Discussion: First look at the Incarnate system on the Going Rogue website!

I plan on picking up conserve power, from the epic pools if I need endurance help, so there are options to help with endurance. Also, I don't feel weak teaming with others using SO's compared to IO's, and if they are using set bonuses, that might not be efficient if exemplared down. So the situations where an avatar is built with IO sets bonuses that can take advantage of is rare from my view. As for incarnates, there is a possibility that you can obtain shards at level 50 from mobs, so we have yet to see all the details yet.

I do agree that without IO's that it would be difficult to slot for fun enhancements using just SO's.

Yes, back on topic, sorry all for the bickering. Just get annoyed when people try to stop others from posting their opinions, just cause they disagree. You can disagree and state that, but to tell anyone to keep their opinion to there self is ignorant. Especially in a place meant to share ideas and opinions. If you cannot handle reading opinions you don't agree with, then a forum is not a place you should frequent.

I believe the mods would mostly agree with the above!

I will not be bickering the flames on this post either!

Again, sorry to get off topic.

Right so looking at it again.

That 'any two rare' cost for the very rare abilities could suggest that two 'rare' level Incarnate abilities are need to craft the 'very rare' Incarnate ability.

So it looks like you'll probably:

1)craft a common one by using the basic TF salvage.

2) Then create a second common one and use those two to upgrade that to uncommon.

3) Then do create another lot of TFs to create two common ones, craft those two to make a second uncommon one then craft the two uncommon ones together to get a rare one.

4) Go through the whole process (two commons, two uncommons, a rare) again to make a second rare incarnate ability and then finally get the very-rare Incarnate ability.

So you're looking at a considerable investment in time and Taskforces to get the 'very-rare' as it should be.

Though that brings in the question, where does upgrading the salvage come in to it?

The other thing I noticed on deeper inspection was that the salvage seems to be related to a specific path, namely since the Penumbra of Rularuu has "The emanations from Rularuu's Willforges can channel Alpha Incarnate abilities which affect body and bone" as its description.

So that could mean if you want to go down the +damage boost path you're going to need to defeat the Aspect of Rularuu at some point, which would just suck since it's the only non-8 man content out of the entire selection.

Edit: Though if memory serves me correctly the Gr'ai Matter served as a 'wild card' salvage and counted for any other type of incarnate salvage.

That was my concern and gripe. For those who don't have time for tf's, the whole incarnate feature seems pretty out of reach and therefore a "meh" feature. Some said tf's are not the only way to get there, but I can't imagine the time it will take to aquire things not doing tf's. For someone that only plays a few hours a week, it SEEMS so far from what folks are saying, that you will not be getting to enjoy this new feature really.

So to us casual's....we'll still be left asking when end-game content, that we all can enjoy, will be added.

That actually is quite a good point, the Incarnate abilities are pretty much designed for the Incarnate content that is coming up.

Now as it stands for fully IO'd out purpled up mother lovers of characters, the Alpha slot adds very little, especially for scrappers/tankers/Brutes (stalkers will probably get more out of it) they will make you slightly more survivable and slightly more damaging than you were before, if your character is still using SOs then they represent a HUGE bonus.

As I mentioned before my softcapped to all but Psi invuln/SS tanker won't get much out of the Alpha slot, a little bit more defense isn't really needed, Rage is already perma so I'm not to fussed on the Recharge front, Dull Pain is rarely used and only in the most dire of emergencies (which I have unstoppable for as well) so the only thing that would do much benefit is the damage boost.

Also the Incarnate abilities are designed to have wide appeal, as such there's none that offer dedicated bonuses to purely melee types (no +damage/+defense/+resistance). Admittedly some sets, like Fire armour will make like a Bandit from the +recharge/+heal incarnate abilities and Granite will always love the additional recharge.

Side note:

Since most of my SS powers are four slotted with either Smashing Haymaker or Kinetic Combat (for the smashing/lethal defense bonus) they're quite low on the damage scale, which means I'll probably get the full 45% damage bonus for when I eventually work my way up to very rare so Damage really does provide the best utility.

Good point! I said before, how powerful do we need to be? Some of my decked out toons have no trouble with anything already.

I am just still let down that end content finally gets attention and it is mostly tf oriented, which for me don't mean much, cause I don't have comitted time usually for tf's.

Oh well! Lol

So, wait...wow! From what I'm reading on this site, there's an enhancement that boosts both accuracy AND defense in powers?

That means people could pull a slot or two from any attack power that isn't giving them a specific full set bonus they need and put it somewhere else, and that they don't have to slot all the way to the ED barrier for defense buffs before factoring in IO bonuses.

Now, granted people are probably right that a big boost like this won't work in lower content, but I do remember reading something before GR came out that it doesn't exemplar, but is still useful in everything that you can do at 50. Was probably in the GR beta forums though.

I wonder just how much extra damage those top-tier Muscular boosts will really add when coupled with an ED-capped attack chain, what with 2/3 bypassing ED. That's not even considering the other bonuses to other aspects, and Musculature Radial Paragon looks like it's tailored specifically for those people that were complaining about Elec Control having subpar damage what with altering Damage, Immob, and Endmod in powers. My Elec/Elec dominator will probably LOVE that one.

This is a real game-changer. Small-scale, but the possibilities are astounding already!

On the Incarnate (Alpha) system (presuming things stay the same as in the i18/GR beta):

• It is specifically designed for, and only will work with, end-game content. That means any lvl 50 mission or TF.
• Any lvl 50 mob has a chance to drop a shard. The chance to drop is higher for bosses, EBs and AVs
• The chance to drop was determined to be roughly equivalent to rare salvage drops
• You do not have to run any TFs to craft the Alpha slot abilities. TFs drop a specific piece of incarnate salvage, and thus can help you get to where you want quicker, but you can craft those salvage pieces with 4 (IIRC) shards.
• Due to these mechanics, a casual player can unlock the alpha slot (soloable mish), continue to run content as before, and can craft a common ability in a "relatively" short amount of time. Crafting the uncommon, rare and ultra-rare abilities will require more time, just like "purple-/IO-ing out" a character currently takes more time for a casual player. This is as it should be.
• This system is extremely solo-/casual-friendly compared to other MMOs. This is also as it should be.

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Originally Posted by RoleplayerX Read what I wrote again - I am specifically referring to powers like "heal." Yes, there are lots of powers that can help with endurance recovery and some that let you steal endurance from your target(s), but I'm not aware of a single power that is just a "click and recover" power like a regen scrapper's heals or an empath's heals.

Overall, you tend to get more use out of a long-term recovery boost power, than a short-term "endurance heal", especially if we're talking about a (theoretical) single-target power. Just about the only situation in which a "end-heal" would be more useful than a rec boost is when dealing with end-sapping foes (like sappers). However, given that anyone can carry a blue or two for those situations, I don't think people would like that type of "end-heal" power as much as you think. Now if there were an auto-hit all teammates version...

Ty Hallowed, very simple clear info! Seems a bit better than I gathered.....tho everyone seems to have different info! Lol (ie: someone said incarnate abilities will only function during special incarnate content)

Still tho....if reaching the full potential is comparable to purple io'ing out a toon, some of us will still maybe never achieve this. I do understand they don't wanna make it easy.....but like purple io'ing out a toon, would take me a year to do this....which for purples, I never felt the need, considering the time vs payoff.

Tough is a power pool ability available to all characters at level 14. Temp Invuln is a power available to one powerset and to only certain ATs at as an APP in their 40s.

Why would you expect them to be equal?