Incarnates - Alpha Slot
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-11-09 11:33 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
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I'm a simple kitten from the back alleys of King's Row. The only solace I find is that I'll be able to serve The Great Mother more fully once I have mastered the Incarnate levels. Blessed be the Name of The Great Mother! |
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Well, I don't think you'll be able to send them in the mail to your alts, either, since they're non-tradable. Get used to the TFs or to the grind.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
What bothers me is if your unwilling or unable to run a few of the more difficult TF's is that you are going to need a grinder character to grind shard.
Trying to grind out purples with anything less than an aoe monster that can fast solo +1 x 8 is painful at its best. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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The only "grind" is if you feel the need to get the stuff as fast as possible - just doing normal 50 content at a normal pace will get you it.
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Originally Posted by BenRGamer
Well, I don't think you'll be able to send them in the mail to your alts, either, since they're non-tradable. Get used to the TFs or to the grind.
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@Golden Girl
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I hope that there is an Incarnate 'O' which will let me give better heals more often. The 20% range effect is -- literally -- a Goddess send! My arm's length isn't exactly the greatest! 
Of all my powers, the ability to heal other peeps means the most to me and makes me feel closest to The Great Mother!
Green Flame FTW! 
[EDIT: Apparently the 'Spiritual' series of Incarnate-O's will give me +33% to Healing and Recharge Rate! YAY! I hope I'll be able to mix-and-match Incarnate-O's so that I can benefit from the END reducers and range extenders in 'Cardiac' as well.]
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Awesome. Im excited.
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What if you've already been there/done that?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The only "grind" is if you feel the need to get the stuff as fast as possible - just doing normal 50 content at a normal pace will get you it.
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I don't mind repeating content. I do it with every new alt. What I don't like is doing the same stuff over again on a character that's done it already. That's why I can't farm worth a damn, even if I get it in my head to try. So, for my 50s that have played through all the available level 50 stuff - is there going to be enough NEW level 50 stuff for them to get anywhere with this?
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Not in I19, no |
Originally Posted by Flarstux
What if you've already been there/done that?
I don't mind repeating content. I do it with every new alt. What I don't like is doing the same stuff over again on a character that's done it already. That's why I can't farm worth a damn, even if I get it in my head to try. So, for my 50s that have played through all the available level 50 stuff - is there going to be enough NEW level 50 stuff for them to get anywhere with this? |
@Golden Girl
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Although I'm interested in picking up these new slots, I'm not encouraged with the hints about the related story content. Lots of TFs and trials. I don't do those. Normally I'm pretty much done with a character at 50. Playing solo friendly content related to the Incarnate system would be fun. Playing ordinary content at level 50 to get the slots (and stuff to put in the slots) just so I could do ordinary content slightly faster doesn't sound like much fun.
So I'm not getting my hopes up. But as usual I'll ask for the new TF maps and NPCs to be added to the Mission Architect, so I can make my own missions using them.
The Incarnate Slot we getting in I20 seem to be an AOE Damage Attack, Hope we can pick form Statesman AOE Thunder Attack.
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There are Incarnate Tf also like Alpha Strike and Tin Mage, I was told they be much tougher and We be needing The Incarnate Slots to stay Alive in it.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
Although I'm interested in picking up these new slots, I'm not encouraged with the hints about the related story content. Lots of TFs and trials. I don't do those. Normally I'm pretty much done with a character at 50. Playing solo friendly content related to the Incarnate system would be fun. Playing ordinary content at level 50 to get the slots (and stuff to put in the slots) just so I could do ordinary content slightly faster doesn't sound like much fun.
So I'm not getting my hopes up. But as usual I'll ask for the new TF maps and NPCs to be added to the Mission Architect, so I can make my own missions using them. |
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yeah Im pruning myself of all my characters that cant be turned into aoe farming monsters.
I think as the content gets harder we are going to need to be heavily io'd and have at least some purpling anyway
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Assuming the Musculature Core Paragon (which provides 45% DMG, instead of the 33% of the M.Radial Paragon)...|
Originally Posted by Neogumbercules
So just for example how much damage would Scrapper Smite do with 3 SOs plus the Musculature top tier damage enhancement?
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Scrapper Smite at 50 does 90.8 DMG base.
3 SOs = 99.9 pre-ED/94.98 post-ED
2/3rds of the Core Paragon ignores ED.
45 x 2/3 = 30
ED calculation: 95 + (0.15 × (E - 100))
(95 + (0.15 x ((99.9 + 15) - 100))) + 30
(95 + (0.15 x (114.9 - 100))) + 30
(95 + (0.15 x 14.9)) +30
(95 + 2.235) + 30
97.235 + 30
127.235
This boosts Smite up to doing 206.33 damage. Which is about 30 points (29.23) of damage more than just 3 SOs.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Two of them have laurels. Two of them have spikes. That makes two varieties. Currently, there are two Incarnates: Zeus and Tartarus. It makes perfect sense.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
The website doesn't show all the icons in progression from common to very rare. The uncommon upgrades adds a ring. The other upgrades add more laurel leaves. Here they are:
Spiritual:     Nerve:     Musculature:     Cardiac:     |
Character index
Any word about mids getting updated with incarnate goodness?
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From what I've heard Cole has some kind of superweapon that attacks non-incarnates. I suspect you'll be subject to some kind of nasty debuff or damage if you don't have your Alpha Slot slotted.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
We're not questioning the existence of the content, we're questioning the devs claim that the content is balanced around having the incarnate slot. Supposedly it's going to be extremely difficult to do without the Alpha slot and frankly I don't believe it (although if that is the case I will happily eat my words). I just don't see the small bonuses and the level shift making enough of a difference to allow content to be balanced such that it is completable by a decent team that has the Alpha boosts but not by the same team without the boosts.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Actually the implication that it'll be relatively hard to do is appealing to me. I'm not assuming I'm going to have all the "incarnate toys" the day I19 goes live. But if it introduces a new dynamic that'll keep me interested in playing for an extended period of time it'll be a goal worth the effort.
Besides who wants to be a god in one day anyway. |
Well said!
Thelonious Monk
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Pure new content does not require Incarnates to exist. The Incarnate system is just that - a system. It's not too much different from levelling up or gaining experience. You don't do a story arc to "earn" level 50, you just gather enough experience, with story arcs along the way divided into level ranges. That's how you should view Incarnates - as a system of more levels, an extended level cap, as it were. Don't look at it as new stories resulting in Incarnate stuff, but rather look at it as levelling up WHILE doing new stories, where available.|
Originally Posted by Flarstux
I don't mind repeating content. I do it with every new alt. What I don't like is doing the same stuff over again on a character that's done it already. That's why I can't farm worth a damn, even if I get it in my head to try. So, for my 50s that have played through all the available level 50 stuff - is there going to be enough NEW level 50 stuff for them to get anywhere with this?
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That said, unless this changed, you were actually encouraged to do all the existing level 50 tasks, as well as the new ones to come. Incarnate boosts take many different components, and each 50 task gave out a different component.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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You really should be using ++ SOs, as any self-respecting SOd 50 will have upgraded his to ++ by just buying his enhancements three times. I'd do the calculation for commons, but ParagonWiki seems to be down and I don't remember the enhancement percentages.|
Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
3 SOs = 99.9 pre-ED/94.98 post-ED
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Or do I? A basic level 50 Schedule A common is 42.4% enhancement. The very rare damage enhancement is 45%, two thirds of which skip ED, so that's 30% unaffected and 15% affected. With three level 50 commons and that, you have:
3*42.4 + 15 = 127.2 + 15 = 142.2%.
That's over the highest ED cap, so its ED calculation is:
95 + (0.15*(142.2 - 100)) = 95 + (0.15*42.2) = 95 + 6.33 = 101.33%
Together with the extra 30% unaffected, that's a total of 131.33% enhancement. Smite for a level 50 Scrapper deals 82.58. With enhancement, that's:
82.58*(100% + 131.33%) = 82.58*231.33% ~ 191.03 damage enhanced with this thing.
Without the added Incarnate thing, Smite's damage enhancement, post ED, would come to:
95 + (0.15*(127.2 - 100)) = 95 + 0.15*27.2 = 95+ 4.08 = 99.08.
At Smite's base of 82.58 and enhancement value of 99.08%, that's a total of:
82.58*(100% + 99.08%) = 82.58*199.08% = 164.4 damage total.
So, yes, you get around 30-ish points more damage, but Smite is one of Dark Melee's weaker attacks, so the difference in direct damage does not look great. However, the difference in enhancement is significant, at 231.33% - 199.08% = 32.25%. That's basically an entire extra base-level SO in every power that does damage over your entire character, which is no small thing.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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1. Roll A-merits.|
Originally Posted by blueruckus
Yeah, I understand. I've got about 1250 merits sitting in the bank waiting for something to do and I was hoping I would just be able to bang out the Alpha Slot stuff with them. Guess they'll just continue to sit there.
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While I'm extremely overly excited about this. I'm frankly rather disappointed with the fact that the alpha slot does not work if exemplared. I'm one of the people who exemp down a LOT on my high level toons to do task forces and the such. The fact that the Alpha Slot doesn't exemp down with you means that I can't particularly tweak my build or enhancements around having the Alpha slot, since for the most part, I won't even have access to it.
For me, it kinda makes that slot lose a lot of it's possible uses and makes it really hard for me to incorporate it in my builds. It'll be kinda like "icing on the cake" after I finish my builds for when I'm doing level 50 content (I'd think it'll be quite a bit helpful on Shard TFs..even though the hardest one of them caps at 44 and no Encarnate slots there lol). But nothing to actually "build around", unless I sometime plan specifically to build like an AV killer or something.
Don't get me wrong I'm excited about it, I'm just saying that it not being exemplare-able limits it's usability by a lot to me. Sure there will be new content to run at level 50, and more to come with each upcoming issue, but that really won't stop me from doing the older content..especially when helping peeps getting their TFC accolade and the such.
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Good thing we have multiple builds now we can swap at any trainer. One can be optimized with the Alpha in mind, and one can be configured for exemplaring.|
Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
The fact that the Alpha Slot doesn't exemp down with you means that I can't particularly tweak my build or enhancements around having the Alpha slot, since for the most part, I won't even have access to it.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Good thing we have multiple builds now we can swap at any trainer. One can be optimized with the Alpha in mind, and one can be configured for exemplaring.
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Yeah I know that, But when you're looking at high-end builds with multi-billion costs in inf, that's a bit too hard to really implement. At least for me, I don't roll in the inf. Every toon I IO out takes many weeks of grinding merits/tickets/inf/drops to be able to afford it. Having to do that again on every toon is touching on crazy for me. Since I'd much rather spend my inf IOing out new, different, toons to use than dishing it out to create the extra Exemplare friendly/50-only build on a toon that already does pretty good in both to begin with. Which brings me back to the same point. Alpha Slot being not exemplare-able makes it simply an icing on the cake for me instead of something to actually build around.
This, of course, is all at current time. I might change my playstyle in the future or something, I don't know. but as it stands, that's how it is for me.
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I'm a simple kitten from the back alleys of King's Row.
The only solace I find is that I'll be able to serve The Great Mother more fully once I have mastered the Incarnate levels.
Blessed be the Name of The Great Mother!
AMERIKATT: Star of Stage, Screen, and Saturday morning cartoons! (Art by Psygon and ChristopherRobin)
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