So, why are there no Richters?
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Posted on: 2010-11-10 13:59 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Vega
Was thinking about this. With Marcus Cole we have Statesman, Imperious, Tyrant, and Reichsman. According to the book, Marcus and Setffan encountered the well at the same time, so why do we have only one Steffan Richter (Lord Recluse) and so many Marcus Coles?
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The short short short short short short short short short short short Version is this:
- The other dimensions are not our dimension
- The other dimensions' time-lines are not our dimension's timelines
- The other dimensions' events are not our dimension's events
- There does not have to be an equal and opposite action and reaction for every event, every person, or every object.
- The laws of linear physics do not apply
Well, I think it might have something to do with Zeus being the top god, so any Incarnate of his would be the most powerful Incarnate, and would defeat any other Incarnate - like out of all the timelines where a Cole and a Richter have found the Well of the Furies, I don't think that Tyrant is the only time the Incarnate of Zeus has killed the Incarnate of Tartarus.
And even on Primal Earth, where Richter wasn't killed, he's still second best to Statesman.
Basically, I think that in any timeline where the Incarnate of Zeus goes bad, then the other Incarnates in that timeline are in big trouble.
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Originally Posted by Vega
Was thinking about this. With Marcus Cole we have Statesman, Imperious, Tyrant, and Reichsman. According to the book, Marcus and Setffan encountered the well at the same time, so why do we have only one Steffan Richter (Lord Recluse) and so many Marcus Coles?
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And all the evidence we have points to the fact that Statesman is the only Incarnate of Zeus who didn't go bad.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Basically, I think that in any timeline where the Incarnate of Zeus goes bad, then the other Incarnates in that timeline are in big trouble.
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Which makes us an anomaly of the most common denominators of each time line.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
And all the evidence we have points to the fact that Statesman is the only Incarnate of Zeus who didn't go bad.
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If you take the sum total of timelines as the core truth of reality, then ours is the one that's wrong.
Which means other time lines trying to "Fix" us may be justified.
Well, we know about how Tyrant killed Stefan Richter on Praetorian Earth and it is not really a stretch to assume that Reichsman did the same. (Has it been confirmed that this is true?) The only Stefan Richter we do not know about is his Cimeroran counterpart.
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If there are 100 people, and one of them is good, and the other 99 are evil, that doesn't mean the good person is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Which makes us an anomaly of the most common denominators of each time line.
If you take the sum total of timelines as the core truth of reality, then ours is the one that's wrong. |
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I think Imperious should be looked at as an ancestor/previous Incarnate rather than a direct parallel like Reichsman and Tyrant.
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Well, we know about how Tyrant killed Stefan Richter on Praetorian Earth and it is not really a stretch to assume that Reichsman did the same. (Has it been confirmed that this is true?) The only Stefan Richter we do not know about is his Cimeroran counterpart.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If there are 100 people, and one of them is good, and the other 99 are evil, that doesn't mean the good person is wrong.
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I'm pretty sure if I respond to this post, you and I are one step closer to being that couple.
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Have to disagree here. At least for now.|
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Which makes us an anomaly of the most common denominators of each time line.
If you take the sum total of timelines as the core truth of reality, then ours is the one that's wrong. Which means other time lines trying to "Fix" us may be justified. |
1 out of 3 (or is 4) timelines/dimensions, doesn't make an anomoly.
Unless it gets said specifically, that Statesman is the only one to be good, then it becomes something different.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
In Disneyland, in the Haunted Mansion, there are two portraits of gentleman dueling with guns. Every few seconds, one of them tries a new angle of shot in the hopes that they will finally land the killing blow. They don't realize that they've been fighting forever or that both of them are already dead. They are eternally passionate about ending this duel once and for all.
I'm pretty sure if I respond to this post, you and I are one step closer to being that couple. |
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But there's only ever going to be one winner
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The multiverse has a universe for every possible variable, they say, so there's an infinite number of universes in which Stefan lived, just as there are infinite in which he didn't.
Heck, there's even a universe in which Arachnos are the good guys, and Stefan is the ultimate hero with a name like... hmm... "Daddy Longleg!"
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Originally Posted by Tidbit Jr.
The multiverse has a universe for every possible variable, they say, so there's an infinite number of universes in which Stefan lived, just as there are infinite in which he didn't.
Heck, there's even a universe in which Arachnos are the good guys, and Stefan is the ultimate hero with a name like... hmm... "Daddy Longleg!" |
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I may have to design that in AE, now XD
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Well, Portal Corp. claims that we are 'Primal Earth' because as far as they can tell, our universe is a nexus of connections between alternate universes. So, for example, while the Rikti can travel between dimensions (eg, to attack us), the number of dimensions they can reach from their home dimension is a fraction of the number of dimensions we can reach from Primal Earth.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Have to disagree here. At least for now.
1 out of 3 (or is 4) timelines/dimensions, doesn't make an anomoly. Unless it gets said specifically, that Statesman is the only one to be good, then it becomes something different. |
That doesn't answer the question of whether Statesman is an aberration or the other versions are, but it does single our dimension out from the rest.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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... I may have to design that in AE, now XD |
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Weaver
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Not only has it never been confirmed, its never been hinted at. Reichsman only "led the Amerika Korps, an elite super powered hero organization that helped preserve Nazi rule over the former United States," he isn't the top dog in his universe. Stefan seems like a strong contender for Fuhrer given his Austrian heritage.
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Well, we know about how Tyrant killed Stefan Richter on Praetorian Earth and it is not really a stretch to assume that Reichsman did the same. (Has it been confirmed that this is true?)
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Well, we know about how Tyrant killed Stefan Richter on Praetorian Earth and it is not really a stretch to assume that Reichsman did the same. (Has it been confirmed that this is true?) The only Stefan Richter we do not know about is his Cimeroran counterpart.
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With Nemsie's help obviously!
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Cause you know hes the only one in Arachnos that can use Weaver in his name, oh wait....
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
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That's an AE arc right there. |
Originally Posted by Tidbit Jr.
The multiverse has a universe for every possible variable, they say, so there's an infinite number of universes in which Stefan lived, just as there are infinite in which he didn't.
Heck, there's even a universe in which Arachnos are the good guys, and Stefan is the ultimate hero with a name like... hmm... "Daddy Longleg!" |
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Did I miss Imperious being evil somewhere?
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Originally Posted by Ironik
And all the evidence we have points to the fact that Statesman is the only Incarnate of Zeus who didn't go bad.
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Yes it does. The majority is always right. For example Emperor Cole's side is the majority in Praetoria and they are obviously the right side.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If there are 100 people, and one of them is good, and the other 99 are evil, that doesn't mean the good person is wrong.
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And the one example I gave trumps anything reasonable or real you can come up with. Now excuse me while I put my fingers in my ears and start yelling so I can't listen anymore.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Well, Portal Corp. claims that we are 'Primal Earth' because as far as they can tell, our universe is a nexus of connections between alternate universes. So, for example, while the Rikti can travel between dimensions (eg, to attack us), the number of dimensions they can reach from their home dimension is a fraction of the number of dimensions we can reach from Primal Earth.
That doesn't answer the question of whether Statesman is an aberration or the other versions are, but it does single our dimension out from the rest. |
Was thinking about this. With Marcus Cole we have Statesman, Imperious, Tyrant, and Reichsman. According to the book, Marcus and Setffan encountered the well at the same time, so why do we have only one Steffan Richter (Lord Recluse) and so many Marcus Coles?
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