned dagger + 4 purple inspirations + 8 reds inspirations + whatever else you have in your inspiration tray. Kill the clones first and Trapdoor dies. The End.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
I'll actually agree with this. On the other hand I think that anyone saying that all AT & power set combos can defeat Trapdoor solo with the current live build is full of themselves.
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Hell, for that matter, 8 purples, 8 reds, 4 greens/blues, don't even bother with the dagger, eat the reds and purps 4 at a time, kill each clone as he spawns it, destroy him. If I can kill a clone in 4 hits, unbuffed, on my FF/nrg defender that gets no offense whatsoever from his primary and has the lowest damage scalar of any non-controller/MM AT (and neither of those should have any trouble with him), I fail to see where there would be any problem for *any* powerset combo of *any* at. Are people not taking/slotting their attacks? That's the only reason I could think of to be unable to kill him, and if so, well I think that'd be the problem right there.
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Originally Posted by Arbegla
Envemoned dagger + 4 purple inspirations + 8 reds inspirations + whatever else you have in your inspiration tray. Kill the clones first and Trapdoor dies. The End.
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I'll add my 2 cents.
I took Trapdoor out solo with two different characters: a L50 Stone/Electric brute and a L50 broadsword/willpower scrapper. Neither has purples or terribly expensive procs, but a good collection of IO sets.
The brute got him down about 40% before trapdoor turned up his regen. Pounded on him for a while, then ignored him and ran around killing a half dozen or more of his clones. I don't think he followed me. Went back and picked him right off. Presumably Seismic Smash was a big help here.
The scrapper couldn't hardly put a dent in him - lack of hold? I ran off to kill his first spawn and he followed, I killed it quick, went back to pounding on him. Rinse, repeat. At some point after I'd killed 4 or 5 clones I found I could take him out. Whether it was from knockdown interrupting his spawns or what, I don't know. I didn't have any holds.
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Between beta and live I've soloed this arc 40+ times with a wide variety of characters and have used a number of tactics to defeat him. I've passed the strategy to several friends by cut-and-paste in PMs and e-mails and the advice has worked for them, so I decided to go ahead and turn that document into a mini-guide...
Soloing Trapdoor
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Originally Posted by Dave_67
I'm wondering why the devs have gone out of their way over the past year or so to make just about everything more cumbersome, more difficult, and very unsolable? There might be some twisted logic in thinking that this is a good way to make the game more challenging. I, on the other hand, think that it may end up chasing players away - both old hands and newbie.
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Yes good argument. Xp smoothing from 40-50...more xp from 1-20, inherent fitness, IOs, alpha slot, epics at lvl 20.....I can totally see how the devs are making eveything harder. Oh and lets not forget how toggles power don't turn off when mezzed also. Evil evil devs...they so just gave us those super power IOs because the game is still balanced on So's...
How about....pop 6 reds, a brk free, 3 lucks, and go beat on trap door. Have solo'd him on about every type of toon.
OMG the arc to unlock our incarnate powers is hard? And I thought we would just get them all with no effort.
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To be honest, if u can't solo this arc, my question is should you be an incarnate in the 1st place?|
Originally Posted by Djeannie
So any AT that has issues should have to go and buy / gather temp powers because their AT sucks so bad they can't solo a mission meant to be soloable by everyone. Yeah that'll make you feel like an incarnate.
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I talked to a few friends about this arc, how i dislike that people can't seem to get this done. I had to come help a group of 5 to get past the Honoree mission. A GROUP OF 5!
I think that defenders should be the only ones to get one person to help out, and it should be a toon who has done the arc already.
Like i said...
Do you really consider yourself an incarnate if you can't unlock the slot alone?
Being an incarnate isn't special anymore.
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I've ran 5 of my defenders through this arc and didn't have a single problem soloing it.
Of my 5 defenders, the only one that had any issue was my Rad / Soic, and the only reason was I had no enhancements in her at the time, so even that was doable.
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Also, seriously, why the hell does a ranged henchmen insist on running up to the enemy and swatting him? WHY?
Anyway, I was surprised at how many people were having difficulty defeating him until i ran into this very situational problem.
Stalkerpwned with a tray of reds, using mostly SOs.
He's still not invincible.
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Nice work on the mini-guide. With time, and such advice, we'll end this nonsense about the mission being 'impossible'.
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Originally Posted by Kosmos
Between beta and live I've soloed this arc 40+ times with a wide variety of characters and have used a number of tactics to defeat him. I've passed the strategy to several friends by cut-and-paste in PMs and e-mails and the advice has worked for them, so I decided to go ahead and turn that document into a mini-guide...
Soloing Trapdoor |
So much silliness in this thread. Trapdoor is a bit tougher than your usual baddie, but he isn't impossible. Last night, I actually did it on a toon that failed the first time, a sonic/sonic/psychic defender.
For some reason, her hold never worked, even for an instant and so he just started cloning unabated and she just couldn't do enough damage. Plus, the bifurcates spawns were particularly annoying on that try and I couldn't even find one to take him out. I got down to where there was only one (I think), but she couldn't do enough damage to take him out. As the bifurcates started stacking up, I saw the writing on the wall and started over.
The second time, I ignored the hold, dropped a shivan, hit him with Envenomed Dagger and took the bifurcates as they showed. Game over in no time.
Not impossible. Harder than Clamor? Yes.
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Due to pc/laptop issues, I was only able to try the trapdoor mission for the first time last night on my ma/sr scrapper and got very frustrated. any advice?
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To be fair, though, I think you would have to be considered as a very experienced and knowledgeable player. It's like when someone posted (I think it was SnowGlobe) that GIVEN THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE (my emphasis), any AT and powerset can solo him.|
Originally Posted by Beef_Cake
I've ran 5 of my defenders through this arc and didn't have a single problem soloing it.
Of my 5 defenders, the only one that had any issue was my Rad / Soic, and the only reason was I had no enhancements in her at the time, so even that was doable. |
I would agree, but I also recognize that not everyone is aware of all the resources available. Certainly everyone knows about inspirations, but I've run into high level players who had seen Shivans but did not know how to get them and thought it must be really hard.
So, yes, given the resources available and given a skilled player, any AT can solo him. But not every player is knowledgeable and skilled. I can entirely understand how some players might not be able to solo him even if they're not AE babies.
Having said that, I DO NOT think he should be made weaker. The easiest solution is to get assistance. Someone posted on a global channel last night that their bubbler needed help. I got a blaster to help. So did two other people. As you can imagine, three bubbled blasters made short work of every enemy in the arc.
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My MA/SR is only 43 so I can't speak from experience. My MA/SR is built for crazy recharge, though, so I would just beat him down fast. That tactic worked fine for my BS/regen. He managed to get one bifurcation up, then died. (Okay, not die. He 'gave up' and I had to talk to him.)|
Originally Posted by Pogothulu
Due to pc/laptop issues, I was only able to try the trapdoor mission for the first time last night on my ma/sr scrapper and got very frustrated. any advice?
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If you can't beat him down that quickly, any scrapper should do enough damage to smack down each duplicate as it appears then go back to smacking Trapdoor.
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Thanks, Ironblade.
The first round on him I had no problem, then he cloned like crazy..But I havent played in a few months and I think I need a respec or two..Ill try again tonight or tomorrow.
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Here's a link to my advice again.|
Originally Posted by Pogothulu
Due to pc/laptop issues, I was only able to try the trapdoor mission for the first time last night on my ma/sr scrapper and got very frustrated. any advice?
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Since you're a /SR Scrapper the course that is most likely to work is to buy and crafted an Envenomed Dagger at the Consignment House, then buy a few inspirations from Ramiel before entering the mission. All you should need are 4 small reds, perhaps a purple if you're short of the Def cap and maybe a 2 or 3 greens for safety's sake. Those coupled with the Dagger should be plenty to simply walk up and bash him.
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I will try the dagger thing..never heard of it, must newish since I really havent played since september. But will make up for lost time going forward.
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This is to unlock the incarnate slot. The big super Elite power. It shouldn't be easy it shouldn't be something that just anyone can step up and do. It's something that needs to be planed for. Something that requires you to think to get. There are many ways to beat him and if someone can't figure out how thin they probably couldn't figure out how to use it ether.
Done this on several ATs now - some can solo him others can't.
Fire/Thorns Dom - Hold Trapdoor, kill clones kill Trapdoor - easy
Grav/Sonic troller - Ditto
Mind/Storm troller (Beta) Hold Trapdoor - what clones? - kill trapdoor - stupidly easy
Dark/Dark Corrupter - Couldn't perma hold him - kill clones, hit trapdoor once, hunt down new clone and kill it - hit Trapdoor once - repeat getting nowhere
Kin/Elec Def - Ditto
Widow - Couldn't hold Trapdoor - beat him down to half health - get two shotted through way over softcap def, repeat.
Definite pattern there - toons that can keep him perma held - easy even without insps or temp pets.
Everything else lots of work and pain.
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Wow!! That envenomed dagger made the difference! took him down faster than I could blink! Made the rest of the arc cakewalk too. Thanks again.
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I'm not saying that everyone can solo him. But to say that no one can solo him is total BS.
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