So, why are there no Richters?
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Posted on: 2010-11-10 13:59 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Impossible, or just improbable? | This is not true. In the simplest terms, infinity does not make impossible things possible[...] |
There's always the chance that most of the heat in a pole moves to one end simply due to its random motion, and the other half is pretty much emptied out, but the odds of that are so unimaginably low that it's not worth betting on.
I had a very ... imaginitive physics teacher.
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I would. Only ... he's a dick in EVERY universe... |
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I think you should judge people by their own actions and their own words, not the collective actions of their dimensional counterparts...
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And re the rest of the Infinite stuff? I always go by Douglas Adams' quote for that: In an infinite universe, anything, even the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, is possible.
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Given how many other Half Life nods there are in this game, I'd say he's simply... Gman. |
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Mr. G is primarily an homage to the G Man of Half Life 2, which is something confirmed at the Comic Con Meet 'n' Greet.
He may also be a mirror of a Primal character, but I doubt it. |
He doesn't hang out in Lambda Sector though.
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This is an excellent example. Maxwell's Demon flipping out and sending all of the heat randomly to one end of a macroscopic object is highly unlikely, but not impossible. In an simple infinite-universes multiverse, there will be an infinite number of them where that has happened; however, if you're picking randomly a finite number of universes to check, you might never see one, because the "density" of the universes with the property you are looking for is very low. (Your chances are probably significantly higher of finding a universe where heat flow is regulated by actual demons, and a demon-summoning mastermind was screwing with people's physics experiments...)|
Originally Posted by Tidbit Jr.
Impossible, or just improbable?
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Of course, there are more complicated variations; what if something is infinitesimally unlikely, but the number of universes in the multiverse is actually a higher-order infinity? What if your widget can check a countably infinite subset of the available universes, but not a higher order? (More generally, if the multiverse has cardinality beth-two, but conventional means of dimensional travel can only index via a beth-one mechanism, what are your odds of finding an occurrence of a unlikely event with probability approximated by 1/beth-null? My understanding of complicated infinities breaks down somewhere in here. Intuition would seem to indicate you could find one easily, as the search mechanism is strictly more powerful than the unlikeliness mechanism.)
Does the continuum hypothesis hold in the CoH multiverse? Worse yet, is it possible for one of the differences between alternate universes in the CoH multiverse being that in some of them the continuum hypothesis is true, and in some it is false?
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Which makes it sound like Mr. G has a Primal Earth counterpart.
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As mentioned, there's also the possibility that the multiverse isn't infinite.
Ponder: The multiverse consists of every *possible* action.
It is entirely possible that every possible action, every possible event, is a finite set. (it would be a HUMONGOUS set, but it could still theoretically be finite).
That of course assumes that each universe is unique (if only because of the position of a single subatomic particle) which isn't neccessarily true of course...
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If there is one just for every difference in particle, you already can have infinite. A particle may be rotated 1/10000000000 of a degree to the left. Another one that seems exactly the same may be one ... one googlth(?) less or more rotated.| That of course assumes that each universe is unique (if only because of the position of a single subatomic particle) which isn't neccessarily true of course... |
As the lawyers say, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
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Think about what all IS possible in the City of Universe and that's is conceptual basis is that the impossible IS possible, and I think what you have is pretty much infinite impossibility.
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Originally Posted by Arilou
As mentioned, there's also the possibility that the multiverse isn't infinite.
Ponder: The multiverse consists of every *possible* action. It is entirely possible that every possible action, every possible event, is a finite set. (it would be a HUMONGOUS set, but it could still theoretically be finite). That of course assumes that each universe is unique (if only because of the position of a single subatomic particle) which isn't neccessarily true of course... |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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If I recall my Quantum Theory correctly, just about every possibility can exist in the infinite branching outcomes of human behavior. Some alternate realities are supposed to closely resemble ours where few things are changed and there are other realities where things can be so radically different that we'd likely never be able to recognize it.
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"Pretty much" infinite and "infinite" are different.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Think about what all IS possible in the City of Universe and that's is conceptual basis is that the impossible IS possible, and I think what you have is pretty much infinite impossibility.
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Indeed, there's an infinite difference between them
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The entire thing here is "possibility". It is entirely possible that the number of possible configurations is finite.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
If I recall my Quantum Theory correctly, just about every possibility can exist in the infinite branching outcomes of human behavior. Some alternate realities are supposed to closely resemble ours where few things are changed and there are other realities where things can be so radically different that we'd likely never be able to recognize it.
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Doesn't the presence of magic in the CoX multiverse pretty much negate any talk about RL possibilities?
True magic and the will of gods exist within CoX and through them the impossible can be made possible.
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That depends largely on what "type" of magic and gods CoH has. Magic can have rules and not all gods are omnipotent.
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Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
Doesn't the presence of magic in the CoX multiverse pretty much negate any talk about RL possibilities?
True magic and the will of gods exist within CoX and through them the impossible can be made possible. |
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Yep... Earth-42
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So somewhere there's a universe of furry versions of all the signature characters?
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There also used to be a supergroup called the Feline Phalanx. Statesmeow, Pawsitron, etc. The group was made to celebrate one of COH's anniversaries, I think... otherwise that might have been the Mini-Freedom Phalanx.|
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That feels like so long ago...
You guys need to read more Bugtown. And Amber. We CHOOSE the outcome of the possibilities in each universe because this is fictional. I'm not saying IN REALITY there is an infinite number of monkeys on typewriters plugging out Shakespeare but I am saying that if you can imagine it and give it context (a furry Statesman) there IS a version in this fictional multiverse. of course there is. Why wouldn't there be? A world where everyone's furry? That's not even remotely new.
Those Annoying Post Bros "reality shift" - they can move from one version to another, of any given universe, and theirs ARE infinite. Enough so that they can change from one where you're threatening them with a pipe wrench and return from a universe where you're holding a banana - and there's the banana in your hand instead. So... yeah. read more fun comics like TAPB and Bugtown because... they already know.
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If you take the sum total of timelines as the core truth of reality, then ours is the one that's wrong.
Which means other time lines trying to "Fix" us may be justified.
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